---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/13/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Re: Fw: (Phillips, Jack) 2. 07:36 AM - Re: Fw: (Rick Holland) 3. 08:00 AM - Re: Fw: (Barry Davis) 4. 08:13 AM - Re: Fw: (Phillips, Jack) 5. 08:36 AM - Re: Fw: (Barry Davis) 6. 11:17 AM - Thanks for your help. (Robison) 7. 11:20 AM - Lumber Dimensions () 8. 11:52 AM - Re: Lumber Dimensions (Phillips, Jack) 9. 12:12 PM - Re: Lumber Dimensions (DJ Vegh) 10. 03:35 PM - Re: Lumber Dimensions (Glenn Thomas) 11. 03:56 PM - Re: blood pressure medication (Glenn Thomas) 12. 05:56 PM - Chuck Gantzer Flying Video (Robison) 13. 09:23 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer Flying Video (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: From: "Phillips, Jack" Scott, Where did you get that drawing for the wing fittings? Doesn't look like the one that my Don Pietenpol plans show. Mine were just straight straps with rounded ends, and yes, there are a total of 16 required (four for each spar end). Half of the fittings will need to be installed with spacers to offset them so the spars can line up - I added extra plywood doublers under my centersection fittings. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robison !! > Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Please post to the Pietenpol list 2) Scott Robison 3) robison@mchsi.com 4) Help-Confusion on wing spar fittings. 5) Hello everyone. I'm new to the list and new to airplane building and I need some direction. How many wing spar fittings do I need? The plans say 4 each with and without tabs for front and rear spar. Does this mean that there are 16 required? I'm confused. I've attached a copy of the plans for these fittings. 6-x) Description of photo: Plans for wing spar fittings. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:12 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: VGhvc2UgYXJlIEdOLTEgZml0dGluZ3MuIEFzIGEgUGlldCBzbm9iIHdvdWxkIHNheSAibm90IGEg J3JlYWwnIFBpZXQiLgoKT24gMTIvMTMvMDUsIFBoaWxsaXBzLCBKYWNrIDxKYWNrLlBoaWxsaXBz QGNhcmRpbmFsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4KPiAgU2NvdHQsCj4KPgo+Cj4gV2hlcmUgZGlkIHlvdSBn ZXQgdGhhdCBkcmF3aW5nIGZvciB0aGUgd2luZyBmaXR0aW5ncz8gIERvZXNuJ3QgbG9vayBsaWtl Cj4gdGhlIG9uZSB0aGF0IG15IERvbiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wgcGxhbnMgc2hvdy4gIE1pbmUgd2VyZSBq dXN0IHN0cmFpZ2h0IHN0cmFwcwo+IHdpdGggcm91bmRlZCBlbmRzLCBhbmQgeWVzLCB0aGVyZSBh cmUgYSB0b3RhbCBvZiAxNiByZXF1aXJlZCAoZm91ciBmb3IgZWFjaAo+IHNwYXIgZW5kKS4gIEhh bGYgb2YgdGhlIGZpdHRpbmdzIHdpbGwgbmVlZCB0byBiZSBpbnN0YWxsZWQgd2l0aCBzcGFjZXJz IHRvCj4gb2Zmc2V0IHRoZW0gc28gdGhlIHNwYXJzIGNhbiBsaW5lIHVwIJYgSSBhZGRlZCBleHRy YSBwbHl3b29kIGRvdWJsZXJzIHVuZGVyCj4gbXkgY2VudGVyc2VjdGlvbiBmaXR0aW5ncy4KPgo+ Cj4KPiBKYWNrIFBoaWxsaXBzCj4KPiBOWDg5OUpQCj4KPiAiSWNhcnVzIFBsdW1tZXQiCj4KPgo+ Cj4KPgo+IC0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0KPgo+ICpGcm9tOiogUm9iaXNvbiA8 cm9iaXNvbkBtY2hzaS5jb20+Cj4KPiAqVG86KiBTY290dCBMIFJvYmlzb24gPHJvYmlzb25AbWNo c2kuY29tPgo+Cj4gKlNlbnQ6KiBUdWVzZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciAxMywgMjAwNSAxMjo1MCBBTQo+ Cj4KPgo+ICAgISEgPT0+IFBsZWFzZSBpbmNsdWRpbmcgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZyBpbmZvcm1hdGlv biB3aXRoIGVhY2ggc3VibWlzc2lvbjoKPgo+Cj4KPiAxKSBQbGVhc2UgcG9zdCB0byB0aGUgUGll dGVucG9sIGxpc3QKPgo+Cj4gMikgU2NvdHQgUm9iaXNvbgo+Cj4KPiAzKSByb2Jpc29uQG1jaHNp LmNvbQo+Cj4KPiA0KSBIZWxwLUNvbmZ1c2lvbiBvbiB3aW5nIHNwYXIgZml0dGluZ3MuCj4KPgo+ ICA1KSBIZWxsbyBldmVyeW9uZS4gSSdtIG5ldyB0byB0aGUgbGlzdCBhbmQgbmV3IHRvIGFpcnBs YW5lIGJ1aWxkaW5nIGFuZCBJCj4gbmVlZCBzb21lIGRpcmVjdGlvbi4gIEhvdyBtYW55IHdpbmcg c3BhciBmaXR0aW5ncyBkbyBJIG5lZWQ/ICBUaGUgcGxhbnMgc2F5Cj4gNCBlYWNoIHdpdGggYW5k IHdpdGhvdXQgdGFicyBmb3IgZnJvbnQgYW5kIHJlYXIgc3Bhci4gRG9lcyB0aGlzIG1lYW4gdGhh dAo+IHRoZXJlIGFyZSAxNiByZXF1aXJlZD8gIEknbSBjb25mdXNlZC4gIEkndmUgYXR0YWNoZWQg YSBjb3B5IG9mIHRoZSBwbGFucyBmb3IKPiB0aGVzZSBmaXR0aW5ncy4KPgo+Cj4gIDYteCkgRGVz Y3JpcHRpb24gb2YgcGhvdG86ICAgUGxhbnMgZm9yIHdpbmcgc3BhciBmaXR0aW5ncy4KPgoKCgot LQpSaWNrIEhvbGxhbmQK ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:03 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: You are using the Grega GN-1 plans. You need 8 total. One on each side of the center section spar ( front & rear) and on each end for a tolal of 8. (two spars) Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Robison To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: ----- Original Message ----- From: Robison To: Scott L Robison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:50 AM !! > Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Please post to the Pietenpol list 2) Scott Robison 3) robison@mchsi.com 4) Help-Confusion on wing spar fittings. 5) Hello everyone. I'm new to the list and new to airplane building and I need some direction. How many wing spar fittings do I need? The plans say 4 each with and without tabs for front and rear spar. Does this mean that there are 16 required? I'm confused. I've attached a copy of the plans for these fittings. 6-x) Description of photo: Plans for wing spar fittings. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: From: "Phillips, Jack" No, but they fly as well or better. The first "Piet" I flew back in 1976 was a GN-1 and it was a very nice flying airplane. At that time I didn't know the difference between the GN-1 and the Air Camper and that plane was a big influence in my decision to build a Pietenpol. Only years after I had started building my Pietenpol did I realize that the plane I flew back then was a Grega. I've been hanging around on the RV-10 list lately since I'm considering building one of those next year. Man, what a bunch of whiners! Makes me really appreciate the difference between plans-builders and kit-builders. Whether you are building a Grega or a Pietenpol, you are still doing something that fewer and fewer people these days seem to be able (or willing) to do. Keep makin' sawdust! Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Those are GN-1 fittings. As a Piet snob would say "not a 'real' Piet". On 12/13/05, Phillips, Jack < Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com > wrote: Scott, Where did you get that drawing for the wing fittings? Doesn't look like the one that my Don Pietenpol plans show. Mine were just straight straps with rounded ends, and yes, there are a total of 16 required (four for each spar end). Half of the fittings will need to be installed with spacers to offset them so the spars can line up - I added extra plywood doublers under my centersection fittings. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:04 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: My earlier reply was for the center section fittings only, double that for the wings and center section. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Robison To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: ----- Original Message ----- From: Robison To: Scott L Robison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:50 AM !! > Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Please post to the Pietenpol list 2) Scott Robison 3) robison@mchsi.com 4) Help-Confusion on wing spar fittings. 5) Hello everyone. I'm new to the list and new to airplane building and I need some direction. How many wing spar fittings do I need? The plans say 4 each with and without tabs for front and rear spar. Does this mean that there are 16 required? I'm confused. I've attached a copy of the plans for these fittings. 6-x) Description of photo: Plans for wing spar fittings. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:26 AM PST US From: "Robison" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for your help. Jack and Berry, Thanks for your help. My questions were answered. Scott ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:58 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Pardon my lack of experience. I'm about to order the 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip to start my winter goal of completing the wing ribs and this will be the first stage of my construction. I was just wondering if the sizes listed by Aircraft Spruce and other online sources of Sitka spruce are the exact sizes you get or do you order larger dimensioned wood and plane it to the exact size you need. (..for example a Home Depot 2x4 is really 1.5 x 3.5) Can you tell I'm a newbie? Thanks, Glenn ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" AS&S and Wicks are very good about cutting the material to the exact dimensions specified. At the price of Sitka Spruce you don't want to order any more than you actually need. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glennthomas@charter.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Pardon my lack of experience. I'm about to order the 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip to start my winter goal of completing the wing ribs and this will be the first stage of my construction. I was just wondering if the sizes listed by Aircraft Spruce and other online sources of Sitka spruce are the exact sizes you get or do you order larger dimensioned wood and plane it to the exact size you need. (..for example a Home Depot 2x4 is really 1.5 x 3.5) Can you tell I'm a newbie? Thanks, Glenn ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:23 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" the sizes are exact. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > Pardon my lack of experience. I'm about to order the 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip to start my winter goal of completing the wing ribs and this will be the first stage of my construction. I was just wondering if the sizes listed by Aircraft Spruce and other online sources of Sitka spruce are the exact sizes you get or do you order larger dimensioned wood and plane it to the exact size you need. (..for example a Home Depot 2x4 is really 1.5 x 3.5) > > Can you tell I'm a newbie? > > Thanks, > Glenn > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:26 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Thanks Jack and DJ, Hopefully once I get the first piece built I'll develop a "sense" for the rest of the project. One of the people on the list, Lou Wither, who lives only an hour away from me, has offered his help as well as the use of his rib jigs. Again, this list and the support and ideas it provides is more valuable than I can put to words. I can't believe I'm finally doing something I've been waiting to do for over 20 years! Thanks! Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > the sizes are exact. > > DJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:41 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lumber Dimensions > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > > > Pardon my lack of experience. I'm about to order the 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip > to start my winter goal of completing the wing ribs and this will be the > first stage of my construction. I was just wondering if the sizes listed by > Aircraft Spruce and other online sources of Sitka spruce are the exact sizes > you get or do you order larger dimensioned wood and plane it to the exact > size you need. (..for example a Home Depot 2x4 is really 1.5 x 3.5) > > > > Can you tell I'm a newbie? > > > > Thanks, > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:31 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: blood pressure medication --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" I don't know if this recommendation is for everyone but... I run 7 miles about 3 or 4 times a week, I'm 42, 5' 10" and weigh about 200 lbs. (Not exactly skinny). I don't go crazy dieting but do make sure I work out fairly regularly. Before my last routine physical I feared that my cholesterol and BP would be on the rise due to the gain in weight (from my old weight of 160 about 15 years ago). At the physical when the doc saw my BP was lower than average and my cholesterol was around 180 he asked if I did a lot of exercise. I said I ran between 21 and 30 miles a week and he said that explained the lower than normal BP. For me and my current condition the amount of running I do is about all I can fit into my schedule but apparently it is having a positive impact on my health. I might recommend, if you're in fair shape, that you start running (maybe not 7 miles since I've been a runner since high school) and ramp up to where it brings your blood pressure down. From my experience runners have a lower than average blood pressure and it helps with cholesterol too. If you have a physical coming up, start now and do a little as often as possible, so that by the physical you'll be in good shape. If you have knee problems swimmers have told me that swimming has similar benefits, but I hate lap swimming. I hope that didn't sound like a health commercial, but getting to the point where you can run 7 or so miles every weekend morning and once during the week isn't as hard as it sounds and that might be all it takes. Check the idea out with your doc and see what he says. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvey Rule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: blood pressure medication > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule > > Just the problems you have been experiencing with these people is enough > to make anybodies blood pressure go up! > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > > > Sheesh- I had no idea there was so much involved in this blood > > pressure thing. In between medicals, my blood pressure was creeping > > up into the border-hypertensive region so my personal physician put me > > on the minimal dosage of Altace to control it. At my next medical, I > > reported the new medication as well as the doctor visit, my AME > > requested copies of my personal doc's file on me including my personal > > log of weekly BP readings over several months (we have a clinic at > > work so I could easily check and track it), he submitted it with my > > 3rd class stuff to Okie City, and that was that. Third class issued, > > no questions, over a year ago. > > > > This is the 21st century. We put men on the moon, GPS navigation in > > everybody's pocket, and can fit a bunch of megabytes of data on a > > thing the size of an old gum eraser. Blood pressure medication is not > > experimental, nor is it (dare I say it?) rocket science. Old grandma > > FAA Aeromedical needs to take some Geritol and get with the program, > > especially with hundreds of thousands of baby boomers starting through > > the system with plenty of disposable income and a hankering to fly. > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:41 PM PST US From: "Robison" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Flying Video Chuck, Got your video today. Great job. I can't wait to get mine finished. You also have a building video correct? I like to order that one too. Thanks, Scott Robison robison@mchsi.com Pietenpol builders list ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:09 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer Flying Video In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:58:41 PM Central Standard Time, robison@mchsi.com writes: Chuck, Got your video today. Great job. I can't wait to get mine finished. You also have a building video correct? I like to order that one too. Thanks, Scott Robison robison@mchsi.com Pietenpol builders list Scott, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I've been working on the building video almost every day...it just takes SO much time to edit a video the way I want it to come out. I'll let the list know when it is finished. Meanwhile, I have a lot of the DVD video 'Flying NX770CG' packed and ready to go. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Pietenpols Forever !!