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1. 04:15 AM - Re: Wing strut fittings, etc. (Lou Wither)
2. 07:09 AM - Re: Wing strut fittings, etc. (Bill Church)
3. 08:29 AM - Re: Wing strut fittings, etc. (Ben Charvet)
4. 02:02 PM - lift strut fittings (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 05:35 PM - Earl Myers Drawings (Kirk Huizenga)
6. 05:46 PM - T'was The Night Before Christmas - Sports Planes Style (Jim Pellien)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing strut fittings, etc. |
Boy, I wish I had have known about the 65 HP engine change to the fuselage, it
would have saved me a lot of heart ache.
Lou
N799LJ
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| Subject: | Wing strut fittings, etc. |
From the Pietenpol website:
"If you are planning to use an engine lighter in weight than the Ford A
(245 lb.), It is suggested that you also purchase the supplemental Plans
which elongates the fuselage in order to accomodate the weight and
balance requirements when using a lighter aircraft engine."
Which is not to say that you can't use a 65HP engine with the original
fuselage length. It's been done, successfully.
It was a decade or so following the Experimenter article quoted by
Graham Hansen, that BHP created the Supplemental Plans, incorporating a
lengthened fuselage, with modified fittings and alternate engine mounts.
I don't have a copy of my plans right here with me, but I'm pretty sure
that the Supplemental Plans also detail modified lift strut attach
fittings, designed to be more close to the actual angle of the struts.
They might not be labelled very clearly as to exactly what they are. Or
maybe it's just my memory that's not so clear...
Bill
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lou
Wither
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing strut fittings, etc.
Boy, I wish I had have known about the 65 HP engine change to the
fuselage, it would have saved me a lot of heart ache.
Lou
N799LJ
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| Subject: | Re: Wing strut fittings, etc. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Bill Church wrote:
The supplemental plans also include plans for motormounts for the A-65
and Corvair. They show a modified plan for the motormount brackets that
are longer than on the original plans, but I don't remember any drawings
for the lift struts.
just my $.02
Ben
> From the Pietenpol website:
>
> "If you are planning to use an engine lighter in weight than the Ford
> A (245 lb.), It is suggested that you also purchase the supplemental
> Plans which elongates the fuselage in order to accomodate the weight
> and balance requirements when using a lighter aircraft engine."
>
> Which is not to say that you can't use a 65HP engine with the original
> fuselage length. It's been done, successfully.
> It was a decade or so following the Experimenter article quoted
> by Graham Hansen, that BHP created the Supplemental Plans,
> incorporating a lengthened fuselage, with modified fittings and
> alternate engine mounts.
> I don't have a copy of my plans right here with me, but I'm pretty
> sure that the Supplemental Plans also detail modified lift strut
> attach fittings, designed to be more close to the actual angle of the
> struts. They might not be labelled very clearly as to exactly what
> they are. Or maybe it's just my memory that's not so clear...
>
> Bill
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lou
> Wither
> *Sent:* December 22, 2005 7:31 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing strut fittings, etc.
>
> Boy, I wish I had have known about the 65 HP engine change to the
> fuselage, it would have saved me a lot of heart ache.
>
> Lou
> N799LJ
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| Subject: | lift strut fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Ben wrote-
>The supplemental plans also include plans for motormounts for the A-65 and
>Corvair. They show a modified plan for the motormount brackets that are
>longer than on the original plans, but I don't remember any drawings for
>the lift struts.
On the sheet labeled "Supplementary Plans- Pietenpol Air-Camper", there are
several things. There are side views of the fuselage framing and sheeting,
labeled "*corrected 9-22-94 DP" for the lengths of the three verticals aft
of the pilot's seat and ahead of the rudder post, corrected by Don
Pietenpol. There is a dimensioned plan of the revised rear seat bottom
framing, with two fore-and-aft braces rather than one under the seat bottom
plywood as shown on the original drawings. There are upper and lower motor
mount bracket details, full size, including mounting ears for the
cabane/center section brace struts to eliminate the x-brace wires between
the cabanes. And there is a full-size detail of "flying strut fitting; 8
required". This is the piece in question.
The revised "flying strut fitting" is clearly longer than the originals and
the angled cut clearly indicates that it installs at more of an angle from
the vertical than the original, supposedly to align with the axis of the
lift strut. I have not drawn up the original nor the revised brackets in
AutoCAD to see if this is the case, but I'll bet that it is.
My conclusion is the same, though... either bracket will work just fine for
your lift struts, and that has been proven by thousands of flight hours with
no problems that I am aware of.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Earl Myers Drawings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org>
Does any one have a copy of the drawings that Earl talked about way back Oct 7,
1999? They are specifically for the aileron piano hinge set-up. The post from
'99 is below.
I am looking for a few bits of information.
1) What size hinge did he or Mike Cuy (or others) use
2) What size machine screws were used (6-32 or 8-32) and with what corresponding
nut plate.
3) Do the machine screws sit flush with the hinge (after being counter sunk) and
is there enough thickness of the hinge to countersink and still provided enough
surface area to hold the hinge securely.
4) Were the nut plates screwed, epoxied, or both onto the backside of the aileron
"spar"
Thanks
Kirk
Here is the old post
Walt;
The barrel or hinge pin side or whatever you want to call it basically lies
flush with the top of the wing and aileron the whole length of the 6' hinge.
This achieves the same hinge point that the hardware store hinges had as per
the plans. I originally bought Stanley hinges for the ailerons and just
didn't like the feel or sloppiness of them, hence the piano hinge. I choose
the extruded hinge as I had some laying around and it is stronger than the
other..... I realize now that was overkill after seeing numerous high
performance planes with the regular wrapped hinge. I choose MS 21059 L08
floating nut plates that screw to the insides of the ailerons and inside the
wing. This way the hinge is totally exposed for removal of it via attach
screws. Long story made short, if you give me your snail address off line
here, I will mail you a copy of my drawing. There are a lot more tidbits on
it about trim strips for fabric and so forth. This is what The Honorable Mr.
Cuy used on his ship and it seems to work fine. I used it on my Scout too
but it hasn't flown yet.
Earl Myers
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| Subject: | T'was The Night Before Christmas - Sports Planes Style |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the forum
not an EMAIL was posted, not even a note.
The stockings were hung by the laptop with care,
in hopes that Tom P. soon would be there.
The pilots were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of SLSA's danced in their heads.
The aircraft in their hangars, and I in my cap,
had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap.
When out on the tarmac there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my desk to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
tore open the shutter, and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
gave the lustre of midday to the tie-downs below,
when, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a Light Sport Aircraft and eight big EAA 'rs.
With a little old pilot, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be Tom P.
More rapid than eagles, his coursers they came,
and he whistled and shouted and called them by name:
"Now Rutan! Now Melville!
Now, Fossett and Boyer!
On, Lawrence! On, Heintz!
On, Van G and Sawyer!
To the end of the runway!
To the tie-down area
Now Shut Down ! Shut Down!
Shut Down All Engines"
As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
when they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky
so up to the top of the FBO they flew,
with the sleigh full of flight toys, and Tom P. too.
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
the prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
As I drew in my head and was turning around,
down the chimney Tom P. came with a bound.
He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
and his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of new FAA rules he had flung on his back,
and he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
and filled all the stockings, with SP and LSA Rulings.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
and giving a nod, up the chimney he rose.
He sprang to his SLSA, completed his preflight,
And away he flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he flew out of sight,
"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"
(An Adaptation of the Classic Poem, "T'was the Night Before Christmas")
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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