---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/29/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Builders manual (Michael D Cuy) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: Builders manual (Michael D Cuy) 3. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Builders manual () 4. 08:44 AM - A65 oil sump/good luck (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 03:20 PM - Re: A Pietenpol for Christmas (Harvey Rule) 6. 06:29 PM - Re: A Pietenpol for Christmas (JR) 7. 06:37 PM - C75 question (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 08:05 PM - Re: wire wheels on ebay nowwire wheels on ebay now (Tom Stinemetze) 9. 08:18 PM - Re: C75 question (Jeff Boatright) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:07 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders manual --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Mike-- I ordered the building manual but as I recall it is mostly about converting the Model A engine for aircraft use. Others who have it more fresh in their minds may recall more of what is in there. The manual "manual" is not a manual at all actually. It is merely about 25 pages of Bernards thoughts strung together in a binder type format. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:47 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders manual --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Mike--Here is what is in the builders manual as per the Pietenpol family web site found under the Pietenpol Family Web Site: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual Original Builders manual that contains the text written by Mr. Pietenpol for the Flying & Glider Manual and Popular Aviation magazines of the 1930's. This is the information pertinent to building the Air Camper and the Sky Scout in the 1930's. Also included is history about the planes that Mr. Pietenpol built and construction notes to assist the first time builder to better understand why it's built as it is. A good head start! Bernard wrote much of this manual himself and documents the how to's! Chapter I The Amateur Airplane Builder Chapter II Modern Mechanics and Inventions Ford A Powered 2-Seat Monoplane Pietenpol Steel Tube Fuselage Mounting the Motor on your Air Camper The Pietenpol-Ford Motor Conversion Chapter III Sky Scout The Pietenpol Sky Scout Tail Group and Fuselage Fittings Chapter IV Converting Ford Model A Engines For Flight Chapter V Itemized Parts List Chapter VI Airplane Chronology Chapter VII Converting the Corvair Engine For Flight Chapter VIII Sixty-five Years Of Post Flight Chapter IX Builders Notes Chapter X Builders Questions ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:53 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders manual --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Although it was an interesting source of insight on the how the plane came to be, and I like it for it's nostalgic value, I didn't find it to be a meaningful source of building instruction like you would think a "Builder's Manual" would have, and it is somewhat disorganized. I think you could probably pass on it. I got it more to immerse myself in this project and to have everything Bernie made available at the time it was created. This list is a better building reference than the manual. That's my opinion, Glenn > > From: Michael D Cuy > Date: 2005/12/29 Thu PM 12:40:16 GMT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders manual > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Mike-- I ordered the building manual but as I recall it is mostly about > converting the Model A engine for aircraft > use. Others who have it more fresh in their minds may recall more of what > is in there. The manual "manual" is not > a manual at all actually. It is merely about 25 pages of Bernards thoughts > strung together in a binder type format. > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:05 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 oil sump/good luck --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Mike wrote- >good luck on finding a decent 65 horse oil sump at a decent price. Define "decent". I found a guy with one on eBay. Started bids at $149 but no bids so I'm working with him on a little better price on it. And Mike Turrell wrote- >am wondering if the builder manual is a necessary buy I would sure buy it. There are lots of useful bits of information in it. Well worth the money, in my opinion. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:43 PM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol for Christmas --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule You don't get the silk scarf till you shoot down a triwing red coloured plane. > ssage posted by: JR > > Hello group and hope your Holiday is going well, > Been a lurker here for while, > I am the new owner of NX899TC-I'll be picking her up this summer, its > needs a little work but I'm sure I can get her looking just as good as > before. > I am mobilized now with the Army but still going to try to make it to > Broadhead this year. > I watched Mike C video and ordered Chucks video, reviewed the plans, > hung out around both Sun-n-Fun and Oshkosh watching them build the > Piet and got to know Ted B.while living down in Sunny Naples Florida. > Prior owner Timothy Cunningham has been very helpful in replying to my > emails and sending me photos of the plane. Looking foward to meeting > you all. > This will be my first plane with a Continental in it, a nice step up > from my VW and Rotax powered experimentals, however I do have a clean > Corvair Engine striped down sitting in the garage ; ) > I'd like to do some cross-country hops it it! > Oh yeah almost forgot, I had to order a leather helmet and goggles to > go with the Piet, However, I did show some restraint buy not > purchasing the silk scarf ! > > Happy 2006 > > Captain John Rocca > US Army SC > 412-445-5995 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:34 PM PST US From: JR Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol for Christmas --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JR Harvey- There is a great write up in Novembers Sport Aviation(EAA Magazine) on "The Fokker Triplane" From what I read it's quite a handful to Takeoff, Fly and Land. The write up made for some good fireplace reading. JR Harvey Rule wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule > > > You don't get the silk scarf till you shoot down a triwing red > coloured plane. > >> ssage posted by: JR >> >> Hello group and hope your Holiday is going well, >> Been a lurker here for while, >> I am the new owner of NX899TC-I'll be picking her up this summer, >> its needs a little work but I'm sure I can get her looking just as >> good as before. >> I am mobilized now with the Army but still going to try to make it >> to Broadhead this year. >> I watched Mike C video and ordered Chucks video, reviewed the plans, >> hung out around both Sun-n-Fun and Oshkosh watching them build the >> Piet and got to know Ted B.while living down in Sunny Naples >> Florida. Prior owner Timothy Cunningham has been very helpful in >> replying to my emails and sending me photos of the plane. Looking >> foward to meeting you all. >> This will be my first plane with a Continental in it, a nice step up >> from my VW and Rotax powered experimentals, however I do have a clean >> Corvair Engine striped down sitting in the garage ; ) >> I'd like to do some cross-country hops it it! >> Oh yeah almost forgot, I had to order a leather helmet and goggles to >> go with the Piet, However, I did show some restraint buy not >> purchasing the silk scarf ! >> >> Happy 2006 >> >> Captain John Rocca >> US Army SC >> 412-445-5995 >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:23 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: C75 question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Here's some info for Jeff, from an A&P friend of mine: ==================== On the small Continentals, TDC on #1 Cyl as marked on the prop flange is aligned with the case parting line with the TDC mark in the down position on the flange just as described in the question. It is installed correctly. This is true for both taper shaft and flanged engines. If you changed the cam 180 degrees, #1 Piston would still be at TDC in the same position. If you find it easier to deal with the timing marks on the top, either mark it 180 degrees out on the flange, or time to #2 cylinder. FWIW, Continental did some strange markings that are counter-intuitive on the cam gear too. ====================== Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:07 PM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wire wheels on ebay nowwire wheels on ebay now Walt: This is probably obvious to everyone else but why cant these wheels be used with brakes? Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ - Just be aware, that you can't use these wheels where brakes are used. walt evans ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:11 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C75 question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright Oscar, Thanks so much for the input. What a group this is! Jeff >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > >Here's some info for Jeff, from an A&P friend of mine: >==================== >On the small Continentals, TDC on #1 Cyl as marked on the prop >flange is aligned with the case parting line with the TDC mark in >the down position on the flange just as described in the question. >It is installed correctly. This is true for both taper shaft and >flanged engines. > >If you changed the cam 180 degrees, #1 Piston would still be at TDC >in the same position. If you find it easier to deal with the timing >marks on the top, either mark it 180 degrees out on the flange, or >time to #2 cylinder. > >FWIW, Continental did some strange markings that are >counter-intuitive on the cam gear too. >====================== >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net