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1. 07:03 AM - wire wheels (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 07:27 AM - Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private airport security (Sterling)
3. 08:47 AM - Re: straight spokes vs. criss-crossed spokes (Harvey Rule)
4. 10:18 AM - Re: wire wheels (JR)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private (Jeff Boatright)
6. 01:40 PM - Re: Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private airport security (Dick Navratil)
7. 02:07 PM - motorcycle wheels (Dick Navratil)
8. 02:34 PM - Motorcycle wheels (TBYH@aol.com)
9. 02:55 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels (Jack T. Textor)
10. 03:14 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels (Jeff Boatright)
11. 03:24 PM - Re: Motorcycle wheels (Jeff Boatright)
12. 09:01 PM - My Brother Needs an RV-4 Engine (Catdesign)
13. 10:30 PM - Re: Chuck's Video (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Hello,
Radial (straight) laced wire wheels should only be used without brakes. If one
isn't using brakes, there is no need to cross the spokes to since there is no
acceleration or braking forces trying to spin the rim at a different speed than
the hub.
If one is using brakes, one MUST use one of the cross lacing patterns.
I've personally witnessed two motorcle wheels failures. One on an ultralight biplane
where the alloy rim dramatically failed when it was pancaked on from ten
feet (anything would likely have failed) and one where side loads did seem to
be the culprit, but the hub was VERY narrow, with the spokes having almost NO
angle to them at all.
Douwe
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Subject: | Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private airport |
security
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I and several neighbors who have their own airstrips on their farms or ranches
have been getting mail from "vendors" who for a fee, will write a Security Plan
to comply with the "General Aviation Security Act of 2005" that Mr. Sweeney
introduced recently.
I sent the below text to AOPA asking for clarification on this issue... The text
is submitted for your inspection and review and if anybody else on the list
who has their own airport on their place needing to "comply" with this act, maybe
my text will comply and you can copy it for your use (ammend as needed) and
send it to Congressman Sweeney.
*****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Dear AOPA, (I need your help)
I (and a few friends) who own their own landing strips (in my case 5TA6) keep getting
mail about the General Aviation Security Act of 2005. The people sending
this mail are saying they can comply with this act and write a "security plan"
for my private airport for a fee.
The way I look at it, if someone tries to "breach" the security of my airstrip
here on my ranch, they have to go through my locked gate or crawl over my electric
fence, then get past all of my 7 dogs (two of which are unsocialized German
Shepherds that have bitten kinfolk). Then the "terrorist" has to get by me
with my assortment of shotguns and handguns (I was an expert on the Colt 45 when
I was in Navy OCS in 1982) and my wife is a crack shot with her 9mm Glock.
I suspect the potential soundrels who are "targeted" under this rule are men of
Arab background, ages 19 to 45 and would look different than most of the folks
who live here in Central Texas? My dogs will recognize these scoundrels Muy
Pronto as we say here in Texas.
Do I need to write a security plan to comply with the "Act" or will my above text
be sufficient to suggest I have adequate security on my place down here in
Texas? If so, I am VERY happy to send the above text to Congressman Sweeny who
introduced this bill to the Committee on Homeland Security.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch.
(Oh, I forgot to mention I was an M-60 machinegunner with the Army in Vietnam (as
a volunteer, not a draftee)... and I'm still pretty good with my AR-15, despite
wearing bi-focals and no longer a teenager with a gun in Vietnam...)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: straight spokes vs. criss-crossed spokes |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
I remember that was a problem with my MGB car..Everytime I'd drive over
bumpy roads I had to readjust the damn things.This may be true of
landing on rough fields.It may be necessary to adjust them on a regular
basis.
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" <bike.mike@charter.net>
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>>With the spokes crossing, 1/2 of them will be in tension when the hub
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>brake
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>>is stopping the wheel -- same thing that happens with the rear wheel on a
>>bicycle when you pedal.
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>Not entirely true. On a properly built spoked wheel, all the spokes are in
>tension (fairly high) even with no braking or accelerating torque applied.
>When a braking torque is applied at the hub, half of the spokes are under
>increased tension and the other half are under reduced tension. They both
>contribute to tranfering the torque to the rim which is what you want
>stopped.
>What you don't ever want to have happen is for any spokes to completely
>relax...wheel collapse or severe misalignment is an almost inevitible
>result.
>
>Mike Hardaway
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: JR <rocca@adelphia.net>
Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Radial (straight) laced wire wheels should only be used without
> brakes. If one isn't using brakes, there is no need to cross the
> spokes to since there is no acceleration or braking forces trying to
> spin the rim at a different speed than the hub.
>
> If one is using brakes, one MUST use one of the cross lacing patterns.
>
> I've personally witnessed two motorcle wheels failures. One on an
> ultralight biplane where the alloy rim dramatically failed when it was
> pancaked on from ten feet (anything would likely have failed) and one
> where side loads did seem to be the culprit, but the hub was VERY
> narrow, with the spokes having almost NO angle to them at all.
>
> Douwe
Man-
This list is great I didn't know there could be so much discussion over
something the average person takes for granted such as a spoked wheel.
The knowledge base is definitely here., and at the end of the day I
feel so much smarter and informed on all the discussions here. I really
like the anaolgy of the Merry-go-round used to explain a point about the
hub. Made it so much clearer. I really enjoy the discussions when
physics is broken down to the laymans level. OK for know back into my
sponge mode.
JR
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airport security
Subject: | Re: Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private |
airport security
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Dear Mr. Sterling Brooks,
President Bush has closely reviewed your Plan for Security Against
Terrorists or Men of Arab Background at 5TA6 (henceforth referred to
as PSATMAB-5TA6) and finds that He must reject it.
Below are the reasons for rejection and suggestions for changes to
PSATMAB-5TA6 that _may_ bring it into compliance with the National
Security Goals of President Bush and His various Administrative Arms.
Rejection Reason 1: It is potentially too effective. Implementing
such a plan will likely deter Acts of Terrorism at 5TA6 and thus may
contrast with the planning of the Administration of President Bush as
pertains to other potential terrorist targets of opportunity such as
power plants, bridges, and harbors. Making the Administration of
President Bush look bad runs counter to the National Security Goals
of the Administration of President Bush.
Potential Remedy 1: Make the plan less effective. Propose to remove
all the fences around facility 5TA6. Propose to feed your dogs
several cans of Alpo daily to slow them down, give them the trots,
and make them lethargic. See also Potential Remedy 2 for additional
commentary that may impact Rejection Reason 1.
Rejection Reason 2: The complete lack of proposed use of color
coding and duct tape indicates that you're not serious about security.
Potential Remedy 2: Possibly the plan would be almost certified if
you proposed to spray paint five of your dogs in the TSA-approved
Terror Alert Colors and duct taped the other two dogs together. Note
that this would partially remedy Rejection Reason 1 as such actions
would make the dogs easier for Terrorists and Men of Arab Background
to see. Also, duct taping two of the dogs together will probably make
them less effective. We suggest taping the two non-socialized German
shepherds together. Good luck.
(Note also that the Administration of President Bush takes a dim view
of any proposal that includes the use of German foreign nationals
since Germany is not a part of the Coalition of the Billing. And how
useful are shepherds for security anyway? Where do the sheep come
into this at all? Due to this egregious silliness on your part, you
are now on a Security Watch List. Maybe. We don't really divulge who
is or is not on that list. Again, good luck.)
Rejection Reason 3: PSATMAB-5TA6 does not cost enough.
Cost-effectiveness runs counter to every initiative of the
Administration of President Bush. Honestly, President Bush is
surprised that you did not pick up on this since not only is his
borrow-and-spend philosophy a cornerstone to his National Security
Plan, but it is also the cornerstone of every one of his other
policies, both Foreign and Domestic.
Potential Remedy 3: Please pay closer attention to what we do, not
what we say. PSATMAB-5TA6 does not even include a budget, much less a
cost-plus procurement plan! We suggest that you propose a budget of
at least $5 billion dollars for PSATMAB-5TA6. Do not feel that you
will be limited by this amount. We understand that Alpo, spray paint,
and duct tape are expensive. Don't worry, even if the Chinese stop
loaning us money, we'll just print more!
Rejection Reason 4: PSATMAB-5TA6 lacks no-bid contracting to
Halliburton or subsidiaries. This is related to but separate from
Rejection Reason 3.
Potential Remedy 4: Propose to no-bid subcontract to Boots and Roots
or Toots and Coots or Loots and Hoots (or any other Halliburton
subsidiary, domestic or offshore) the feeding of Alpo to the dogs,
the spray painting of the dogs, the duct taping of the dogs, the
fence removal, and any other actions you would like carried out at
5TA6, including but not limited the purchase of mink coats and
diamonds for Mrs. Sterling Brooks (you'll need these; see below). An
alternative proposal that would be viewed positively would be to
simply write checks directly to Vice-President Cheney, though such
streamlining runs somewhat counter to our normal operating procedures
of incompetence, secrecy, and obfuscation.
Rejection Reason 5: There is no Rejection Reason 5. President Bush
does not need a reason for any of His actions. In rejecting
PSATMAB-5TA6, President Bush is exercising His Powers of Executive
Aw-Tho-Ree-Tay in Wartime. Respect His Aw-Tho-Ree-Tay! Such
Aw-Tho-Ree-Tay cannot be questioned, nor is Congressional oversight
allowed. (By the way, the NSA knows every web site you've ever
visited and has made Mrs. Sterling Brooks aware of these data. She is
not amused. Is she really that good with the Glock? Again, good luck.)
Potential Remedy 5: None. Sorry if you got this far thinking that you
could somehow revise PSATMAB-5TA6 into an acceptable form. President
Bush doesn't like it, He doesn't like you, and He doesn't revisit
decisions once He's made them. Proposal PSATMAB-5TA6 and you yourself
are thus SOL. (See U.S. Government Publication 544378D3a-SOL for
explanation of SOL. All Government Publications are available by
writing 'Pueblo, Colorado' on a piece of toilet paper and flushing.
Twice.) However, thank you for making the Administration of President
Bush aware of your security concerns at 5TA6. Vice-President Cheney
needs another Undisclosed Location in Texas now that there's no brush
left at Crawford. We have thus declared 5TA6 a permanent ADIZ. Please
halt all aerial and ground operations or movements of any kind at
5TA6. Note that this removes any security concerns you may have had
about 5TA6 as you will no longer be allowed to live there. The
Administration of President Bush realizes that this may be viewed as
a sacrifice on your part. Please don't whine about that or we'll have
Bill O'Reilly report on Live National TV that you're a Liberal
Democrat. Swoosh-Bang!
Sincerely,
John Poindexter Pierponte Negroponte
Chief Lackey of the Day
"I'm from the Federal Government and I'm here to help. Myself."
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>I and several neighbors who have their own airstrips on their farms
>or ranches have been getting mail from "vendors" who for a fee, will
>write a Security Plan to comply with the "General Aviation Security
>Act of 2005" that Mr. Sweeney introduced recently.
>
>I sent the below text to AOPA asking for clarification on this
>issue... The text is submitted for your inspection and review and if
>anybody else on the list who has their own airport on their place
>needing to "comply" with this act, maybe my text will comply and you
>can copy it for your use (ammend as needed) and send it to
>Congressman Sweeney.
>
>*****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
>
>Dear AOPA, (I need your help)
>
>I (and a few friends) who own their own landing strips (in my case
>5TA6) keep getting mail about the General Aviation Security Act of
>2005. The people sending this mail are saying they can comply with
>this act and write a "security plan" for my private airport for a
>fee.
>
>The way I look at it, if someone tries to "breach" the security of
>my airstrip here on my ranch, they have to go through my locked gate
>or crawl over my electric fence, then get past all of my 7 dogs (two
>of which are unsocialized German Shepherds that have bitten
>kinfolk). Then the "terrorist" has to get by me with my assortment
>of shotguns and handguns (I was an expert on the Colt 45 when I was
>in Navy OCS in 1982) and my wife is a crack shot with her 9mm Glock.
>
>I suspect the potential soundrels who are "targeted" under this rule
>are men of Arab background, ages 19 to 45 and would look different
>than most of the folks who live here in Central Texas? My dogs will
>recognize these scoundrels Muy Pronto as we say here in Texas.
>
>Do I need to write a security plan to comply with the "Act" or will
>my above text be sufficient to suggest I have adequate security on
>my place down here in Texas? If so, I am VERY happy to send the
>above text to Congressman Sweeny who introduced this bill to the
>Committee on Homeland Security.
>
>Sterling Brooks
>Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch.
>
>(Oh, I forgot to mention I was an M-60 machinegunner with the Army
>in Vietnam (as a volunteer, not a draftee)... and I'm still pretty
>good with my AR-15, despite wearing bi-focals and no longer a
>teenager with a gun in Vietnam...)
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private airport |
security
Sterling
I guess then, when coming to visit, it would be best to call first.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congressman Sweeney's bill to enhance private airport
security
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I and several neighbors who have their own airstrips on their farms or ranches
have been getting mail from "vendors" who for a fee, will write a Security Plan
to comply with the "General Aviation Security Act of 2005" that Mr. Sweeney
introduced recently.
I sent the below text to AOPA asking for clarification on this issue... The text
is submitted for your inspection and review and if anybody else on the list
who has their own airport on their place needing to "comply" with this act,
maybe my text will comply and you can copy it for your use (ammend as needed)
and send it to Congressman Sweeney.
*****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Dear AOPA, (I need your help)
I (and a few friends) who own their own landing strips (in my case 5TA6) keep
getting mail about the General Aviation Security Act of 2005. The people sending
this mail are saying they can comply with this act and write a "security plan"
for my private airport for a fee.
The way I look at it, if someone tries to "breach" the security of my airstrip
here on my ranch, they have to go through my locked gate or crawl over my electric
fence, then get past all of my 7 dogs (two of which are unsocialized German
Shepherds that have bitten kinfolk). Then the "terrorist" has to get by me
with my assortment of shotguns and handguns (I was an expert on the Colt 45
when I was in Navy OCS in 1982) and my wife is a crack shot with her 9mm Glock.
I suspect the potential soundrels who are "targeted" under this rule are men
of Arab background, ages 19 to 45 and would look different than most of the folks
who live here in Central Texas? My dogs will recognize these scoundrels Muy
Pronto as we say here in Texas.
Do I need to write a security plan to comply with the "Act" or will my above
text be sufficient to suggest I have adequate security on my place down here in
Texas? If so, I am VERY happy to send the above text to Congressman Sweeny who
introduced this bill to the Committee on Homeland Security.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch.
(Oh, I forgot to mention I was an M-60 machinegunner with the Army in Vietnam
(as a volunteer, not a draftee)... and I'm still pretty good with my AR-15, despite
wearing bi-focals and no longer a teenager with a gun in Vietnam...)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | motorcycle wheels |
For those who havent seen my Harley wheels in the past, I'm enclosing a pic. The
Harley spokes are much heavier duty than Honda or Yamaha. In addition the
hub castings on the Yamaha 650 wheels that I originally built, had a lot of defects
that I wasn't comfortable with. On my other Piet, I made a very bad crosswind
landing last summer and bent the axle but the wheel held up fine. I am
presently re-building the axles for both planes and will have the axles heat
treated and drawn.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Motorcycle wheels |
Speaking of wheels, I've purchased (on e-Bay) a pair of the solid disk cast
aluminum wheels as used on Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" motorcycles. I like the
1920-ish airplane looks and I believe they are stronger than spoked wheels plus
I won't have to worry about spoke maintenance, etc. They're a little heavy,
which is okay on the front end of the plane, but I can lighten them a couple
pounds by removing the sealed bearings and spacer inside the wheels. For just
taxiing and landing and taking off, I don't think I need roller bearings -- just
run the wheel on the tube axle and keep 'em greased. Also, the brake rotors
will bolt right to the wheels -- just need to fabricate the caliper mount. I've
also found some smooth tread tires to use, too. Anyway, this is my wheel
"solution" at the moment. Of course the proof is in the pudding, so in a year or
two when my ship flies, I'll report back.
Happy New Year --and Happy Landings -- to all!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | motorcycle wheels |
Beautiful plane Dick!
Happy New Year to all
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Dick Navratil
Subject: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels
For those who havent seen my Harley wheels in the past, I'm enclosing a pic. The
Harley spokes are much heavier duty than Honda or Yamaha. In addition the
hub castings on the Yamaha 650 wheels that I originally built, had a lot of defects
that I wasn't comfortable with. On my other Piet, I made a very bad crosswind
landing last summer and bent the axle but the wheel held up fine. I am
presently re-building the axles for both planes and will have the axles heat
treated and drawn.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: motorcycle wheels |
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Dick,
That's going to be one of the coolest Piets ever. Congrats!
J
>For those who havent seen my Harley wheels in the past, I'm
>enclosing a pic. The Harley spokes are much heavier duty than Honda
>or Yamaha. In addition the hub castings on the Yamaha 650 wheels
>that I originally built, had a lot of defects that I wasn't
>comfortable with. On my other Piet, I made a very bad crosswind
>landing last summer and bent the axle but the wheel held up fine. I
>am presently re-building the axles for both planes and will have the
>axles heat treated and drawn.
>Dick N.
>
>Attachment converted: Saaright:Pietenpol 005.jpg (JPEG/prvw) (00C0F008)
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Subject: | Re: Motorcycle wheels |
Fred,
The motorcycle wheels on our Piet have had the bearings removed and
the wheel just runs on the tube axle as you plan to do. About 500 hrs
on the plane, no problem with that setup so far. Be careful to keep
the grease away from the brakes. Seems obvious, but may not be that
easy depending on how you design the rotor or drum setup.
Jeff
>Speaking of wheels, I've purchased (on e-Bay) a pair of the solid
>disk cast aluminum wheels as used on Harley Davidson "Fat Boy"
>motorcycles. I like the 1920-ish airplane looks and I believe they
>are stronger than spoked wheels plus I won't have to worry about
>spoke maintenance, etc. They're a little heavy, which is okay on the
>front end of the plane, but I can lighten them a couple pounds by
>removing the sealed bearings and spacer inside the wheels. For just
>taxiing and landing and taking off, I don't think I need roller
>bearings -- just run the wheel on the tube axle and keep 'em
>greased. Also, the brake rotors will bolt right to the wheels --
>just need to fabricate the caliper mount. I've also found some
>smooth tread tires to use, too. Anyway, this is my wheel "solution"
>at the moment. Of course the proof is in the pudding, so in a year
>or two when my ship flies, I'll report back.
>
>Happy New Year --and Happy Landings -- to all!
>
>Fred B.
>La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | My Brother Needs an RV-4 Engine |
I was talking to my brother last night and he mentioned he was having trouble finding
a reasonably priced low to mid time 0-320 or 0-360 for an RV-4 he is building.
He has been watching Trade-A-Plane and E-Bay but no luck. I know it's
a long shot but does anyone out there have one to sell or know of one for sale?
He lives in Southern Corky country (that's south western Louisiana) if that
helps. He's been working on this thing for 15 years, see even kits take a
long time to build. I keep telling him he needs to get it done before it get
crushed by his house, it's already been through two natural disasters (a large
earthquake in S. California and recently a Hurricane). As most of us can relate
to (or in my case hope to relate to) he's a bit excited to finally have the
airframe mostly done and to be looking for an engine.
If you know of an engine email me directly and I will forward off the info to him
Thanks
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
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Subject: | Re: Chuck's Video |
In a message dated 12/28/2005 8:13:34 PM Central Standard Time,
dmott9@aol.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dmott9@aol.com
Chuck, are you setup to take PayPal ?
If not, I'll get a check in the mail.
Dennis Mott
131 Richmond
Gate City, VA 24251
Dennis,
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
I'll get a copy of 'Flying NX770CG' to the Post Office on Monday.
I trust you to send me a check or money order for $20 to:
Chuck Gantzer
626 Pattie
Wichita, KS 67211
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