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1. 04:27 AM - Re: A65 idle RPM (harvey rule)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Fw: Big Tundra Tires (Hans Vander Voort)
3. 05:49 AM - seat belts/harness (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: seat belts/harness (Sterling)
5. 06:46 AM - not just another pretty face (Michael D Cuy)
6. 06:49 AM - Re: seat belts/harness (harvey rule)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: not just another pretty face (Sterling)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: seat belts/harness (Sterling)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: seat belts/harness (harvey rule)
10. 12:11 PM - help with instrument routing (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 12:18 PM - Re: anyone near Lafayette, LA???? (Gene Rambo)
12. 12:21 PM - Re: help with instrument routing (Phillips, Jack)
13. 12:27 PM - Re: help with instrument routing (Robert Gow)
14. 01:31 PM - Re: help with instrument routing (Michael D Cuy)
15. 01:34 PM - Re: anyone near Lafayette, LA???? (Michael D Cuy)
16. 01:58 PM - Re: Big Tundra Tires (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
17. 02:17 PM - Re: help with instrument routing (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
18. 02:35 PM - Re: Big Tundra Tires (Robison)
19. 02:42 PM - Re: help with instrument routing (Rcaprd@aol.com)
20. 05:46 PM - Re: help with instrument routing (HVandervoo@aol.com)
21. 08:10 PM - airdraft dope (Douwe Blumberg)
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| Subject: | Re: A65 idle RPM |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Just far enough away that if the engine was to rev for some strange
reason or a gust of wind comes along that you could be in a world of
shit.
walt evans wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
>
> Nah, the car is 15 feet away
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harvey Rule" <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 idle RPM
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule
> > <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > I trust while you are walking to the car to retrieve your helmet and
> > goggles there is a qualified pilot sitting in the cockpit minding this
> > aircraft for you????????????????
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
> >
> >>
> >> Oscar,
> >> After my rebuild for putting it in the piet, I had some problems getting
> >> the idle mixture right. Had an approach at a low throttle setting, and
> >> when I came on with the throttle for a fly-by, it stumbled, and belched
> >> black smoke. Kind of scarey.
> >> After I got it leaned to the correct (it seems) setting, It idles down
> >> where my Mentor said was right,,,around 550/600.
> >> It is a sweet sound, after you start and walk to the car to get helmet
> >> and goggles, you turn and look at it just popping along, smooth as silk.
> >> Hard to realize that it is 1945 technology.
> >> Ain't life Grand?
> >> walt evans
> >> NX140DL
> >> Still wish I could add a starter.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:44 PM
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 idle RPM
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> >>> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Howdy again, Low 'n' Slow fliers-
> >>>
> >>> For those flying behind Continental A65s, what is the recommended idle
> >>> RPM? I've got a rebuilt carb and will be setting the idle speed in a
> >>> week or two, and need to know what these engines like.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Oscar Zuniga
> >>> San Antonio, TX
> >>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> >>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Big Tundra Tires |
27, 2005) at 01/05/2006 02:29:22 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Scott,
I friend of mine has a Kitfox with 8" Matco wheels and 8 x 8 ATV tires, rib
profile shaved off.
No problems with that setup.
But I think it looks to big, probably amphibious too :)
I use Matco 6' wheels (W62) with 4 ply 6 x 6.00 Airtrac tires,
proportionally the right size for my Pietenpol, at least I think so.
I fly off a grass strip that has seen better days.
Hans
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| Subject: | seat belts/harness |
Ken,
I guess we all have our little "hang-ups" and safety harness is one of mine. I've
probably overengineered mine, but with that panel so close to my face, it
gives me more peace of mind.
I've fashioned a glass seat bottom with a scoop for my rump which is not only much
more comfortable, it also drops me down almost two inches into the cockpit.
Now, if I run the harness out the top of the turtle deck, the angle is right
and would minimize any spine compression, which is a possibility if the harness
originates much lower than one's shoulders.
I welded up a very light tubular pylon that mounts just inside the turtle deck,
to which my harness bolts. Then a cable runs from that bolt, back to the tailskid
mounting area.
If I remember correctly, the pilot's seat belt bolts through both the vertical
member with some ash blocking.
The passenger seat belt bolts through the bottom crossmember and through the metal
strap that runs between gear fittings on the bottom of the fuse.
I am planning on snapping my passenger's harness to the rear X bracing (rods in
my case), as this should spread any load between many fittings, but we'll see
if my inspector lets it go. That's a really hard spot to find a good anchor.
I do have some shots and drawings somewhere from England of a pretty nice Piet
installation. you'd have to plan very early since it really must be fitted
while the fuse is in the works. if you want, email me and I'll TRY to find them.
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: seat belts/harness |
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Douwe...
I don't think anyone on this list will argue with you and most of us will say safety
is no hang-up...
I saw a Pietenpol last year that had been in a stall accident about 100 feet off
the ground whilst the pilot was trying to return to the grass strip he had just
taken off from, when learning a presidential TFR was in effect at Crawford
(not too far from Waco.) The pilot's face impacted the panel and although I
didn't see the chap's face, I hate to think what it looked like after the impact.
The aftermath was alarming. The panel was smashed up pretty good from the
fellow's face and this pilot only had a seat belt in his Piet.
My Piet only has a seat belt setup (I bought it as a project) and I plan on going
back into the fuselage to attach cables to the tail (much in the same way you
have described) in order to fabricate a shoulder harness. An A&P/IA suggested
this same method to me for attaching the shoulder harness.
I am confident my wife would leave me if my face got any uglier, thus the reason
for wanting the shoulder harness in my Air Camper.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: seat belts/harness
Ken,
I guess we all have our little "hang-ups" and safety harness is one of mine.
I've probably overengineered mine, but with that panel so close to my face, it
gives me more peace of mind.
I've fashioned a glass seat bottom with a scoop for my rump which is not only
much more comfortable, it also drops me down almost two inches into the cockpit.
Now, if I run the harness out the top of the turtle deck, the angle is right
and would minimize any spine compression, which is a possibility if the harness
originates much lower than one's shoulders.
I welded up a very light tubular pylon that mounts just inside the turtle deck,
to which my harness bolts. Then a cable runs from that bolt, back to the tailskid
mounting area.
If I remember correctly, the pilot's seat belt bolts through both the vertical
member with some ash blocking.
The passenger seat belt bolts through the bottom crossmember and through the
metal strap that runs between gear fittings on the bottom of the fuse.
I am planning on snapping my passenger's harness to the rear X bracing (rods
in my case), as this should spread any load between many fittings, but we'll see
if my inspector lets it go. That's a really hard spot to find a good anchor.
I do have some shots and drawings somewhere from England of a pretty nice
Piet installation. you'd have to plan very early since it really must be fitted
while the fuse is in the works. if you want, email me and I'll TRY to find
them.
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | not just another pretty face |
Hey Sterling--- I know this is a somewhat dated photo of you and your Dad
by your Avid Flyer, but
you gotta keep telling your wife that "you are the
best thing that ever happened to her"...but
just don't tell her I gave you the idea. I want a
Corona when I visit.
Another line I like to use when my wife is nearby and
I'm looking rather portly is "it took me 46 years
to look this good honey..."
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: seat belts/harness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I use a three piece military belt set up I bought from Aircraft Spruce.I
attached the shoulder portion through a slot I made in the top of the
seat just above the board you remove to look in the fuzy.I ran the
single belt portion part of the"Y"through and around a cable that was
already in place for me(thanks to the previous builders).I used the
bracket that was sent with the belt to secure it at the proper
length.Then I drilled two holes on either side of the fuzy through the
longerones to secure the belt portion along with a plate that was
fashioned to extend from one longeron to the next for extra
strength.Then I had to patch the fabric in the fuzy again with ceconite
in order to cover my handy work.I hated cuting those holes in the fabric
but for some strange reason the previous owners didn't install the seat
belt.What are ya gonna do?I now have a pretty safe set up.The seat belt
portion is about 5 inches wide and the shoulder harnes is 2 inches wide,
either side.They have loops to put the shoulder portion through as you
do up the belt.I think I paid about 66$ US for the harness.Just from
memory.I havn't used this set up yet but when I strapped myself in I
wasn't going anywhere; I can tell you that much.There is no way I could
hit that panel unless I was stretch Armstrong! The AME helping me sez if
that set up breaks it don't matter because the whole damn plane will be
in pieces anyway.Good luck!I hope this helps you out and if you need
pics I can take a trip to the airstrip and take a few for you if you
wish.
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| Subject: | Re: not just another pretty face |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
OOOh, but that photo was taken 14 years ago, and since then I've had cancer
cut off my nose twice, as in slice and dice.
Hey, remote chance I might be buying a pristine Tomahawk (don't laugh) near
Detroit. If I fly it back and if I'm not too chicken of flying in and around
your complicated airspace, maybe I'll stop by for a burger if you have a
greasy spoon at your field.
What field is your Piet at?
I won't know for sure about this airplane for a couple of weeks. I still
have my head up my butt about what I'm going to do. Guess it is a mid-life
crisis... or maybe I'll go for a mmid-life Cherokee, or shoot, I might just
go for what Monte Hall has behind curtain number 2...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: not just another pretty face
> Hey Sterling--- I know this is a somewhat dated photo of you and your Dad
> by your Avid Flyer, but
> you gotta keep telling your wife that "you are the
> best thing that ever happened to her"...but
> just don't tell her I gave you the idea. I want a
> Corona when I visit.
>
> Another line I like to use when my wife is nearby and
> I'm looking rather portly is "it took me 46 years
> to look this good honey..."
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: seat belts/harness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Harvey:
I'd like to see some pictures of your set up.
Thanks,
Sterling Brooks
----- Original Message -----
From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: seat belts/harness
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> I use a three piece military belt set up I bought from Aircraft Spruce.I
> attached the shoulder portion through a slot I made in the top of the
> seat just above the board you remove to look in the fuzy.I ran the
> single belt portion part of the"Y"through and around a cable that was
> already in place for me(thanks to the previous builders).I used the
> bracket that was sent with the belt to secure it at the proper
> length.Then I drilled two holes on either side of the fuzy through the
> longerones to secure the belt portion along with a plate that was
> fashioned to extend from one longeron to the next for extra
> strength.Then I had to patch the fabric in the fuzy again with ceconite
> in order to cover my handy work.I hated cuting those holes in the fabric
> but for some strange reason the previous owners didn't install the seat
> belt.What are ya gonna do?I now have a pretty safe set up.The seat belt
> portion is about 5 inches wide and the shoulder harnes is 2 inches wide,
> either side.They have loops to put the shoulder portion through as you
> do up the belt.I think I paid about 66$ US for the harness.Just from
> memory.I havn't used this set up yet but when I strapped myself in I
> wasn't going anywhere; I can tell you that much.There is no way I could
> hit that panel unless I was stretch Armstrong! The AME helping me sez if
> that set up breaks it don't matter because the whole damn plane will be
> in pieces anyway.Good luck!I hope this helps you out and if you need
> pics I can take a trip to the airstrip and take a few for you if you
> wish.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: seat belts/harness |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Ok I'll shoot down tonight after work(3:30 pm )and take some.I'll e-mail
em tomorrow.
Sterling wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
>
> Harvey:
>
> I'd like to see some pictures of your set up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sterling Brooks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: seat belts/harness
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
> >
> > I use a three piece military belt set up I bought from Aircraft Spruce.I
> > attached the shoulder portion through a slot I made in the top of the
> > seat just above the board you remove to look in the fuzy.I ran the
> > single belt portion part of the"Y"through and around a cable that was
> > already in place for me(thanks to the previous builders).I used the
> > bracket that was sent with the belt to secure it at the proper
> > length.Then I drilled two holes on either side of the fuzy through the
> > longerones to secure the belt portion along with a plate that was
> > fashioned to extend from one longeron to the next for extra
> > strength.Then I had to patch the fabric in the fuzy again with ceconite
> > in order to cover my handy work.I hated cuting those holes in the fabric
> > but for some strange reason the previous owners didn't install the seat
> > belt.What are ya gonna do?I now have a pretty safe set up.The seat belt
> > portion is about 5 inches wide and the shoulder harnes is 2 inches wide,
> > either side.They have loops to put the shoulder portion through as you
> > do up the belt.I think I paid about 66$ US for the harness.Just from
> > memory.I havn't used this set up yet but when I strapped myself in I
> > wasn't going anywhere; I can tell you that much.There is no way I could
> > hit that panel unless I was stretch Armstrong! The AME helping me sez if
> > that set up breaks it don't matter because the whole damn plane will be
> > in pieces anyway.Good luck!I hope this helps you out and if you need
> > pics I can take a trip to the airstrip and take a few for you if you
> > wish.
> >
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
Hey guys, input needed!
I am trying to keep the cockpits very clean and uncluttered. To this end, I am
running my wires outside the fuse, under the covering in tubes next to the stringer.
My question is the oil pressure line and my water temp line (ford motor). Is there
any reason I shouldn't run them out there too? I would run them in a seperate
tube just in case of a rupture of the oil line. Or do they need more acessability
and should be run inside the cockpits?
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: anyone near Lafayette, LA???? |
need to know right away if anyone is arounf Lafayette.
Gene
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
Douwe,
I ran all my lines in that space, between the plywood and the fabric,
including fuel lines. No problems so far.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
Hey guys, input needed!
I am trying to keep the cockpits very clean and uncluttered. To this
end, I am running my wires outside the fuse, under the covering in tubes
next to the stringer.
My question is the oil pressure line and my water temp line (ford
motor). Is there any reason I shouldn't run them out there too? I
would run them in a seperate tube just in case of a rupture of the oil
line. Or do they need more acessability and should be run inside the
cockpits?
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
While this isn't a critical application there are some general rules that
are good to follow. Always separate electrical wires from oil, hydraulic,
fuel or other fluid lines. Wiring should never be within 6 inches of fluid
lines, should run above them whenever possible but if closer be positively
separated and cross at greater than 60 degrees. Putting them in separate
tubes meets these criteria. You should not need to access these lines. A
not about the wiring. AC43-13 gives guidance WRT sizing wires but be
careful no to use data wires in free air. If these are more than magneto
wires, like lighting, you will need to use the correct column in 43.13 WRT
wire size.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
Hey guys, input needed!
I am trying to keep the cockpits very clean and uncluttered. To this end,
I am running my wires outside the fuse, under the covering in tubes next to
the stringer.
My question is the oil pressure line and my water temp line (ford motor).
Is there any reason I shouldn't run them out there too? I would run them in
a seperate tube just in case of a rupture of the oil line. Or do they need
more acessability and should be run inside the cockpits?
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Douwe-- I ran my oil line and ignition switch wires (grounding
wires/un-grounding wires !)
along the stringer between the fabric and plywood sides. Go for it.
I'm not sure what Ford guys do but I know that for the oil pressure lines
on a/c engines Tony B. tells
that we should (and I did) install a plugged fitting coming out of the
engines oil pressure line to the instrument
in the cockpit.....with the plugged portion being drilled with a small hole
that allows oil and pressure to be read
at the gauge, but will keep the flow of oil to a minimum should a leak or
break in the oil-to-gauge line occur in flight.
Mike C.
PS-- Larry Williams has the ultimate in 'clean' Pietenpol panels
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| Subject: | Re: anyone near Lafayette, LA???? |
0700a8c0@DICKLAPTOP>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Gene--yes, lots of people live there.
Sorry I'm not much help.
Mike C.
At 03:18 PM 1/5/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>need to know right away if anyone is arounf Lafayette.
>
>Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Big Tundra Tires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Scott: I'm using smooth atv tires on aluminium 8" atv wheels. I got the
tires from a place called Flying K Ent. Nampa Id. They made a light
airplane called Sky Raider. They don't look overly big. In fact they
resemble the Goodyear Airwheels that BHP used. I think the pair costed
me around $60. I am not sure Flying K Ent is still in business. As I
recall the owner died in a crash. I will probably have to shave the
knobs off my next Walmart pair. Leon S. In Ks.
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| Subject: | Re: help with instrument routing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Douwe: One way to clean up the cockpit is to mount your engine insts.
outside on the side of your radiator. I've seen several done this way
and you can still see them very well from the rear cockpit. I don't
think you can get a mechanical water temp capillary tube long enough to
run from the rear inst. panel to the engine. I wanted a long cap. tube
gauge for an old truck once and was told I would have special order it
from Stewart Warner,and it was very expensive. Since I converted the
truck to 12V, I bought electric gauges and ran wires. I'm using Modle A
gauges from Braxtons. They look very antique, but only have a 6'
capillary tube. Not long enough to run it the way I wanted, so I'm
mounting them on the radiator, Leon S.
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| Subject: | Re: Big Tundra Tires |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robison" <robison@mchsi.com>
Thanks for the input from you and Hans. This is alot cheaper that the
certified tire.
S. Robison
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| Subject: | Re: help with instrument routing |
In a message dated 1/5/2006 2:13:08 PM Central Standard Time,
douweblumberg@earthlink.net writes:
Hey guys, input needed!
I am trying to keep the cockpits very clean and uncluttered. To this end, I
am running my wires outside the fuse, under the covering in tubes next to the
stringer.
My question is the oil pressure line and my water temp line (ford motor). Is
there any reason I shouldn't run them out there too? I would run them in a
seperate tube just in case of a rupture of the oil line. Or do they need more
acessability and should be run inside the cockpits?
Thanks,
Douwe
I wish I would have installed conduit before covering. All my stuff is on
the inside. Just keep the wiring seperate, and above, the oil.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: help with instrument routing |
Douwe,
I have the engine instrumentation in the front cockpit except for the
Tachometer.
It keep the connecting wiring & tubing short.
Plus it saves space on the rear panel.
Most of the time you will fly alone and the front cockpit panel is easily
visible.
Hans
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Hey,
Anyone have any ideas for the best price on aircraft dopes?
Douwe
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