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1. 04:35 AM - Re: seat belts/harness (harvey rule)
2. 05:36 AM - A65 engine for sale (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:11 AM - this is a great group, thanks! (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: A65 engine for sale (Phillips, Jack)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: this is a great group, thanks! (Michael D Cuy)
6. 06:28 AM - Re: this is a great group, thanks! (Phillips, Jack)
7. 06:34 AM - Re: A65 engine for sale (Jim Ash)
8. 06:58 AM - SHOULDER HARNESS (rhartwig11@juno.com)
9. 08:20 AM - A65 engine for sale (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 08:40 AM - Re: help with instrument routing (Carl Vought)
11. 08:44 AM - Re: airdraft dope (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
12. 09:15 AM - Re: help with instrument routing (Rick Holland)
13. 09:30 AM - Re: help with instrument routing (hvandervoo@aol.com)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: help with instrument routing ()
15. 11:05 AM - Re: help with instrument routing (Hans Vander Voort)
16. 12:12 PM - Re: help with instrument routing ()
17. 12:51 PM - Re: airdraft dope (Phillips, Jack)
18. 02:13 PM - Model B Piet Prop (Isablcorky@aol.com)
19. 02:17 PM - Big Error, (Isablcorky@aol.com)
20. 02:40 PM - Re: airdraft dope (Jim Ash)
21. 02:50 PM - Re: airdraft dope (Rick Holland)
22. 03:20 PM - Re: A65 idle RPM (Ken Anderson)
23. 03:45 PM - Re: airdraft dope (bed@mindspring.com)
24. 05:34 PM - Lafayette, LA (Jim Cooper)
25. 10:18 PM - Re: seat belts/harness. (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: seat belts/harness |
As promised;here's the pics.There are a couple of pics of the clip they
send for attaching to the cable becuase I had to guestemate the pic by
holding the camera down and under and aimed back.I tried a number of
times till I got it right.One of them is of the lap attachment,the seat
back is pushed forward for this and you can see the nifty foot step
cover Tom Bennet made for me.The guy is a master with aluminum,a true
tin man.The other brackets made to connect between longerones was made
by Bob Moorhead.Man there isn't anything that guy don't know.As you can
see I'm just standin around while this plane is being built for
me.HAHAHA!Not really;these guys bust my balls from time to time and when
the spring time comes they'll be at it again till she's finished and
busting balls somemore!I sure appreciate the help though.You see I'm a
flyer not a builder and these guys understand that and they are teaching
me whether I like it or not.You will learn they tell me and I am.Enjoy!
Sterling wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
>
> Harvey:
>
> I'd like to see some pictures of your set up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sterling Brooks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "harvey rule" <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: seat belts/harness
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
> >
> > I use a three piece military belt set up I bought from Aircraft Spruce.I
> > attached the shoulder portion through a slot I made in the top of the
> > seat just above the board you remove to look in the fuzy.I ran the
> > single belt portion part of the"Y"through and around a cable that was
> > already in place for me(thanks to the previous builders).I used the
> > bracket that was sent with the belt to secure it at the proper
> > length.Then I drilled two holes on either side of the fuzy through the
> > longerones to secure the belt portion along with a plate that was
> > fashioned to extend from one longeron to the next for extra
> > strength.Then I had to patch the fabric in the fuzy again with ceconite
> > in order to cover my handy work.I hated cuting those holes in the fabric
> > but for some strange reason the previous owners didn't install the seat
> > belt.What are ya gonna do?I now have a pretty safe set up.The seat belt
> > portion is about 5 inches wide and the shoulder harnes is 2 inches wide,
> > either side.They have loops to put the shoulder portion through as you
> > do up the belt.I think I paid about 66$ US for the harness.Just from
> > memory.I havn't used this set up yet but when I strapped myself in I
> > wasn't going anywhere; I can tell you that much.There is no way I could
> > hit that panel unless I was stretch Armstrong! The AME helping me sez if
> > that set up breaks it don't matter because the whole damn plane will be
> > in pieces anyway.Good luck!I hope this helps you out and if you need
> > pics I can take a trip to the airstrip and take a few for you if you
> > wish.
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| Subject: | A65 engine for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, Pietenpolers-
The gentleman that I just bought a replacement oil sump from has an engine
and two props for sale. Here are the details if anyone is interested. This
gent is reputable and honest.
=====================
>Continental A65-8 engine deal comes with engine, carb, mags
>(low time slicks since new) A65-8, *no exhaust*...engine has
>900 hrs TTSN... 350 hrs SMOH. On the plane running,can fly
>plane,...no oil consumption etc....$5000.00
>Also two props...I have two props both**Airworthy** one is a
>0 time Sensenich W72CK-42...just got it back last week from Sensenich
>Yellow Tag and Certified $1100.00. The other is a J.B.Lewis L11CK-42 ????
>Hard to see that # 42 (maybe a 43...) is on it now running and I am
>going to have it certified..$800.00 ....of course the price is less not
>Certified.....
>lots of pictures available on request
>Richard [wandak@cpinternet.com]
======================
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | this is a great group, thanks! |
Hey guys,
I really appreciate everyone's thoughtful input on running lines and wiring!
I've grown to really appreciate our Piet group since I joined a WW1 airplane group
online. I was really shocked by the attitudes, nasty comments, etc being
thrown around, by a bunch of "talkers".
It really is a blessing to have a bunch of guys who are truly out to help eachother
with these wonderful birds.
let's keep it up!
Douwe
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| Subject: | A65 engine for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
So Oscar, does this mean you are no longer interested in the extra A65
oil sump I have?
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 engine for sale
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, Pietenpolers-
The gentleman that I just bought a replacement oil sump from has an
engine
and two props for sale. Here are the details if anyone is interested.
This
gent is reputable and honest.
=====================
>Continental A65-8 engine deal comes with engine, carb, mags
>(low time slicks since new) A65-8, *no exhaust*...engine has
>900 hrs TTSN... 350 hrs SMOH. On the plane running,can fly
>plane,...no oil consumption etc....$5000.00
>Also two props...I have two props both**Airworthy** one is a
>0 time Sensenich W72CK-42...just got it back last week from Sensenich
>Yellow Tag and Certified $1100.00. The other is a J.B.Lewis L11CK-42
????
>Hard to see that # 42 (maybe a 43...) is on it now running and I am
>going to have it certified..$800.00 ....of course the price is less not
>Certified.....
>lots of pictures available on request
>Richard [wandak@cpinternet.com]
======================
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: this is a great group, thanks! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Douwe--- you make some good obersvations. I've heard and seen the kind of
stuff you are talking about
that goes on in other groups and I don't see that here and am thankful for
it as well.
I do hear the rich kit-builder lists can be comprised of a bunch of whiney
brat cry-babies who don't have
an ounce of humor in them.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | this is a great group, thanks! |
You're right, Douwe. This IS a good group.
I'm thinking about building an RV-10 starting next fall, and have been
"lurking" on that list since Oshkosh. It is really interesting to note
the difference between the attitude and general helpfulness of this
group compared to that one. Of course, I tend to hold scratch-builders
in much higher regard than kit builders anyway.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Subject: Pietenpol-List: this is a great group, thanks!
Hey guys,
I really appreciate everyone's thoughtful input on running lines and
wiring!
I've grown to really appreciate our Piet group since I joined a WW1
airplane group online. I was really shocked by the attitudes, nasty
comments, etc being thrown around, by a bunch of "talkers".
It really is a blessing to have a bunch of guys who are truly out to
help eachother with these wonderful birds.
let's keep it up!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: A65 engine for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Where's he located?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 6, 2006 8:35 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 engine for sale
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Howdy, Pietenpolers-
>
>The gentleman that I just bought a replacement oil sump from has an engine
>and two props for sale. Here are the details if anyone is interested. This
>gent is reputable and honest.
>=====================
>>Continental A65-8 engine deal comes with engine, carb, mags
>>(low time slicks since new) A65-8, *no exhaust*...engine has
>>900 hrs TTSN... 350 hrs SMOH. On the plane running,can fly
>>plane,...no oil consumption etc....$5000.00
>>Also two props...I have two props both**Airworthy** one is a
>>0 time Sensenich W72CK-42...just got it back last week from Sensenich
>>Yellow Tag and Certified $1100.00. The other is a J.B.Lewis L11CK-42 ????
>>Hard to see that # 42 (maybe a 43...) is on it now running and I am
>>going to have it certified..$800.00 ....of course the price is less not
>>Certified.....
>>lots of pictures available on request
>>Richard [wandak@cpinternet.com]
>
>======================
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | SHOULDER HARNESS |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
I have the information on the British approved SHOULDER HARNESS for the
front cockpit. If you want the info e-mail me directly by clicking on
this link rhartwig11@juno.com . The files are about 1 meg so it will
take a few minutes to download if you have a dial up connection.
Dick H
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| Subject: | A65 engine for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
For those who asked where the seller is located, here's his info:
>Richard Karpik
>2621 Fraser street
>Grand Rapids, MN 55744-3227
Cold country.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: help with instrument routing |
Douwe.....
I hope this doesn't sound silly, but have you ever seen anyone locate gages (of
a little larger diameter) on the back of the engine? ....Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
Hey guys, input needed!
I am trying to keep the cockpits very clean and uncluttered. To this end, I
am running my wires outside the fuse, under the covering in tubes next to the
stringer.
My question is the oil pressure line and my water temp line (ford motor). Is
there any reason I shouldn't run them out there too? I would run them in a seperate
tube just in case of a rupture of the oil line. Or do they need more
acessability and should be run inside the cockpits?
Thanks,
Douwe
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Douwe,
Can only highly recommend the Stits system of "dopes", over the last 40
years I've used nitrate dopes and epoxy systems, etc. But most happy with
Stit's PVC system, get a HVLP spray gun with top loading of resin/dope and
you won't go wrong. Think Stit's only has one price and bunches of
suppliers. I buy my stuff from a large paint industrial/automotive paint
supply house in Anchorage. Don't know where you are, but look in yellow
pages for any DuPont or ICI automotive paint distributor (the big guys that
supply the auto repair paint shops), Stits distributes their product thru
some of these guys. And/or pull up Stit's website and look for their
distributors in your area, they're cheaper than Spruce and the shipping
problem of red label is eliminated. I didn't use Stits fabric, just plain
Dacron polyester fabric from Airspruce.
Gordon Bowen
Homer AK
Original Message:
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From: Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
Hey,
Anyone have any ideas for the best price on aircraft dopes?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: help with instrument routing |
The only negative I can think of for that solution would be for us cold
weather fliers where we may want to cover the front cockpit.
On 1/5/06, HVandervoo@aol.com <HVandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Douwe,
>
> I have the engine instrumentation in the front cockpit except for the
> Tachometer.
> It keep the connecting wiring & tubing short.
> Plus it saves space on the rear panel.
>
> Most of the time you will fly alone and the front cockpit panel is easily
> visible.
>
> Hans
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: help with instrument routing |
Rick
I solved that problem by making a cover that clips under the instrument panel (and
out of the slipstream)
But yes, it yet has to get cold here in Houston
We had a short cold spell early December but recently the weather has been near
perfect.
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
The only negative I can think of for that solution would be for us cold weather
fliers where we may want to cover the front cockpit.
On 1/5/06, HVandervoo@aol.com <HVandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
Douwe,
I have the engine instrumentation in the front cockpit except for the Tachometer.
It keep the connecting wiring & tubing short.
Plus it saves space on the rear panel.
Most of the time you will fly alone and the front cockpit panel is easily visible.
Hans
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
Would velcro and leather work for a cover or would domes be better?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
The only negative I can think of for that solution would be for us cold
weather fliers where we may want to cover the front cockpit.
On 1/5/06, HVandervoo@aol.com <HVandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
Douwe,
I have the engine instrumentation in the front cockpit except for the
Tachometer.
It keep the connecting wiring & tubing short.
Plus it saves space on the rear panel.
Most of the time you will fly alone and the front cockpit panel is
easily visible.
Hans
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
27, 2005) at 01/06/2006 08:04:48 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
I use snap buttons (domes?) in between and eye rings in corners which are
secured with a safety pin through a dowel pin
Snap buttons or velcro alone might not be enough, if your front cover comes
of it might obstruct your vision (right when you need it most - Murphy's
law)
Cover is made of Vinyl (imitation leather)
Hans
<harvey.rule@bell
.ca>
Sent by: To
owner-pietenpol-l <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
ist-server@matron cc
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Subject
RE: Pietenpol-List: help with
01/06/2006 11:57 instrument routing
AM
Please respond to
pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com
Would velcro and leather work for a cover or would domes be better?
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
The only negative I can think of for that solution would be for us cold
weather fliers where we may want to cover the front cockpit.
On 1/5/06, HVandervoo@aol.com <HVandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
Douwe,
I have the engine instrumentation in the front cockpit except for the
Tachometer.
It keep the connecting wiring & tubing short.
Plus it saves space on the rear panel.
Most of the time you will fly alone and the front cockpit panel is easily
visible.
Hans
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | help with instrument routing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Good idea about those eye rings on the corners;thanks.I will use domes.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Vander Voort
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort
<hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
I use snap buttons (domes?) in between and eye rings in corners which
are
secured with a safety pin through a dowel pin
Snap buttons or velcro alone might not be enough, if your front cover
comes
of it might obstruct your vision (right when you need it most - Murphy's
law)
Cover is made of Vinyl (imitation leather)
Hans
<harvey.rule@bell
.ca>
Sent by:
To
owner-pietenpol-l <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
ist-server@matron
cc
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Subject
RE: Pietenpol-List: help with
01/06/2006 11:57 instrument routing
AM
Please respond to
pietenpol-list@ma
tronics.com
Would velcro and leather work for a cover or would domes be better?
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help with instrument routing
The only negative I can think of for that solution would be for us cold
weather fliers where we may want to cover the front cockpit.
On 1/5/06, HVandervoo@aol.com <HVandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
Douwe,
I have the engine instrumentation in the front cockpit except for the
Tachometer.
It keep the connecting wiring & tubing short.
Plus it saves space on the rear panel.
Most of the time you will fly alone and the front cockpit panel is
easily
visible.
Hans
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
I heartily concur with Gorden and highly recommend the Stits PolyFiber
system. Good products and they won't burn. Once you've seen a
demonstration of how fast fabric with butyrate or nitrate dope burns and
then watch them hold a torch to fabric treated with their products you
will become a believer. Check them out at: http://www.polyfiber.com/
The distributor I used was Aircraft Technical Support, run by Jim and
Dondi Miller. Great folks to work with. Their website is:
http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gbowen@ptialaska.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net"
<gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Douwe,
Can only highly recommend the Stits system of "dopes", over the last 40
years I've used nitrate dopes and epoxy systems, etc. But most happy
with
Stit's PVC system, get a HVLP spray gun with top loading of resin/dope
and
you won't go wrong. Think Stit's only has one price and bunches of
suppliers. I buy my stuff from a large paint industrial/automotive
paint
supply house in Anchorage. Don't know where you are, but look in yellow
pages for any DuPont or ICI automotive paint distributor (the big guys
that
supply the auto repair paint shops), Stits distributes their product
thru
some of these guys. And/or pull up Stit's website and look for their
distributors in your area, they're cheaper than Spruce and the shipping
problem of red label is eliminated. I didn't use Stits fabric, just
plain
Dacron polyester fabric from Airspruce.
Gordon Bowen
Homer AK
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
Hey,
Anyone have any ideas for the best price on aircraft dopes?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Model B Piet Prop |
Cajun Commandments!
Turn up dem spekas, dis sum gooun musix
The Ten Commandments in Cancun... (Keeps it REAL Simple)
1. God is number one... and das' All.
2. Don't pray to nuttin' or nobody... jus' God.
3. Don't cuss nobody... 'specially da Good Lord.
4. When it be Sunday... pass yo'self by God's House.
5. Yo mama an' yo daddy dun did it all... lissen to dem.
6. Killin' duck an' fish, das' OK... people - No!
7. God done give you a wife... sleep wit' jus' her.
8. Don't take nobody's boat... or nuttin' else.
9. Don't go wantin' somebody's stuff.
10. Stop lyin'... yo tongue gonna fall out yo mouf!
Pieters,
Have a man locally looking for a prop for his Model B Piet. This Piet will
not be flown but suspended from the ceiling of a large building. He said the
bolt pattern is 3 1/2 four holer. Thought maybe some one might have a non
servicable prop they could part with.If so contact me direct and I'll put you
through to him. This is not a charity thing, he will pay a fair price.
Corky
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Pieters,
That Cajun stuff was sent unintentional with the last E mail. Please excuse
my computer error and ignorance,
Corky the Cajun in Louisiana
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Obvioiusly everybody is concerned about cost, but there may be other concerns which
might weigh just as heavily. That said, I like the Polyfiber system, for
two reasons.
Number one is the fire-retardant aspect, which has been pointed out. Ask yourself
how quickly you and your passenger can get away from your flaming airplane
at a couple thousand feet agl. Unless you're wearing parachutes, you're doing
really good to do it in 2-3 minutes. Also consider all that oxygen whizzing by
the burning stuff while you're trying to land. I'll bet the flaming dope demo
would be a lot more impressive with a small fan in front of it.
Another consideration, not mentioned here, is that conventional dopes will continue
to tighten over time. Polyfiber doesn't. My J-3 is covered with dope (don't
remember which kind(s) off the top of my head), and you can see where it's
getting pretty tight. I expect my next re-cover will be Polyfiber.
All that said, Polyfiber makes a kit for about $40 which includes all the stuff
to make a small wooden frame and cover it with their system, including rib stitching,
finishing tape (straight, not biased, as I recall), drain grommets, and
the ring for an inspection port. It also includes a needle, a thermometer to
calibrate your iron, and an instruction book, althought their newer kits now
come with an abbreviated copy of the full manual instead of the whole thing like
they used to (If you're going to do this, spring for the full manual also).
You supply a clothes iron, an exacto knife, and a few tin cans to work with
the liquids. It takes maybe an afternoon to get through it, if your environment
is right (watch the temperature and humidity, this stuff will blush). It's a
great kit to experiment and see if you like the system or not. Their dealers
either have it or can easily get it.
On the side, the Polyfiber STC information is included in the full manual (don't
remember about the abbreviated one). I believe the book says the STC is invalid
if it's used with somebody else's fabric. I don't know if there's a good reason
for this or if it's just to force the standard-type guys to buy more of
their stuff; I suspect it's because it hasn't been tested with others' fabrics
and they have no business motivation to do so. Their fabrics also come in three
weights, but the lightest one isn't approved for certified aircraft. Obviously
you Pieters can do whatever you want when building your aircraft as long as
you can get it through the inspection process.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>Sent: Jan 6, 2006 3:46 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
>I heartily concur with Gorden and highly recommend the Stits PolyFiber
>system. Good products and they won't burn. Once you've seen a
>demonstration of how fast fabric with butyrate or nitrate dope burns and
>then watch them hold a torch to fabric treated with their products you
>will become a believer. Check them out at: http://www.polyfiber.com/
> The distributor I used was Aircraft Technical Support, run by Jim and
>Dondi Miller. Great folks to work with. Their website is:
>http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
>
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>gbowen@ptialaska.net
>Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:45 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net"
><gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
>Douwe,
>Can only highly recommend the Stits system of "dopes", over the last 40
>years I've used nitrate dopes and epoxy systems, etc. But most happy
>with
>Stit's PVC system, get a HVLP spray gun with top loading of resin/dope
>and
>you won't go wrong. Think Stit's only has one price and bunches of
>suppliers. I buy my stuff from a large paint industrial/automotive
>paint
>supply house in Anchorage. Don't know where you are, but look in yellow
>pages for any DuPont or ICI automotive paint distributor (the big guys
>that
>supply the auto repair paint shops), Stits distributes their product
>thru
>some of these guys. And/or pull up Stit's website and look for their
>distributors in your area, they're cheaper than Spruce and the shipping
>problem of red label is eliminated. I didn't use Stits fabric, just
>plain
>Dacron polyester fabric from Airspruce.
>Gordon Bowen
>Homer AK
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net
>Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:09:18 -0500
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
>
>Hey,
>
>Anyone have any ideas for the best price on aircraft dopes?
>
>Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: airdraft dope |
The PolyFiber system is the best, however many people have used exterior
latex house paint on their homebuilts successfully at a tenth the price. I
thought it was a joke when I first heard about it. Then I talked to a lot of
people including a Broadhead EAA chapter member who has built and restored
over a dozen planes. They sold me on the idea. I talked to a
Sherwin-Williams person about how long their paint lasts. He said their more
expensive acrilic latax is guaranteed for 25 years. Said that within the
last 5 years they have changed the chemistry of the paint to make it stay
more flexible so freezing and thawing won't effect it, which is just what we
want on our fabric.
I think Bernie would have approved of the idea.
Also many people just brush it on, no spray equipment to buy and maintain.
On 1/6/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <
> Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> I heartily concur with Gorden and highly recommend the Stits PolyFiber
> system. Good products and they won't burn. Once you've seen a
> demonstration of how fast fabric with butyrate or nitrate dope burns and
> then watch them hold a torch to fabric treated with their products you
> will become a believer. Check them out at: http://www.polyfiber.com/
> The distributor I used was Aircraft Technical Support, run by Jim and
> Dondi Miller. Great folks to work with. Their website is:
> http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> gbowen@ptialaska.net
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:45 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net"
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Douwe,
> Can only highly recommend the Stits system of "dopes", over the last 40
> years I've used nitrate dopes and epoxy systems, etc. But most happy
> with
> Stit's PVC system, get a HVLP spray gun with top loading of resin/dope
> and
> you won't go wrong. Think Stit's only has one price and bunches of
> suppliers. I buy my stuff from a large paint industrial/automotive
> paint
> supply house in Anchorage. Don't know where you are, but look in yellow
> pages for any DuPont or ICI automotive paint distributor (the big guys
> that
> supply the auto repair paint shops), Stits distributes their product
> thru
> some of these guys. And/or pull up Stit's website and look for their
> distributors in your area, they're cheaper than Spruce and the shipping
> problem of red label is eliminated. I didn't use Stits fabric, just
> plain
> Dacron polyester fabric from Airspruce.
> Gordon Bowen
> Homer AK
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:09:18 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
>
> Hey,
>
> Anyone have any ideas for the best price on aircraft dopes?
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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The flying club I'm in previously had a Chief . The engine died on the taxi way
when the pilot got out to restart it there was a little too much throttle.
The plane went on to make several circles bounding in a plowed field until a gear
leg broke. The resulting damage was enough to total the aircraft.
The gear leg broke because of a incorrect repair of the upper attach point that
was not noted in the log. We were glad that happened the way it did
The gear could have broken on any landing with a more disastrous result. The club
now has a C120 with electric start!
do not archive
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Gow
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 idle RPM
When starting the TCraft I was often alone. There were a couple of times I was
glad it was tied up - just a little too much throttle. When starting on the
lake in winter on skies I'd stand behind the prop with my hand in the cockpit
in case it started to move. With the Chief you couldn't reach inside from that
position because the door didn't fold flat against the fuselage. I've seen
a runaway plane - it's very scary.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 idle RPM
Walt,
Did you had kids? Remember when one (at kindergarten age), beeing a couple of
feets away from you or wife, runned to the street in a store and you chased
him before he got to the cars... thats desperate running!!! and was a little
kid and only a couple of feets away from you...
I know it happened to ALL of us that had kids, at least once... Got the idea?
Is there a way to search specificaly to runaway planes accidents in FAA page?
The only incident (type) here in our Club was years ago, a pusher with Rotax 912,
runned away about 20 feet and crashed to a metalic sheet wall of a hangar
and made a big bump, was a 7,000.00 dls repair bill just for the ultralight.
The hangar owner didnt want it repair, So future pilots could learn. Still
there to remind all of us about it. Never again a case here...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans"
Nah, the car is 15 feet away
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harvey Rule"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 idle RPM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Harvey Rule
>
>
> I trust while you are walking to the car to retrieve your helmet and
> goggles there is a qualified pilot sitting in the cockpit minding this
> aircraft for you????????????????
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans"
>
>>
>> Oscar,
>> After my rebuild for putting it in the piet, I had some problems getting
>> the idle mixture right. Had an approach at a low throttle setting, and
>> when I came on with the throttle for a fly-by, it stumbled, and belched
>> black smoke. Kind of scarey.
>> After I got it leaned to the correct (it seems) setting, It idles down
>> where my Mentor said was right,,,around 550/600.
>> It is a sweet sound, after you start and walk to the car to get helmet
>> and goggles, you turn and look at it just popping along, smooth as silk.
>> Hard to realize that it is 1945 technology.
>> Ain't life Grand?
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>> Still wish I could add a starter.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: " Oscar Zuniga"
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:44 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 idle RPM
>>
>>
>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
>>>
>>>
>>> Howdy again, Low 'n' Slow fliers-
>>>
>>> For those flying behind Continental A65s, what is the recommended idle
>>> RPM? I've got a rebuilt carb and will be setting the idle speed in a
>>> week or two, and need to know what these engines like.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: airdraft dope |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bed@mindspring.com" <bed@mindspring.com>
Rick, I noticed you live in Colorado. I am skiing at Keystone and thought
about trying to visit your Piet project tomorrow. Any ideas? It looks like
you are just south of Denver.
I am one of 6 Big Piet builders in Georgia.
Barry Davis
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rick Holland at7000ft@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
The PolyFiber system is the best, however many people have used exterior
latex house paint on their homebuilts successfully at a tenth the price. I
thought it was a joke when I first heard about it. Then I talked to a lot of
people including a Broadhead EAA chapter member who has built and restored
over a dozen planes. They sold me on the idea. I talked to a
Sherwin-Williams person about how long their paint lasts. He said their more
expensive acrilic latax is guaranteed for 25 years. Said that within the
last 5 years they have changed the chemistry of the paint to make it stay
more flexible so freezing and thawing won't effect it, which is just what we
want on our fabric.
I think Bernie would have approved of the idea.
Also many people just brush it on, no spray equipment to buy and maintain.
On 1/6/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <
> Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> I heartily concur with Gorden and highly recommend the Stits PolyFiber
> system. Good products and they won't burn. Once you've seen a
> demonstration of how fast fabric with butyrate or nitrate dope burns and
> then watch them hold a torch to fabric treated with their products you
> will become a believer. Check them out at: http://www.polyfiber.com/
> The distributor I used was Aircraft Technical Support, run by Jim and
> Dondi Miller. Great folks to work with. Their website is:
> http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> gbowen@ptialaska.net
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:45 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net"
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Douwe,
> Can only highly recommend the Stits system of "dopes", over the last 40
> years I've used nitrate dopes and epoxy systems, etc. But most happy
> with
> Stit's PVC system, get a HVLP spray gun with top loading of resin/dope
> and
> you won't go wrong. Think Stit's only has one price and bunches of
> suppliers. I buy my stuff from a large paint industrial/automotive
> paint
> supply house in Anchorage. Don't know where you are, but look in yellow
> pages for any DuPont or ICI automotive paint distributor (the big guys
> that
> supply the auto repair paint shops), Stits distributes their product
> thru
> some of these guys. And/or pull up Stit's website and look for their
> distributors in your area, they're cheaper than Spruce and the shipping
> problem of red label is eliminated. I didn't use Stits fabric, just
> plain
> Dacron polyester fabric from Airspruce.
> Gordon Bowen
> Homer AK
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Douwe Blumberg douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:09:18 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: airdraft dope
>
>
> Hey,
>
> Anyone have any ideas for the best price on aircraft dopes?
>
> Douwe
>
>
=====================================
=====================================
=====================================
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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generambo@msn.com
Gene:
I live very close to Lafayette, LA, and go there almost every day to check mail
& have coffee with friends. Jim Cooper
8040 LA Hwy 82
Youngsville, LA 70592
337-937-6116
Let me know what I can do to help. Jim
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| Subject: | Re: seat belts/harness. |
Hi Sterling,
Lets face it.... Airplanes are NOT designed to crash,,, The important thing
is to become proficient while flying and learn how your plane reacts in any emergency..
I say this because the human body only resists a limited amount of sudden impact
G's harness or not you might not survive a severe impact, but at list safety
harnessed to your seat :-).
Planes out of control are capable to add lots of speed VERY FAST before impact,
they are FALLING down... So the more important thing is to fly it down as
under control as much as our experience will allow us.
Newbies pilots think that BRS and Safety Harness will save their life, Bahhh
only learning and practicing emergency procedures will.
Fly it always untill is taxing to the platform ;-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Sterling <sterling@pgrb.com> wrote:
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Douwe...
I don't think anyone on this list will argue with you and most of us will say
safety is no hang-up...
I saw a Pietenpol last year that had been in a stall accident about 100 feet
off the ground whilst the pilot was trying to return to the grass strip he had
just taken off from, when learning a presidential TFR was in effect at Crawford
(not too far from Waco.) The pilot's face impacted the panel and although
I didn't see the chap's face, I hate to think what it looked like after the impact.
The aftermath was alarming. The panel was smashed up pretty good from the
fellow's face and this pilot only had a seat belt in his Piet.
My Piet only has a seat belt setup (I bought it as a project) and I plan on going
back into the fuselage to attach cables to the tail (much in the same way
you have described) in order to fabricate a shoulder harness. An A&P/IA suggested
this same method to me for attaching the shoulder harness.
I am confident my wife would leave me if my face got any uglier, thus the reason
for wanting the shoulder harness in my Air Camper.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: seat belts/harness
Ken,
I guess we all have our little "hang-ups" and safety harness is one of mine.
I've probably overengineered mine, but with that panel so close to my face, it
gives me more peace of mind.
I've fashioned a glass seat bottom with a scoop for my rump which is not only
much more comfortable, it also drops me down almost two inches into the cockpit.
Now, if I run the harness out the top of the turtle deck, the angle is right
and would minimize any spine compression, which is a possibility if the harness
originates much lower than one's shoulders.
I welded up a very light tubular pylon that mounts just inside the turtle deck,
to which my harness bolts. Then a cable runs from that bolt, back to the tailskid
mounting area.
If I remember correctly, the pilot's seat belt bolts through both the vertical
member with some ash blocking.
The passenger seat belt bolts through the bottom crossmember and through the
metal strap that runs between gear fittings on the bottom of the fuse.
I am planning on snapping my passenger's harness to the rear X bracing (rods
in my case), as this should spread any load between many fittings, but we'll see
if my inspector lets it go. That's a really hard spot to find a good anchor.
I do have some shots and drawings somewhere from England of a pretty nice
Piet installation. you'd have to plan very early since it really must be fitted
while the fuse is in the works. if you want, email me and I'll TRY to find
them.
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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