---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/08/06: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:20 AM - Re: Sitka Availability (John Egan) 2. 09:54 AM - Re: Re:Sitka spruce availability (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 3. 01:11 PM - Sitka Spruce (TBYH@AOL.COM) 4. 05:17 PM - Wing Rib Profile Measurements (Glenn Thomas) 5. 07:23 PM - Tool trivia (Mike Whaley) 6. 08:10 PM - Re: Steve (IE B-17 video) (Steve Ruse) 7. 08:34 PM - Re :Tool trivia (Michael Turrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:18 AM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sitka Availability About three years ago, I bought a 20' length of quarter sewn sitka for $90 from the following lumber yard in Stormville, New York: Condon M L CO Inc 55 South Greenhaven Road Stormville, NY 12582 845-221-8966 Maybe this will help people in that area... john --------------------------------- Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:35 AM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Sitka spruce availability --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" For any of you SE Pieter's I still have about 600 bf of Kachemak Bay AK, clear dried Sika Spruce down at my hanger in Palatka FL. 3/4" and 1 1/2" thick, 6" and 8" wide, all about 8' 2" long. It's all rough cut, direct from the sawmiller is just down the lane from my cabin in AK. We selected this wood based on grain direction and "ring count" from the core of the trees. Enough there to build a couple Piete's. I have about $2.00/bf in this material and will sell if for same price. Fills the bed of a pick-up truck up to about 10" deep. Offered to give some away last yr to some kid that wanted to get into woodworking and building wood planes, but didn't show up. If interested, let me know, or my plane building buddy in FL at 386-325-3208 Floyd Jackson. I'm in UT for the winter due to a family illness. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Dick Navratil horzpool@goldengate.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Sitka spruce availability --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" I've had very good luck with McCormack. Their people hve been very patient with me picking thru their stock and I've found excellent quality in the past. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack T. Textor" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re:Sitka spruce availability Mike I purchased some rough cut 1" spruce at McCormick Lumber in Madison last year. It Planed to 3/4". I think it was $4.50 a board foot. It had to pick through a lot to get decent stuff. It was dirty and played hell with my planer blades, Their 1 1/2 stock was pretty poor. Their web is http://www.mccormicklumber.com/index.htm. When talking with Andy, I don't believe he will ever order any more stock. Jack Textor Vice President Palmer Group 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Michael Turrell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Sitka spruce availability Thanks Corky,I called them and was told they don't carry aircraft grade Sitka any longer and any sitka ordered would be at my own risk as to quality.I was told that if they did special order aircraft grade ,it would be considerably more than the current $8.78/bd.ft. for the regular stuff so I will keep looking for the best deal I can find,There is a place in Western Canada that I have to look up also.The hunt is half the fun,or so I've been told ;-) Regards,Mike ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:02 PM PST US From: TBYH@AOL.COM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sitka Spruce About a year ago I bought Sitka from McCormack and I also paid about $4.50 a foot, maybe a dime or two more -- excellent lumber and although I was a novice, it was easy to pick out the good knot-free, straight grained, correct rings-per-inch stuff. I think a person would have to be pretty sloppy to not recognize inferior wood. Anyway, I hope that they continue to carry the Sitka as I will need to make another trip to get stock for the wing spars. They also carry West System epoxy, although I've found that here in La Crosse at Powerhouse Marine. I'm only a two-hour drive from Madison and it's a nice drive on a nice day -- I like to take old Highway 14 instead of I-90 -- it's kind of the equivalent of flying a Piet versus some 200 mph skyrocket. The older I get the slower I like to go in order to enjoy the scenery...and much less stressful. By the way, somebody mentioned shoulder harness pics the other day -- how do I access those pics? Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:16 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Profile Measurements Today while building my rib jig, I was plotting points according to Wing Plan (3/3/34) in the "Measurements of Wing Rib Profile" section (top). The tip of the LE is 1 1/2" up from the baseline. The second vertical is back 1/2" from the tip of the LE but no measurement is given from the baseline. Do you just eyeball it and do a manual curve fit based on the other points? Doesn't make sense that you would guess at it if other dimesions are given to the nearest 1/64" (the tip of my pencil is wider than that) It's a point in an area with a lot of bend so I don't like guessing. Also one drawing shows the total rib length of 60" but if you add up all the individual measurements for the verticals it comes out to 60 1/8". Am I quibbling? I read through the archives and didn't see anything on this but found another article regarding the 3/3/34 Plan profile being different than the full sized rib profile. Which do you go with? Thanks in advance, Glenn ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:36 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tool trivia --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" I normally don't forward stuff like this to lists, but I suspect that this one will strike a chord with many, many folks here... -Mike -------------------------------- Trivia on Tools DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar calluses in about the time it takes you to say, "Ouch...." ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of. WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been s searching for the last 15 minutes. HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new disk brake pads, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper. EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward off a hydraulic jack handle. TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters. PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbors to see if he has another hydraulic floor jack. SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog **** off your boot. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps off in bolt holes you couldn't use anyway. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the tensile strength on everything you forgot to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large prybar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. TROUBLE LIGHT: The home mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, it's main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last overtightened 58 years ago by someone at ERCO, and neatly rounds off their heads. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also the next tool that you will need. EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight, which somehow eases those pains and indignities following our every deficiency in foresight Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:27 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve (IE B-17 video) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse Thanks for the information Walt, I'm really glad to hear it! Both of my grandfathers fought in WWII, and I love to hear that one of their kind enjoyed it. That is why I volunteered on the B-17 crew, to help show them that some people remember their sacrifice (not to mention it is a blast to work on a B-17!). I worked on it for two years before I got my first flight! Thanks again, Steve Quoting walt evans : > Steve, > Few days ago while visiting my Mom in the nursing home, met a mother > and "son" who was visiting a resident. It turns out that this "son" > who I thought was in his 60's, was her husband in his 80's. Great > guy. Said that in 1941 he was a crew member on a B-17. Thought of > your video, and today made a CD of it and delivered it to him at the > home visiting his wife. He was as happy as a clam. Said he'd watch > it on his son-in-laws computer. Promised I'd take him flying in the > Piet in the spring. > Thanks for your efforts. You did good! > > Ain't Life Grand! > > walt evans > NX140DL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:13 PM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re :Tool trivia Lol,thanks for the laugh Mike,truer words were never spoken,and thanks to those that gave me sitka suppliers to chase down. Mike DO NOT ARCHIVE