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1. 03:44 AM - Smart Tool Level (Dave and Connie)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Sitka spruce availability (Bernadette)
3. 05:39 AM - Plan question (Jack T. Textor)
4. 10:50 AM - Re: Wing Rib Profile Measurements (Ed G.)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Plan question (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
6. 11:59 AM - Re: Wing Rib Profile Measurements ()
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Wing Rib Profile Measurements (Bill Church)
8. PM - ()
9. 03:44 PM - Smart tool (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
10. 06:02 PM - Re: Big Error, (Tom Stinemetze)
11. 07:07 PM - All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Smart Tool Level |
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| Subject: | Re: Sitka spruce availability |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bernadette" <docfont@voyager.net>
> From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Sitka spruce availability
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net"
<gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> For any of you SE Pieter's I still have about 600 bf of Kachemak Bay AK,
> clear dried Sika Spruce down at my hanger in Palatka FL. . Offered to
give some away last yr to some kid
> that wanted to get into woodworking and building wood planes, but didn't
> show up.
> Gordon Bowen
>
Yep, not sure if my son is the only kid into woodworking but Gordon is a
really nice guy who offered my 12 year old son and I some of the spruce
if we would stop by and pick it up. Unfortunately that was about the
time the price of gas was headed to over $3 a gallon and a trip from
Ohio to Florida just wasn't in the budget.
Meanwhile we did buy the "baragin spruce box" from Aircraft Spruce and
Specialty. I will be ripping and planing those pieces into capstrips at
the harp shop where I work part time (www.argentfox.com) to get started
on wing ribs for our project as soon as it gets warm enough this spring
to hang out in an unheated detached garage.
Thanks for all the tips, information and building information I have
gotten from this list.
I hope the day finds you well
DocFont
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Hi all,
Getting ready to order some additional wood for my fuselage. The 32 Manual shows
fuselage top and bottom braces at 1"x3/4". The improved plans indicate 1"x
=BD" unless otherwise indicated. I assume I go with the =BD", correct?
Thanks all!
Jack Textor
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
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| Subject: | Wing Rib Profile Measurements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Hi Glen..Welcome to Pietland..The wing chord is 60". If you try to do stuff
like expecting the individual dimensions to add up to the total length you
will just make yourself crazy. I don't remember the second verticle
measurement being missing, I can check my plan set for you when I get home
tonite or maybe someone else can get it for you sooner if it is there. If
you plot the dimensions out you will find that there is a low spot ( about
1/8") near the aft third of the upper cap strip. I plotted the points on a
piece of plywood and then drove a small nail partially into the wood at each
plotted point. Then I bent a 1/8" hardwood strip over the nails and ran a
pencil line along it to connect and average the points. There are lots of
Piets out there flying just fine with minutely different wing rib profiles.
Save your rib jig incase you ever need to replace a rib. I didn't use a full
size rib profile but I hear they are undependable because of the expansion
and contraction of the paper due to humidity changes. hope this helps...Ed
G.
>From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@charter.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Profile Measurements
>Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:12:17 -0500
>
>Today while building my rib jig, I was plotting points according to Wing
>Plan (3/3/34) in the "Measurements of Wing Rib Profile" section (top). The
>tip of the LE is 1 1/2" up from the baseline. The second vertical is back
>1/2" from the tip of the LE but no measurement is given from the baseline.
>Do you just eyeball it and do a manual curve fit based on the other points?
> Doesn't make sense that you would guess at it if other dimesions are
>given to the nearest 1/64" (the tip of my pencil is wider than that) It's
>a point in an area with a lot of bend so I don't like guessing. Also one
>drawing shows the total rib length of 60" but if you add up all the
>individual measurements for the verticals it comes out to 60 1/8". Am I
>quibbling?
>
>I read through the archives and didn't see anything on this but found
>another article regarding the 3/3/34 Plan profile being different than the
>full sized rib profile. Which do you go with?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Glenn
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| Subject: | Re: Plan question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
I did the 1/2"... Question is, in what orientation? I wouldn't think it would
matter. If it's the braces I think you're referring to, I installed mine with
the 1/2" up and down and the 1" left and right.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Wing Rib Profile Measurements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <glennthomas@charter.net>
Thanks a lot Ed,
---- "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't remember the second verticle
> measurement being missing, ...
The distance between the 2 crossings of the 2nd vertical is given but not the distance
from the baseline to the bottom of the profile.
Thanks,
Glenn
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| Subject: | Wing Rib Profile Measurements |
Glenn,
This missing dimension caused me to pause as well. I plugged all the
given co-ordinates into a CAD program and joined them up and
approximated the curve at the leading edge. Based on this CAD drawing I
could measure a theoretical dimension for that point. I also compared
against the full-size rib profile, which I found to be not very precise
overall (at the time I measured, the overall length was about 1/4"
short). But the general shape at the front is pretty close, since the
length was only out by less than half a percent (1/4 divided by 60
.004, or .4%). What I ended up using was 1/2" from the baseline. That
seemed to give a pretty good smooth curve. In any case, that dimension
falls in the leading edge, not on the capstrip area, so it doesn't
impact directly on the rib jig profile.
I'm not sure why there are dimensions given in 64ths of an inch. Most
Pietenpols operate at sub-sonic speeds, I believe. : ) After all, these
things are built out of wood. The most important aspect of the rib
profile is that they are all the same, down the length of the wing. I
don't think that it would make a huge difference in performance if you
were out by 1/32" here or there. As for the dimensions not adding up, I
think it's so that the wing will match the fuselage. : ) (if you add
those up on the side view, as I remember they don't match the dimensions
given for the top view - don't have the drawings in front of me, just
going from memory - hope I remembered that right). I think I took the
extra 1/8" out of the last section, to end up with 60" overall. (the
actual size and profile of your leading and trailing edges will
determine your final overall chord of your wing, and if it ends up 1/8"
big or small, it will be inconsequential)
I ended up using the dimensioned drawing (Wing Plan (3/3/34)) to create
my rib profile for my jig (lofted directly onto a piece of MDF), and I
used the full size template to determine approximate locations for the
diagonals, since they don't have any dimensions anywhere. From the
discussions I have read, you'd be fine if you built using the full size
template, even if it was 1/4" big or small - as long as all the ribs
were consistant. That's why you'll want to hang onto your rib jig when
you're finished, in case you ever need to make a replacement or two.
Only your jig will give you ribs that EXACTLY fit your wing.
Bill
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Thomas
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Profile Measurements
Today while building my rib jig, I was plotting points according to Wing
Plan (3/3/34) in the "Measurements of Wing Rib Profile" section (top).
The tip of the LE is 1 1/2" up from the baseline. The second vertical
is back 1/2" from the tip of the LE but no measurement is given from the
baseline. Do you just eyeball it and do a manual curve fit based on the
other points? Doesn't make sense that you would guess at it if other
dimesions are given to the nearest 1/64" (the tip of my pencil is wider
than that) It's a point in an area with a lot of bend so I don't like
guessing. Also one drawing shows the total rib length of 60" but if you
add up all the individual measurements for the verticals it comes out to
60 1/8". Am I quibbling?
I read through the archives and didn't see anything on this but found
another article regarding the 3/3/34 Plan profile being different than
the full sized rib profile. Which do you go with?
Thanks in advance,
Glenn
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Hi Dave. The Smart Tool level has really gone up. I gave around 100
bucks for mine from one of the aircraft tool venders at Oshkosh 3 years
ago. It reads to the 10th of a degree and its fun to read the level
showing 0.00 when an item is level. You can't get that close with a
bubble level. Rocket science stuff, but not really needed to build a
Pietenpol. If you have money to burn go ahead and get one. Leon S. in
Kansas
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Don't apologize for "that Cajun Stuff". That was GREAT.
Tom Stinemetze
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Pieters,
That Cajun stuff was sent unintentional with the last E mail.
Please excuse
my computer error and ignorance,
Corky the Cajun in Louisiana
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| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
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