---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/15/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:54 AM - Looking for Lee (Rcaprd@aol.com) 2. 07:33 AM - Christmas book idea-Nate Saint (Matt Naiva) 3. 10:21 AM - Re: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. (Glenn Thomas) 4. 12:49 PM - Re: Looking for Lee (gcardinal) 5. 01:14 PM - Re: Looking for Lee (Jim Markle) 6. 02:57 PM - Re: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. (Alan Lyscars) 7. 03:00 PM - Seat belts and harnesses (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 05:25 PM - Re: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. (Graham Hansen) 9. 05:34 PM - transportability (Scott S.) 10. 06:23 PM - Re: transportability (Sterling) 11. 07:14 PM - Re: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. (Alan Lyscars) 12. 07:32 PM - Re:Sitka spruce availability (Matt Naiva) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:26 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Lee Hey, does anyone know the last name of Lee ? He's the guy from Brodhead, that sells the really nice Polo shirts, with your N number on them. Maybe even an e-mail address ? Chuck G. NX770CG p.s. going to be in the high 60's today in Wichita !! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:15 AM PST US From: Matt Naiva Subject: Pietenpol-List: Christmas book idea-Nate Saint --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Naiva Oscar, Thanks for this book recommendation, I received mine January 5th and finished reading the book January 8th 50 years to the date Nate and company lost their lives. This weekend their is an epic movie in the theaters documenting the ordeal called "End of the Spear". http://www.endofthespear.com/ Books on Mission Aviation are always an interesting read of lives lived on the the edge for greater calling. Regards, Matt "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Christmas book idea For those who might be looking for a stocking stuffer book idea, try Russell Hitt's book "Jungle Pilot" (available from Amazon.com, among others). Corvair/KR builder-pilot Bill Clapp would certainly know what this book is about; the life of missionary pilot Nate Saint, a pilot with Missionary Aviation Fellowship who died in Ecuador. If you've looked at Glenda McElwee's website, she mentions a trip that she and Bill are planning to fly, down to Ecuador. Bill is familiar with that part of the world! Nate Saint developed an ingenious backup fuel system for use in small, single-engine aircraft that are flown over inhospitable terrain. Missionary Aviation Fellowship used this system on aircraft that they operated, and for all I know they may still be using it. Nate felt that there were enough incidents and accidents caused by fuel system problems that a backup system was justified, so he developed a scheme that uses a small auxiliary fuel tank piped directly to the engine intake, bypassing the fuel selector valve, gascolator, and everything else that can get crudded up along the way. It's controlled by a manual valve, similar to mixture control. He also developed an ingenious way to lower things from a circling airplane to the ground below, using a line and bucket, but that would be giving away the details in the book... ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.ne ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:47 AM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. Group, This cowling is made from .032" commercial soft aluminum and has survived 750 flying hours over a period of 35 years. The picture was taken on November 15, 2000---the thirtieth anniversary of its first flight. The engine is a Continental C 85. The upper cowl is made of three pieces: top center portion and two sides. The lower cowl is a single piece of sheet aluminum, with a segment below the propeller cut out and the resulting lap joint riveted together. The only compound curvature is in the top center piece which was made by hammer, sand bag and dolly. If I were to do it again, I'd extend this compound curvature further aft to minimize the "break" in the upper cowl line at the firewall. Otherwise, I'd change nothing in the basic design and construction. This cowling is light in weight and relatively easy to make. Construction paper was used for a "mockup". Patterns were made and then transferred to the sheet metal. If anyone is interested, I can perhaps find a more detailed photo and maybe cobble together a sketch of its construction. Graham Hansen The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Mail0008.JPG Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:40 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Lee Would that be Lee Stenson? I don't have contact info. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Lee Hey, does anyone know the last name of Lee ? He's the guy from Brodhead, that sells the really nice Polo shirts, with your N number on them. Maybe even an e-mail address ? Chuck G. NX770CG p.s. going to be in the high 60's today in Wichita !! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:14 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Lee Lee Stenson - (608) 897-4000 - N2463 Brodhead Airpt Rd, Brodhead, WI 53520 ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Lee Would that be Lee Stenson? I don't have contact info. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Lee Hey, does anyone know the last name of Lee ? He's the guy from Brodhead, that sells the really nice Polo shirts, with your N number on them. Maybe even an e-mail address ? Chuck G. NX770CG p.s. going to be in the high 60's today in Wichita !! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:43 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. Graham, Could you please send along any pics/diagrams you have direct? Thanks, Alan Lyscars ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Thomas To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. Group, This cowling is made from .032" commercial soft aluminum and has survived 750 flying hours over a period of 35 years. The picture was taken on November 15, 2000---the thirtieth anniversary of its first flight. The engine is a Continental C 85. The upper cowl is made of three pieces: top center portion and two sides. The lower cowl is a single piece of sheet aluminum, with a segment below the propeller cut out and the resulting lap joint riveted together. The only compound curvature is in the top center piece which was made by hammer, sand bag and dolly. If I were to do it again, I'd extend this compound curvature further aft to minimize the "break" in the upper cowl line at the firewall. Otherwise, I'd change nothing in the basic design and construction. This cowling is light in weight and relatively easy to make. Construction paper was used for a "mockup". Patterns were made and then transferred to the sheet metal. If anyone is interested, I can perhaps find a more detailed photo and maybe cobble together a sketch of its construction. Graham Hansen The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Mail0008.JPG Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:47 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat belts and harnesses --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Chris asks- >If 41CC has shoulder belts, any idea why the pilot hit the instrument >panel? I believe the belts were not as snug as they should have been. I've tried it myself, sitting in the cockpit, and if I don't cinch them down fairly well I can lean forward far enough for my head to get close. I'm sure that in a sudden stop, things get stretched forward enough that they can make contact. The Piet cockpit is not huge by any means. In the world of computer technicians, there is what they call "PEBCAK error" ("problem exists between chair and keyboard"); aka "user error". I'm sure there is a parallel n the Piet world, maybe "PEBSAS", or "problem exists between seat and stick" ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:53 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. To Alan Lyscars, Please send me your E-mail address so that I can respond directly to your request. Graham Hansen ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:08 PM PST US From: "Scott S." Subject: Pietenpol-List: transportability Upon covering the 3-piece wing, do you essentially end up with a one piece wing? I'm trying to get a handle on transportability...not that you could tow it to the airport and attach the wings every time you wanted to fly; I know it's more involved than that. Just seems it would be convenient to have detachable wings, even if it took 3-4 hours to attach them. It would open up some options to a guy like me who's not liking the idea of $150 (or more!) hangar fees every month, not to mention the lengthy waiting list for hangar space at my local airport. Appreciate you guys indulging my ignorance on this stuff. :-) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:10 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: transportability Not practical at all, removing wings and hauling it home, then hauling it back to the airport. But if you want to design a trailer for hauling an aircamper, mine has hauled three from Gerogia to Texas, Arizona to Texas and Kansas to Texas... plus several other airplanes... Copy my trailer, here is a picture. For $150 a month in hanger fees, heck, you can buy acreage in Texas and build your own airport/hanger! Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch 5TA6 San Antonio Sectional ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott S. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: transportability Upon covering the 3-piece wing, do you essentially end up with a one piece wing? I'm trying to get a handle on transportability...not that you could tow it to the airport and attach the wings every time you wanted to fly; I know it's more involved than that. Just seems it would be convenient to have detachable wings, even if it took 3-4 hours to attach them. It would open up some options to a guy like me who's not liking the idea of $150 (or more!) hangar fees every month, not to mention the lengthy waiting list for hangar space at my local airport. Appreciate you guys indulging my ignorance on this stuff. :-) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:03 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. Thanks, Graham, My email is alyscars@maine.rr.com Yours! ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The nose knows"...my Pietenpol cowling. To Alan Lyscars, Please send me your E-mail address so that I can respond directly to your request. Graham Hansen ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Sitka spruce availability From: "Matt Naiva" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Matt Naiva" I have not done business with public lumber but if you ordered a couple of 2x6 x20 foot boards I am sure you could manage 1.6 Piets of so. Have three long boards shipped to your home for about $425 total. A Pietenpol is a bird of tradition, enjoy the process! Bernie himself had nice local wood 2x4 and 2x6 of spuce and western hemlock, he cut them up himself and built a great Airplane. While the good stuff is not available locally building 1.6 or so Piets for $400ish is not all that bad! Get yorrself a thin cerf blade and you could probably build two! http://www.publiclumber.com/aasitsprucve.html As always you must grade the wood yourself in the end. Shipping at 14 feet requires a truck and gets expensive so buy enough for two piets and share the cost! You must buy the whole length of the board. Seemed like reasonable people on the phone not afraid to talk airplane use but I don't think they will "certify" anything. Neither will Aircraft spruce! You are buying the experince thier mill workers have sorting for the aircraft industry. Western Aircraft in Canada sells a premium kit of first class stock milled to dimension for a Piet as well as planks. They ship everthing Airmail and I am told it always arrives in good shape. Roughly $120 airfreight. http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Sources/WesternAircraft.html Since I live in Wisconsin I am sorry to hear McCormick is getting so pricy! http://www.mccormicklumber.com/sitka-spruce.htm May your sawdust eventaully be carried aloft and catch a good tail wind! Lets all get out to the shop an remove the parts of the wood that don't look like an airplane! Matt Formerly posted under steamlaunch(at)softhome.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4295#4295