Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:25 AM - Firewall Forward & Bingelis on Engines (Michael D Cuy)
2. 06:42 AM - A Google idea for new builders and Piet nuts in general (Michael D Cuy)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Nav questions (Steve Ruse)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Piet needed for photo project (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: Piet needed for photo project (Mark Blackwell)
6. 09:13 AM - Westach gauges (Rick Holland)
7. 11:23 AM - fuel tank (Kenneth M. Heide)
8. 12:04 PM - new Piet builders (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 12:21 PM - inspection covers in wings, etc (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 12:28 PM - Re: piet for sale again (Carl Vought)
11. 12:49 PM - Re: inspection covers in wings, etc (Phillips, Jack)
12. 02:03 PM - westach gauges (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 02:14 PM - Re: Westach gauges (Dick Navratil)
14. 02:45 PM - Re: new Piet builders (Steve Glass)
15. 03:33 PM - Re: Westach gauges (Rcaprd@aol.com)
16. 03:35 PM - Re: fuel tank (Rick Holland)
17. 04:07 PM - Re: new Piet builders (Glenn Thomas)
18. 05:15 PM - Re: Westach gauges (Sterling)
19. 06:58 PM - Re: Westach gauges (Rick Holland)
20. 07:05 PM - Re: fuel tank (Catdesign)
21. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: new Piet builders (Rick Holland)
22. 07:20 PM - Re: fuel tank (Catdesign)
23. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: new Piet builders (Catdesign)
24. 07:44 PM - Re: fuel tank (Catdesign)
25. 07:51 PM - Re: fuel tank (Rick Holland)
26. 08:07 PM - Re: Firewall Forward & Bingelis on Engines (Rick Holland)
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward & Bingelis on Engines |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Glenn & group,
It was funny to read your post saying that things go thru your mind pretty
much all the time regarding the Pietenpol
construction. I can't tell you how many times I was out and about like
sitting in a doctors office, attending some meeting or
conference, doing bills at my desk at home, and I'd be sketching out an
idea, then another idea or design, and let it gel in my
mind for a few days before ultimately deciding on how to tackle a step like
fuel tank shape, trim ideas, instrument layout, brake
pedal arrangement and more. I saved all of those notes and when I look
back I realize why I selected certain designs over other chicken
scratch ideas. That portion of the project---being creative in solving
various building issues, was very enjoyable and rewarding.
With regard to how relevant the 2 engine books might be to your Corvair
installation, I'm sure you could complete your project
without having those two books on hand, but I would still very much
recommend having them because they will cover other things
like how to make, attach, hinge, and properly install a light weight
all-aluminum or aluminum/fiberglass cowling and nosebowl.
Those books will cover mag timing, prop installation, torquing and
safetying your prop--along with selecting the right AN prop
bolts. You'll get tips on carbs, carb installation, fabricating a carb air
box complete with air filter and carb heat ideas and
options...you'll learn how to make your firewall more
fire-retardent..you'll learn how to install all of your engine instruments,
tach
cables,senders,lines, throttle and carb/cabin heat (if you choose) bowden
cable runs. He talks about mag timing, proper gascolator
location and installation, he covers how to see if your gravity fuel system
supplies enough flow at your carburetor---and this test
will help you determine what your useable and unusable fuel loads will
be----for certain. Okay..end of sermon !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | A Google idea for new builders and Piet nuts in general |
When you are building a scratch-built plane like the Pietenpol, there are
so many things you have to
decide on and so many personal ways you can make them unique and give your
plane character
without compromising airworthiness.
One of the best ways to see how other builders did things or applied
cosmetic engineering or design
is to, of course, take your video camera, still camera, tape measure, and
note pad to Brodhead for
a year, preferably more.
For those of you though who have not been to Brodhead or know already that
they will not be able
to go this summer, there is an excellent way to look at what others have
posted photo-wise about
their Pietenpols.
If you go to Google.com and see all the choices above the box where you
enter what you want
to search for you'll see "IMAGES". Click on that and then enter things
like Pietenpol, Piet, Pietenpol
Air Camper, Pietenpol Aircamper, GN-1, Grega, Grega Aircamper, and see
what you get......for
that matter type in "Model A Ford engine" "Corvair engine"...
Type in your old girlfriends name then..and she if she comes up anywhere:))
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Nav questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
I sent this a couple of days ago but I never saw it on the list...if it
has come
through twice then I apologize:
Ben,
I use an Airmap 500, mounted on the cabane with the RAM mount that came
with the
GPS. It works great, and was great when I was learning to fly the
plane across
800 miles unfamiliar territory.
Here is a picture of the GPS, climbing out of Siloam Springs, AR, last April.
Note the
groundspeed, 25.9MPH, at cruise RPM (2,350RPM, A-75).
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/2005AprilPietTrip/DSC01413.jpg
Had a slight headwind that day. It was day three of owning my plane, and I
still had the GPS strapped to my leg. Definitely don't get anything bigger
than an AirMap 500, it won't fit in the cockpit. I don't know what I'd
do with
an Airmap 1000 in there.
Steve Ruse
N6383J - Norman, OK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ben Ramler
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:59 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nav questions
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Seeing how that the Pietenpo Aircamper is really for VFR flights I
> was wondering if anybody uses a GPS? If so what kind are using? I was
> looking at the Lowarence AirMap 500, Airmap 1000, and a garmin V.
> Also I would like to announce that I'm a EAA member as of yesterday.
>
> thanks,
>
> Ben Ramler
> EAA # 793475
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet needed for photo project |
CC: taildrags@hotmail.com
I have some ground and air to air shots of my old Piet now owned by Oscar
Zuniga @ cc above. With his permission I would be pleased to email you several
pics
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Piet needed for photo project |
Thanks but I wanted to take my own new photos. I appreciate the offer though.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Cc: taildrags@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet needed for photo project
I have some ground and air to air shots of my old Piet now owned by Oscar Zuniga
@ cc above. With his permission I would be pleased to email you several pics
Corky
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Am looking for engine gauges for the Corvair engine going in my Piet. Does
anyone have experience with Westach gauges? Seem to cost about the same as
Autometer gauges but are specifically for aircraft.
Thank you
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Hello Fellow Piet's:
My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in our piets?
Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the piet? Are
other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so describe and
inform if you would please.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | new Piet builders |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Scott, Glenn, you other new builders-
It really helps if you provide some idea of where you're located so you can
hook up with other builders. City and state are fine (or country, if you're
a furriner). Happy building!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
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| Subject: | inspection covers in wings, etc |
Hey guys,
I'm taping and installing inspection covers etc in my wing in prep for spraying.
I'd like to install all the covers I might ever need, so please pipe up with any
things you've learned by owning one for a while. What you are glad you did,
what you wish you had done.
Also, how did you guys fair the opening for the ailerong cable where it exits the
wing and goes to the aileron control horn.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: piet for sale again |
Hi Carl Loar...I have had pretty much the same experience. I waited too late in
life to start my Piet(s), but the timing was dictated by the passage of the legislation
regarding Sport Pilots. I've got two and I doubt I'll ever fly either
one, so mine are for sale too. This getting old is great for the independence
it brings, but the health issues suck!!!...Carl Vought
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again
Greetings All,
It's been a while since I have posted, although I still love reading the posts
all of you
put in here. Last year, because of my health, I decided to try to sell my piet
project.
I put it on Ebay and got a buyer but he backed out after the auction was over.
This left me mixed feelings, great I still have it and POed because he blew others
off that
were bidding also. Anyway, I have decided again that as much as I want to finish
it and
fly it, I'm not physically capable anymore of doing that. So, I have decided
to ask in here
first if anyone is looking for a project that needs work,( been in the hanger
for two years now)
and looking rough, but it has a good corvair on it with prop, all instruments,
horrible paint job,
but has great potential to give someone a great finishing project and years of
fun flying.
I will have to dig out some pics of it, but some old pics of when I was building
it can be found
here, http://members.core.com/~skycarl/pietpage1.html
I am asking 3500$ for it. The buyer will have to go and pull the wings and trailer
it home.
I would rather see it bought here than on ebay so I will wait a while before
going that route.
It is currently hangered at Betz airfield, Blissfield Michigan... about 30miles
nw of Toledo, OH.
Take care all
Carl Loar
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| Subject: | inspection covers in wings, etc |
Hi Douwe,
I put an inspection ring everywhere ont he bottom of the wing that I
thought I would ever need access. Most will never get cut out, but it
is easy to add the rings at this stage - much more difficult once it is
painted. I put inspection rings at every location there is a fitting
inside the wing - where the drag/anti-drag wires attach, and under the
aileron cable pulleys. Since mine is a 3-piece wing, I also put some
rings (which were cut open) in line with the places where I needed to
re-attach my aileron cables to the centersection.
For the places where the cables exit the fabric (ailerons on the wings
and rudder and elevators on the fuselage), I made a teardrop shaped
piece of aluminum with an elongated hole for the cable and glued it to
the fabric with Poly-Tak, then laid a pinked edge piece of fabric over
the aluminum. Worked very well.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection covers in wings, etc
Hey guys,
I'm taping and installing inspection covers etc in my wing in prep for
spraying.
I'd like to install all the covers I might ever need, so please pipe up
with any things you've learned by owning one for a while. What you are
glad you did, what you wish you had done.
Also, how did you guys fair the opening for the ailerong cable where it
exits the wing and goes to the aileron control horn.
Thanks,
Douwe
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Westach gauges have been around for a long time, so I'm sure you can't
go wrong with them. I am using a Westach electric tachometer that I
bought from Wicks. It uses a small generator that goes on the tach cable
fitting on the engine, then is connected to the gauge by wires,
eliminating the necessity of routing a heavy bulky tach cable, (and 90
degree fittings etc,) Leon S. in Ks.
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| Subject: | Re: Westach gauges |
Hi Rick
I have a Westtach quad guage on my new project. I have Amps, oil press, oil temp
and CHT. On the CHT I installed a rotory switch so I can read each cyl.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Westach gauges
Am looking for engine gauges for the Corvair engine going in my Piet. Does anyone
have experience with Westach gauges? Seem to cost about the same as Autometer
gauges but are specifically for aircraft.
Thank you
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | new Piet builders |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
Hi Everybody.
I'm a new as yet unstarted builder gathering information. I live in
Jonesport Maine close to the New Brunswick Canada Border. I'm currently
staying in Ontario Oregon. I would welcome the chance to see a project up
close, anybody in the Idaho, Oregon area?
Best regards
Steve G
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: new Piet builders
>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:02:58 -0600
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Scott, Glenn, you other new builders-
>
>It really helps if you provide some idea of where you're located so you can
>hook up with other builders. City and state are fine (or country, if
>you're a furriner). Happy building!
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Westach gauges |
In a message dated 1/27/2006 11:15:09 AM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Does anyone have experience with Westach gauges?
Rick,
I installed Westach CHT and EGT in my panel last summer. Works fine, no
squawks. I was planning on dressing warm, and searching the sky for the Absolute
ceiling of my plane, in order to do some flying in the Rocky Mountain Bumps.
I haven't found the ceiling yet...had 'er up to 6700 msl, forgot to dress
warm, too cold & scary up there, pull power and do some steep turns on the way
down. I'll be heading back up there this spring.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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I have been looking at the race car fuel cells sold at places like Summit
Racing. Here is a 16 gal. model that's made of polyethylene, is made to be
crash resistant, has a sump in the bottom, has built in indentations for
stainless steel hold down (or up) straps, and uses all AN fittings. And its
only $149.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=3DRCI-2160D&x=3D0&y=3D0&searchinresults=3Dfalse&Ntk=3DKeywordSearch&DDS=3D1&N=3D115&target=3Degnsearch.asp
Something like this has got to be far more leak and crash proof than
anything I could build. If anyone has used a tank like this in an aircraft
let us know.
Rick H
On 1/27/06, Kenneth M. Heide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Fellow Piet's:
>
> My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in our
> piets? Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the piet?
> Are other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so
> describe and inform if you would please.
>
> Ken Heide
> Fargo, ND
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: new Piet builders |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
I've made a few, probably typical newbie, posts on the list and actually found
another builder in Connecticut from this list. This is by far the most sparsely
populated part of the country as far as Piet builders go. I'm in Storrs, CT.
I've been trying to meet up with the other builder in CT an hour or so from
me but synchronizing schedules has been difficult. I would be willing to drive
a couple of hours to see one completed or in any stage of the building process.
There is one gentleman in New Jersey that I will be meeting up with when
things thaw out here. If I find myself having to do some business travel I'll
probably be begging for someone in that area to give up some time to show
me their plane.
I keep a running diary of my project at http://www.flyingwood.com
Beware that since I'm just getting started there isn't much there yet but beginning
Monday when THE FIRST SHIPMENT OF WOOD ARRIVES!!! I'll actually have some
progress to show. Since I'm new to all this (plane building but not necessarily
woodworking or mechanics) I thought having a place to display pictures of
what I'm doing will give me a way to verify that what I'm doing is considered
mainstream. I still have a lot of questions about incremental inspections as
I complete different parts of the plane. I'm on frappr and have a profile here
in the list. This project is the coolest thing I've ever done and this list
is the best resource I could have ever expected to find.
Thanks Oscar,
Glenn Thomas
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7437#7437
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| Subject: | Re: Westach gauges |
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick:
I "inherited" a Piet project destined for a Corvair engine (but abandoned for my
Continental A-80) and the project had VDO guages. They were the coolest looking
set of guages I've seen in a Piet and they looked somewhat 1930s/40 vintage.
Contact Oscar Zuniga for details. I sold the Corvair package to him.
As far as Westach... been flying with them since 1990 and had great success with
them in both an airplane I built and a Cherokee.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Westach gauges
Am looking for engine gauges for the Corvair engine going in my Piet. Does anyone
have experience with Westach gauges? Seem to cost about the same as Autometer
gauges but are specifically for aircraft.
Thank you
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Westach gauges |
Thanks for the info on the Westach gauges. So, you think getting your Piet
up to 6700 ft. is a big deal? The elevation of the airport that I will be
flying out of is at 6874 ft! (Meadow Lake near Colorado Springs):
http://www.airnav.com/airport/00V
So on a 90 degree day the density altitude is around 10,500 ft. and you are
still on the ground! And you're not even in the mountains yet. Better get
some electric underwear (I already have mine).
Rick H
Castle Rock, CO
On 1/27/06, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/27/2006 11:15:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> Does anyone have experience with Westach gauges?
>
> Rick,
> I installed Westach CHT and EGT in my panel last summer. Works fine, no
> squawks. I was planning on dressing warm, and searching the sky for the
> Absolute ceiling of my plane, in order to do some flying in the Rocky
> Mountain Bumps. I haven't found the ceiling yet...had 'er up to 6700 msl,
> forgot to dress warm, too cold & scary up there, pull power and do some
> steep turns on the way down. I'll be heading back up there this spring.
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's (Oregon) used a plastic
fuel cell for boats.
Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and see
http://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.html
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
I have been looking at the race car fuel cells sold at places like Summit Racing.
Here is a 16 gal. model that's made of polyethylene, is made to be crash
resistant, has a sump in the bottom, has built in indentations for stainless steel
hold down (or up) straps, and uses all AN fittings. And its only $149.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=3DRCI-2160D&x=3D0&y=3D0&searchinresults=3Dfalse&Ntk=3DKeywordSearch&DDS=3D1&N=3D115&target=3Degnsearch.asp
Something like this has got to be far more leak and crash proof than anything
I could build. If anyone has used a tank like this in an aircraft let us know.
Rick H
On 1/27/06, Kenneth M. Heide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Fellow Piet's:
My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in our
piets? Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the piet? Are
other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so describe and
inform if you would please.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: new Piet builders |
Glenn
Connecticut could not be more sparse for general aviation and Piet builders
that Colorado. What really helps is this newsgroup and all the Piet builder
websites and photos available. The best thing to do though is go to the Piet
gathering each year at Broadhead the weekend before AirVenture. You can take
hundreds of pictures and get every question you can come up with answered.
Congrats on getting you project started.
On 1/27/06, Glenn Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <
> glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> I've made a few, probably typical newbie, posts on the list and actually
> found another builder in Connecticut from this list. This is by far the
> most sparsely populated part of the country as far as Piet builders go. I'm
> in Storrs, CT. I've been trying to meet up with the other builder in CT an
> hour or so from me but synchronizing schedules has been difficult. I would
> be willing to drive a couple of hours to see one completed or in any stage
> of the building process. There is one gentleman in New Jersey that I will
> be meeting up with when things thaw out here. If I find myself having to do
> some business travel I'll probably be begging for someone in that area to
> give up some time to show me their plane.
>
> I keep a running diary of my project at http://www.flyingwood.com
> Beware that since I'm just getting started there isn't much there yet but
> beginning Monday when THE FIRST SHIPMENT OF WOOD ARRIVES!!! I'll actually
> have some progress to show. Since I'm new to all this (plane building but
> not necessarily woodworking or mechanics) I thought having a place to
> display pictures of what I'm doing will give me a way to verify that what
> I'm doing is considered mainstream. I still have a lot of questions about
> incremental inspections as I complete different parts of the plane. I'm on
> frappr and have a profile here in the list. This project is the coolest
> thing I've ever done and this list is the best resource I could have ever
> expected to find.
>
> Thanks Oscar,
>
> Glenn Thomas
>
> --------
> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D7437#7437
>
>
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Castle Rock, CO
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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found it go here http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/feb_02.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesign
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's (Oregon) used a
plastic fuel cell for boats.
Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and see
http://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.html
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
I have been looking at the race car fuel cells sold at places like Summit Racing.
Here is a 16 gal. model that's made of polyethylene, is made to be crash
resistant, has a sump in the bottom, has built in indentations for stainless
steel hold down (or up) straps, and uses all AN fittings. And its only $149.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=3DRCI-2160D&x=3D0&y=3D0&searchinresults=3Dfalse&Ntk=3DKeywordSearch&DDS=3D1&N=3D115&target=3Degnsearch.asp
Something like this has got to be far more leak and crash proof than anything
I could build. If anyone has used a tank like this in an aircraft let us know.
Rick H
On 1/27/06, Kenneth M. Heide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Fellow Piet's:
My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in our
piets? Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the piet?
Are other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so describe
and inform if you would please.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: new Piet builders |
Heck, even in California, land of a billion people, I'm an island unto my self..
Walt Bowe, about an hours drive is the only Piet I have found near me (1+
hours drive), and this is after 5 years of searching....
Walt hasn't put up a picture of his incredible A powered Piet he finished this
summer so I will, hopefully he does not mind. This is a very nice Piet and a
great guy who let my 4 year old son sit in his new plane. Brave soul. Hey Walt
you out there? Mind if I post more pictures to the photo share? It's built
to the original Flying and Glider plans. He also has an old A powered truck to
go with it.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: new Piet builders
Glenn
Connecticut could not be more sparse for general aviation and Piet builders that
Colorado. What really helps is this newsgroup and all the Piet builder websites
and photos available. The best thing to do though is go to the Piet gathering
each year at Broadhead the weekend before AirVenture. You can take hundreds
of pictures and get every question you can come up with answered.
Congrats on getting you project started.
On 1/27/06, Glenn Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com > wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" < glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
I've made a few, probably typical newbie, posts on the list and actually found
another builder in Connecticut from this list. This is by far the most sparsely
populated part of the country as far as Piet builders go. I'm in Storrs,
CT. I've been trying to meet up with the other builder in CT an hour or so
from me but synchronizing schedules has been difficult. I would be willing
to drive a couple of hours to see one completed or in any stage of the building
process. There is one gentleman in New Jersey that I will be meeting up with
when things thaw out here. If I find myself having to do some business travel
I'll probably be begging for someone in that area to give up some time to show
me their plane.
I keep a running diary of my project at http://www.flyingwood.com
Beware that since I'm just getting started there isn't much there yet but beginning
Monday when THE FIRST SHIPMENT OF WOOD ARRIVES!!! I'll actually have
some progress to show. Since I'm new to all this (plane building but not necessarily
woodworking or mechanics) I thought having a place to display pictures
of what I'm doing will give me a way to verify that what I'm doing is considered
mainstream. I still have a lot of questions about incremental inspections
as I complete different parts of the plane. I'm on frappr and have a profile
here in the list. This project is the coolest thing I've ever done and this
list is the best resource I could have ever expected to find.
Thanks Oscar,
Glenn Thomas
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D7437#7437
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, CO
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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go here too http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/apr_02.html guess I should have read more before my last email
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesign
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
found it go here http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/feb_02.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesign
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's (Oregon) used
a plastic fuel cell for boats.
Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and see
http://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.html
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
I have been looking at the race car fuel cells sold at places like Summit
Racing. Here is a 16 gal. model that's made of polyethylene, is made to be crash
resistant, has a sump in the bottom, has built in indentations for stainless
steel hold down (or up) straps, and uses all AN fittings. And its only $149.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=3DRCI-2160D&x=3D0&y=3D0&searchinresults=3Dfalse&Ntk=3DKeywordSearch&DDS=3D1&N=3D115&target=3Degnsearch.asp
Something like this has got to be far more leak and crash proof than anything
I could build. If anyone has used a tank like this in an aircraft let us
know.
Rick H
On 1/27/06, Kenneth M. Heide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Fellow Piet's:
My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in
our piets? Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the piet?
Are other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so describe
and inform if you would please.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Thanks Chris, the polyethylene tanks they used don't look much different
than the gas can I use to store my lawn mower gas.
On 1/27/06, Catdesign <catdesign@intergate.com> wrote:
>
> As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's
> (Oregon) used a plastic fuel cell for boats.
>
> Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and
> see
> http://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.html
>
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2006 3:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
>
> I have been looking at the race car fuel cells sold at places like Summit
> Racing. Here is a 16 gal. model that's made of polyethylene, is made to be
> crash resistant, has a sump in the bottom, has built in indentations for
> stainless steel hold down (or up) straps, and uses all AN fittings. And its
> only $149.
>
> http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=3DRCI-2160D&x=3D0&y=3D0&searchinresults=3Dfalse&Ntk=3DKeywordSearch&DDS=3D1&N=3D115&target=3Degnsearch.asp
>
> <http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=3DRCI-2160D&x=3D0&y=3D0&searchinresults=3Dfalse&Ntk=3DKeywordSearch&DDS=3D1&N=3D115&target=3Degnsearch.asp+>
>
> Something like this has got to be far more leak and crash proof than
> anything I could build. If anyone has used a tank like this in an aircraft
> let us know.
>
>
> Rick H
>
>
> On 1/27/06, Kenneth M. Heide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Fellow Piet's:
> >
> > My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in
> > our piets? Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the
> > piet? Are other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so
> > describe and inform if you would please.
> >
> > Ken Heide
> > Fargo, ND
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward & Bingelis on Engines |
You are right Mike. It is great having a Piet project going when I get stuck
in a boring staff meeting or something. I may look like I am madly taking
notes on everything that is being said, but nothing is further from the
truth. I may be designing my engine mount, fuel tank installation, or laying
out my instrument panel. I have actually come up with some of my best Piet
design ideas in boring meetings.
Rick H
On 1/27/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Glenn & group,
>
> It was funny to read your post saying that things go thru your mind pretty
> much all the time regarding the Pietenpol
> construction. I can't tell you how many times I was out and about like
> sitting in a doctors office, attending some meeting or
> conference, doing bills at my desk at home, and I'd be sketching out an
> idea, then another idea or design, and let it gel in my
> mind for a few days before ultimately deciding on how to tackle a step
> like
> fuel tank shape, trim ideas, instrument layout, brake
> pedal arrangement and more. I saved all of those notes and when I look
> back I realize why I selected certain designs over other chicken
> scratch ideas. That portion of the project---being creative in solving
> various building issues, was very enjoyable and rewarding.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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