---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/28/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 AM - Re: new Piet builders (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:43 AM - Re: Firewall Forward & Bingelis on Engines (Glenn Thomas) 3. 06:16 AM - Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (TBYH@AOL.COM) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (TRichmo9@AOL.COM) 5. 07:25 AM - fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 (Gene Beenenga) 6. 08:35 AM - Ceiling was Westach gauges (Rcaprd@aol.com) 7. 09:09 AM - Re: fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 8. 09:09 AM - Ontario, Oregon (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 10:08 AM - Re: I'm in!! (Rick Holland) 10. 10:12 AM - Fw: Steel tube fuselage (Michael Turrell) 11. 10:28 AM - Re: Ceiling (gcardinal) 12. 10:36 AM - Re: piet for sale again (Rick Holland) 13. 10:49 AM - Re: New to the List (Rick Holland) 14. 11:08 AM - Re: piet for sale again (Carl Vought) 15. 12:45 PM - Re: new Piet builders (Alan Lyscars) 16. 02:30 PM - Re: Ceiling (walt evans) 17. 02:30 PM - Re: Fw: Steel tube fuselage (TRichmo9@AOL.COM) 18. 02:35 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (Sterling) 19. 03:07 PM - Re: Ceiling (James Dallas) 20. 03:42 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (bike.mike) 21. 05:31 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (walt evans) 22. 05:31 PM - Re: fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 (Gene Beenenga) 23. 06:33 PM - Pietenpol logo....... (Kenneth M. Heide) 24. 06:58 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (bike.mike) 25. 07:30 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (Graham Hansen) 26. 07:43 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (Rcaprd@aol.com) 27. 07:55 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (Jim Markle) 28. 09:06 PM - Re: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy (Catdesign) 29. 10:02 PM - B.H.Pietenpol, August 4, 1982 (Graham Hansen) 30. 10:18 PM - B.H. Pietenpol & G.J. Hansen, August 4, 1982 (Graham Hansen) 31. 10:42 PM - B.H.Pietenpol & his airplane on August 4, 1982 (Graham Hansen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:59 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new Piet builders --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Don't forget Frapper! http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Scott, Glenn, you other new builders- > > It really helps if you provide some idea of where you're located so you > can hook up with other builders. City and state are fine (or country, if > you're a furriner). Happy building! > > Oscar Zuniga ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Firewall Forward & Bingelis on Engines From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" At the risk of sounding sappy or corny, I feel like this project changed my life. That's why I love it so much. I know for a fact I spend less time stewing over office politics and sweating deadlines because the Piet project has filled that space and taken over that part of my brain. My desk has scribblings on the backs of envelopes of my rib steamer and rib jig as well as some landing gear options that are over a year away. Like Mike does I keep the scribblings and the ones that seem decent go on my website and become my plans for that small piece of construction. It's SATURDAY! Enough typing, my wood will be here monday and I've got a rib jig to finish! Glenn -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7526#7526 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:28 AM PST US From: TBYH@AOL.COM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy Just wondering -- does anyone know if Bernard Pietenpol ever met Charles Lindbergh? They were both from Minnesota and so I was just wondering if anyone ever heard of them meeting or corresponding at one time...would be kind of neat if they did and to be able to document such a connection. Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:59 AM PST US From: TRichmo9@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy hello fred i have a bd4 friend who lives in la crosse, his name is gary rabel thought you might know him tom ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:56 AM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga The lightweight hi-impact fuel cells for drag racing (available from Summit racing, i.e. automotive) are heavier polyethylene , have fuel absorbing internal foam cells, inverted sealing (roll over) vents, can be ordered with sending units fittings, have dual 8 AN sumps fittings w/return, and have a quick fill, flush style filler w/D ring sealing cap. My GN-1 has a 5 gallon such cell mounted in fuse and is fed by a cagbane mounted aluminum 5 gallon tank. This fuel system feeds my Corvair through both the stock fuel pump which also has an electric pump as both back up and extra boost that is switched on for final approach. Fuel cells come in various sizes, and the 8gal would also fit most Piet/GN-1 applications I believe. Gene, from Springfield -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Holland >Sent: Jan 27, 2006 9:50 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank > >Thanks Chris, the polyethylene tanks they used don't look much different >than the gas can I use to store my lawn mower gas. > >On 1/27/06, Catdesign wrote: >> >> As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's >> (Oregon) used a plastic fuel cell for boats. >> >> Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and >> see >> http://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.html >> >> >> Chris Tracy >> Sacramento, Ca >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rick Holland >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2006 3:35 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank >> >> I have been looking at the race car fuel cells sold at places like Summit >> Racing. Here is a 16 gal. model that's made of polyethylene, is made to be >> crash resistant, has a sump in the bottom, has built in indentations for >> stainless steel hold down (or up) straps, and uses all AN fittings. And its >> only $149. >> >> http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=RCI-2160D&x=0&y=0&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp >> >> >> >> Something like this has got to be far more leak and crash proof than >> anything I could build. If anyone has used a tank like this in an aircraft >> let us know. >> >> >> Rick H >> >> >> On 1/27/06, Kenneth M. Heide wrote: >> > >> > Hello Fellow Piet's: >> > >> > My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for sale in >> > our piets? Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for the >> > piet? Are other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if so >> > describe and inform if you would please. >> > >> > Ken Heide >> > Fargo, ND >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Rick Holland >> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >> > > >-- >Rick Holland > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:26 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling was Westach gauges In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:00:11 PM Central Standard Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: So on a 90 degree day the density altitude is around 10,500 ft. and you are still on the ground! And you're not even in the mountains yet. Rick, That's why I'm searching for the Absolute Ceiling - not the Service Ceiling. The Absolute Ceiling is the point where the wing is at the Critical Angle of Attack the wing will stall if any more altitude is attempted. In addition to the EGT and CHT instruments, I installed a mixture control to keep the engine happy in the thin air. Until I conclude these test flights, I wouldn't even attempt to get my plane off the runway at your elevation, under those conditions. I will certainly report to the group here, the results of the tests. I'll have my video camera with me. My field elevation is 1360 msl, and It feels like I'm on the edge of space up there !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:23 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Gene: Are you running a top mounted carb? if not why the fuel pumps? It was my impression we could run gravity fed w/a Corvair in a Piet setup as per WW, below the engine. Are the pumps necessary because of the fuel cell you are using? what am I missing here? kind regards: Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Beenenga" This fuel system feeds my Corvair through both the stock fuel pump which also has an electric pump as both back up and extra boost that is switched on for final approach. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:23 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ontario, Oregon --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Steve wrote- >I'm currently staying in Ontario Oregon. I would welcome the chance to see >a project up close, anybody in the Idaho, Oregon area? None that I know of, but you're very close to some good friends of ours- Bill and Sandi Winn in Nyssa, Oregon. They happen to be the Anheuser-Busch distributors for that area (Owyhee Distributing), if you're into refreshments of that type. Tell Bill I said hello and I'm sure he will offer you some product samples ;o) Also, if you're up for a 450-mile drive from Ontario up to Kootenai, Idaho (near Sandpoint), you can visit with EAA'er Joa Harrison of Landshorter, Inc.- makers of affordable vortex generators (http://www.landshorter.com) and truly low and slow flight lovers. Joa works for the company that makes the Quest "Kodiak" STOL workhorse (website at http://www.questaircraft.com/home.htm ) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:26 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm in!! Great analogy Glenn, whenever I think of all the covering, painting, engine building, etc. I have yet to do I get dizzy, just like looking down a thousand foot cliff. Then I catch myself and start saying to myself 'all I have to do today (or this week) is layout the instrument panel, don't worry about the rest of it'. And suddenly I feel just fine. Just like the NFL players always say in the interviews, don't worry about the Super Bowl, just take it one game at a time. If I just wanted a Piet to fly in I could go out and buy one and save all that time and possibly even some money. Rick H > > > I compare it to rockclimbing where looking at the rest of the work is like > looking down. I'm just going focus on finishing one thing at a time. My > wing wood will be here Monday so this weekend will be partially devoted to > completing the rib jig. > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:46 AM PST US From: "Michael Turrell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Steel tube fuselage Hello everyone; I am trying to gather all the info I can on a steel tube fuselage for the Piet.Does anyone know of anyone here that has gone this route.I have found one in the UK,a Steve Bryan but so far no luck getting in touch with him.Bernies drawing for the steel tube leaves a lot of unanswered questions. My thoughts are to weld the fuse the same way the wood one is done as then it would be a matter of adapting everything directly from the plans,though I definetly will want a door for the front seat.Any thoughts on this,(welding it the same as the wood fuse that is,the door is a bonus)? As to why I would like a steel fuse instead of wood,it is simply because as a cabinet maker,I work with wood everyday and just require the challenge of something new,and besides I have found that chasing a weld puddle can be relaxing and fun. Regards,Mike ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:54 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling Last summer we had NX18235 to 10,000+ msl. This was with an A-65 and a climb prop. At 10,500 it was still climbing at 100+ fpm. The test pilot wasn't dressed for the temperatures to continue any further. Temps at altitude were estimated to be 45 - 50 deg. F. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling was Westach gauges In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:00:11 PM Central Standard Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: So on a 90 degree day the density altitude is around 10,500 ft. and you are still on the ground! And you're not even in the mountains yet. Rick, That's why I'm searching for the Absolute Ceiling - not the Service Ceiling. The Absolute Ceiling is the point where the wing is at the Critical Angle of Attack the wing will stall if any more altitude is attempted. In addition to the EGT and CHT instruments, I installed a mixture control to keep the engine happy in the thin air. Until I conclude these test flights, I wouldn't even attempt to get my plane off the runway at your elevation, under those conditions. I will certainly report to the group here, the results of the tests. I'll have my video camera with me. My field elevation is 1360 msl, and It feels like I'm on the edge of space up there !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:22 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again Sorry to hear of your health/license issues. I have thought about what I would do under the same circumstances and here is what I came up with: http://www.cgsaviation.com/hawkultra.htm Just go part 103. Flew a Hawk a couple of years ago and loved it. I would have gone for the Hawk instead of a Piet except I decided I liked building as much as flying and wanted to learn how to build a real airplane from scratch. Good luck. Rick H On 1/27/06, Carl Vought wrote: > > Hi Carl Loar...I have had pretty much the same experience. I waited too > late in life to start my Piet(s), but the timing was dictated by the passage > of the legislation regarding Sport Pilots. I've got two and I doubt I'll > ever fly either one, so mine are for sale too. This getting old is great for > the independence it brings, but the health issues suck!!!...Carl Vought > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Carl > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:18 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again > > Greetings All, > It's been a while since I have posted, although I still love reading the > posts all of you > put in here. Last year, because of my health, I decided to try to sell my > piet project. > I put it on Ebay and got a buyer but he backed out after the auction was > over. > This left me mixed feelings, great I still have it and POed because he > blew others off that > were bidding also. Anyway, I have decided again that as much as I want to > finish it and > fly it, I'm not physically capable anymore of doing that. So, I have > decided to ask in here > first if anyone is looking for a project that needs work,( been in the > hanger for two years now) > and looking rough, but it has a good corvair on it with prop, all > instruments, horrible paint job, > but has great potential to give someone a great finishing project and > years of fun flying. > I will have to dig out some pics of it, but some old pics of when I was > building it can be found > here, http://members.core.com/~skycarl/pietpage1.html > > I am asking 3500$ for it. The buyer will have to go and pull the wings and > trailer it home. > I would rather see it bought here than on ebay so I will wait a while > before going that route. > It is currently hangered at Betz airfield, Blissfield Michigan... about > 30miles nw of Toledo, OH. > Take care all > Carl Loar > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:19 AM PST US From: Rick Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to the List Keep up the good work Dick, you need have that thing done for Broadhead this summer so we can all drewl over it. I will bring the beer this time. Rick H. On 1/24/06, Dick Navratil wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" < > horzpool@goldengate.net> > > Hey Mike > I'm here in St. Paul all winter this year. I'm working hard on gettin g > thae radial engine started in the next couple of weeks. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to the List > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > > Ben-- the guy you want to talk to is Chris Bobka in MSP. He is a > > world-renowned expert in Pietenpols and small > > aircraft engines. > > > > I think Dick Navratil is from MN too....but not positve. I know he > > winters in FL. > > > > Welcome to the list ! > > > > PS-- take a shop course in gas welding or if you have access to a TIG > unit > > use that for your metal fittings. If you can make > > metal fittings that is half the battle. More than 1/2 acutally. The > > woodwork is pretty easy, but the metal work and welding > > are the time-consuming portions of the plane. > > > > PSS-- get ALL of the Tony Bingelis books from EAA on building > homebuilts. > > You can order them on the EAA web site. I think the > > set of 4 books are something like $80. VERY much worth the money. > > > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:42 AM PST US From: "Carl Vought" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again This project is not for someone who wants to build (it's too close to completion.) Even though there are things to do, it's probably not enough to satisfy a builder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again Sorry to hear of your health/license issues. I have thought about what I would do under the same circumstances and here is what I came up with: http://www.cgsaviation.com/hawkultra.htm Just go part 103. Flew a Hawk a couple of years ago and loved it. I would have gone for the Hawk instead of a Piet except I decided I liked building as much as flying and wanted to learn how to build a real airplane from scratch. Good luck. Rick H On 1/27/06, Carl Vought wrote: Hi Carl Loar...I have had pretty much the same experience. I waited too late in life to start my Piet(s), but the timing was dictated by the passage of the legislation regarding Sport Pilots. I've got two and I doubt I'll ever fly either one, so mine are for sale too. This getting old is great for the independence it brings, but the health issues suck!!!...Carl Vought ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again Greetings All, It's been a while since I have posted, although I still love reading the posts all of you put in here. Last year, because of my health, I decided to try to sell my piet project. I put it on Ebay and got a buyer but he backed out after the auction was over. This left me mixed feelings, great I still have it and POed because he blew others off that were bidding also. Anyway, I have decided again that as much as I want to finish it and fly it, I'm not physically capable anymore of doing that. So, I have decided to ask in here first if anyone is looking for a project that needs work,( been in the hanger for two years now) and looking rough, but it has a good corvair on it with prop, all instruments, horrible paint job, but has great potential to give someone a great finishing project and years of fun flying. I will have to dig out some pics of it, but some old pics of when I was building it can be found here, http://members.core.com/~skycarl/pietpage1.html I am asking 3500$ for it. The buyer will have to go and pull the wings and trailer it home. I would rather see it bought here than on ebay so I will wait a while before going that route. It is currently hangered at Betz airfield, Blissfield Michigan... about 30miles nw of Toledo, OH. Take care all Carl Loar -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:18 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new Piet builders --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" Welcome, Steve-- I'm just starting a GN 1 Aircamper here in Portland, Maine. Stop by when you get back home. Alan Lyscars Potland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glass" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: new Piet builders > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" > > Hi Everybody. > > I'm a new as yet unstarted builder gathering information. I live in > Jonesport Maine close to the New Brunswick Canada Border. I'm currently > staying in Ontario Oregon. I would welcome the chance to see a project up > close, anybody in the Idaho, Oregon area? > > Best regards > Steve G > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:51 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling This brings up an interesting question. If you get up to "absolute cieling", and you stall. If the air that you are in is too thin to support lift for normal flight, how can it be thick enough to "catch" you? Do you continue down without control? Will your airspeed exceed Vne before you can reach thick enough air to "catch" you? Hmmmmm. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling Last summer we had NX18235 to 10,000+ msl. This was with an A-65 and a climb prop. At 10,500 it was still climbing at 100+ fpm. The test pilot wasn't dressed for the temperatures to continue any further. Temps at altitude were estimated to be 45 - 50 deg. F. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling was Westach gauges In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:00:11 PM Central Standard Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: So on a 90 degree day the density altitude is around 10,500 ft. and you are still on the ground! And you're not even in the mountains yet. Rick, That's why I'm searching for the Absolute Ceiling - not the Service Ceiling. The Absolute Ceiling is the point where the wing is at the Critical Angle of Attack the wing will stall if any more altitude is attempted. In addition to the EGT and CHT instruments, I installed a mixture control to keep the engine happy in the thin air. Until I conclude these test flights, I wouldn't even attempt to get my plane off the runway at your elevation, under those conditions. I will certainly report to the group here, the results of the tests. I'll have my video camera with me. My field elevation is 1360 msl, and It feels like I'm on the edge of space up there !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:51 PM PST US From: TRichmo9@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Steel tube fuselage hi i just started a tube fuse, i bought mild steel tubing locally and i have about 50.oo dollars in the tubing im gas welding it.i bought .049 wall and it weighs about 60 lbs.032 moly weighs in at about 28 lbs but will set you back about 350 bucks plus shipping tom ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:10 PM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy DO NOT ARCHIVE Fred: I met Mr. Pietenpol's grand daughter at Brodhead 2004. I interviewed her on digital videotape that I hope to compile into a project someday after I get my bird in the air. (Chuck G. and I hope to work on yet another Pietenpol video...) I'll try and go back through my footage sometime in mid-Feb to see if I got her contact information. Maybe you can correspond with her. One thing I recall when talking to her was that Mr. Pietenpol did not like being called "Bernie" and I'm glad you correctly called him Bernard, like the Pietepol familiy would like to remember him by. Don Pietenpol can also be contacted and he sould be able to give you some immediate information. I too would think it would be interesting if these two legends ever crossed paths. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy Just wondering -- does anyone know if Bernard Pietenpol ever met Charles Lindbergh? They were both from Minnesota and so I was just wondering if anyone ever heard of them meeting or corresponding at one time...would be kind of neat if they did and to be able to document such a connection. Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:42 PM PST US From: "James Dallas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling It's not so much that your wings will not produce enough lift on our favorite little airplane to get you as high as you want...If your engine can't breath enough to make the power to get you to this "altitude" it's a moot point. Even Turbo charged engines start to drop off with altitude. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but mine will never see class A airspace. Too darn much equipment required and too darn cold. Jim Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling This brings up an interesting question. If you get up to "absolute cieling", and you stall. If the air that you are in is too thin to support lift for normal flight, how can it be thick enough to "catch" you? Do you continue down without control? Will your airspeed exceed Vne before you can reach thick enough air to "catch" you? Hmmmmm. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling Last summer we had NX18235 to 10,000+ msl. This was with an A-65 and a climb prop. At 10,500 it was still climbing at 100+ fpm. The test pilot wasn't dressed for the temperatures to continue any further. Temps at altitude were estimated to be 45 - 50 deg. F. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ceiling was Westach gauges In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:00:11 PM Central Standard Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: So on a 90 degree day the density altitude is around 10,500 ft. and you are still on the ground! And you're not even in the mountains yet. Rick, That's why I'm searching for the Absolute Ceiling - not the Service Ceiling. The Absolute Ceiling is the point where the wing is at the Critical Angle of Attack the wing will stall if any more altitude is attempted. In addition to the EGT and CHT instruments, I installed a mixture control to keep the engine happy in the thin air. Until I conclude these test flights, I wouldn't even attempt to get my plane off the runway at your elevation, under those conditions. I will certainly report to the group here, the results of the tests. I'll have my video camera with me. My field elevation is 1360 msl, and It feels like I'm on the edge of space up there !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:50 PM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy I don't know about Bernard, but I did about three years before Lindberg died...and I'm very proud of that. Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy Just wondering -- does anyone know if Bernard Pietenpol ever met Charles Lindbergh? They were both from Minnesota and so I was just wondering if anyone ever heard of them meeting or corresponding at one time...would be kind of neat if they did and to be able to document such a connection. Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:37 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy Mike, Well,,,We'd love to hear the story. : ) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: bike.mike To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy I don't know about Bernard, but I did about three years before Lindberg died...and I'm very proud of that. Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy Just wondering -- does anyone know if Bernard Pietenpol ever met Charles Lindbergh? They were both from Minnesota and so I was just wondering if anyone ever heard of them meeting or corresponding at one time...would be kind of neat if they did and to be able to document such a connection. Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:37 PM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga Mich, I have a fuel pump in the system because I want fuel pressure to the carb on final. My fuse tank is on same plane (level) as the engine with the sump about the same level as the carb. My cabane tank does not run directly to the carb (S&S shorty), which is underneath the engine, so when the main fuse tank is low it has gravity to feed from the cabane to the main tank where the fuel gauge my only sender is located. I see the stock fuel pump and the electric as insurance. In reality, I agree, that I would not need fuel pumps. The additional weight is not a factor, but I have the assurance that fuel will be there at the carb at all times. Gene -----Original Message----- >From: MICHAEL SILVIUS >Sent: Jan 28, 2006 11:08 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel cells in Piets/GN-1 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" > >Gene: > >Are you running a top mounted carb? if not why the fuel pumps? >It was my impression we could run gravity fed w/a Corvair in a Piet setup as >per WW, below the engine. >Are the pumps necessary because of the fuel cell you are using? >what am I missing here? > >kind regards: >Michael Silvius >Scarborough, Maine. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Beenenga" > > This fuel system feeds my Corvair through both the stock fuel pump which >also has an electric pump as both back up and extra boost that is switched >on for final approach. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:03 PM PST US From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol logo....... Fellow Pieter's Another perplexing comment from the village idiot.............. Has there been a logo designed for the pietenpol besides just the name? Seems to me that several aircraft decals can be purchased from various aircraft suppliers. So hence the question....do we as pietenpoler's have a designed logo? Ken Heide Fargo, ND --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:55 PM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy Mike, Well,,,We'd love to hear the story. : ) Walt Evans NX140DL It was the spring of '69 and I was working on an instrument ticket on the GI bill at San Fernando airport in L.A., now long closed and sitting under a Costco. The FBO was run by Tom Ryan who, among a lot of other pluses and minuses, was the brother-in-law of the newly inaugurated President. There was also a large contingent of warbirds at the airport. We got a steady stream of famous pilots, not so famous pilots, drug smugglers, Secret Service agents and so on coming through the lounge because of the connections and the great coffee. I was debriefing with my CFII when one of the wealthier warbird owners came in, accompanied by a very tall, slender, very distinguished-looking, white-haired gentleman. My instructor knew the warbird owner so went over to talk, then waved to me to join them. When I got to them, My CFII said, "Mike, meet Charles Lindberg." It took me a bit to realize he meant THE Charles Lindberg, the Lone Eagle himself. I'm afraid I gushed like a kid. (I was 22.) A week or so later, I told my dad, whose personal hero as a kid was Lindy, about the meeting. To this day, nearly forty years later, he doesn't believe me. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:01 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy On August 4, 1982 my friend and I stopped at Cherry Grove, Minnesota to visit Mr. Pietenpol (we always called him "Mr. Pietenpol"). We were on our way home from Oshkosh in my old 1978 VW Diesel Rabbit, the engine of which greatly interested Mr. Pietenpol. Perhaps he was thinking of converting it for aircraft use! At that time he was experiencing pain from a earlier hip replacement, but proved to be a most interesting man with a delightful sense of humor. Roy (my friend) and I remember that visit clearly. Mr. Pietenpol never mentioned Charles Lindbergh, but he did talk about other aviation personalities from the past such as Gene Shank, Weston Farmer, Don Finke, Ed Heath, etc. Mostly, he lamented the fact that so many of his old acquaintances had passed on, but there was no hint that he knew Lindbergh personally. We drove out to his airfield near Cherry Grove and he showed us his Corvair-powered Air Camper. We pushed it out of the hangar and took some pictures. He said he wished he could fly it, but his bad hip made it too difficult to get in or out of the cockpit. I took what might be some of the last, or the last, photographs of him with his airplane. If anyone is interested, I can post to the group a couple of these photos which I treasure because of the great memories they evoke. The thought that Bernard Pietenpol and Charles Lindbergh may have met is intriguing. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:48 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy In a message dated 1/28/2006 9:31:33 PM Central Standard Time, grhans@cable-lynx.net writes: If anyone is interested, I can post to the group a couple of these photos which I treasure because of the great memories they evoke. Graham, I think those pictures would be most interesting for the group to view !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:33 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:09 PM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy I'd love to see them too. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bernard Pietenpol - Lindy On August 4, 1982 my friend and I stopped at Cherry Grove, Minnesota to visit Mr. Pietenpol (we always called him "Mr. Pietenpol"). We were on our way home from Oshkosh in my old 1978 VW Diesel Rabbit, the engine of which greatly interested Mr. Pietenpol. Perhaps he was thinking of converting it for aircraft use! At that time he was experiencing pain from a earlier hip replacement, but proved to be a most interesting man with a delightful sense of humor. Roy (my friend) and I remember that visit clearly. Mr. Pietenpol never mentioned Charles Lindbergh, but he did talk about other aviation personalities from the past such as Gene Shank, Weston Farmer, Don Finke, Ed Heath, etc. Mostly, he lamented the fact that so many of his old acquaintances had passed on, but there was no hint that he knew Lindbergh personally. We drove out to his airfield near Cherry Grove and he showed us his Corvair-powered Air Camper. We pushed it out of the hangar and took some pictures. He said he wished he could fly it, but his bad hip made it too difficult to get in or out of the cockpit. I took what might be some of the last, or the last, photographs of him with his airplane. If anyone is interested, I can post to the group a couple of these photos which I treasure because of the great memories they evoke. The thought that Bernard Pietenpol and Charles Lindbergh may have met is intriguing. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada) ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:21 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: B.H.Pietenpol, August 4, 1982 Group, As requested, here is one of the photos of Mr. Pietenpol with his airplane taken at Cherry Grove, Minnesota on August 4, 1982. Graham Hansen ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:43 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: B.H. Pietenpol & G.J. Hansen, August 4, 1982 Group, This is a photo I treasure because I was in the presence of the Master in his back yard at Cherry Grove, Minnesota. It was taken by my friend Roy Wadson, who also built a Pietenpol. August 4, 1982. Graham Hansen The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Mail0014.JPG Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:12 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Pietenpol-List: B.H.Pietenpol & his airplane on August 4, 1982 Group, Another photo of Mr. Pietenpol with his airplane after we had rolled it out of the hangar at Cherry Grove, Minnesota during the afternoon of August 4, 1982. This airplane displayed neat, careful workmanship and it was obviously built by a master craftsman. Note the Corvair van belonging to Mr. Pietenpol. He had me drive it to and from the airport because his hip was bothering him. (There were quite a few Corvairs at the airport--some without engines!) Meeting BHP was a memorable experience for us. Graham Hansen The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Mail0015.JPG Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled.