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1. 04:26 AM - Re: piet for sale again (Howard Goodwin)
2. 04:54 AM - Carl Loar,Piet for sale: (Howard Goodwin)
3. 05:32 AM - Cessna fuel valve (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:46 AM - time estimates (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: time estimates (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 07:58 AM - Re: time estimates (Phillips, Jack)
7. 08:20 AM - Brakes on a Piet (Sterling)
8. 08:26 AM - Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Scott S.)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Jack T. Textor)
10. 09:45 AM - brakes on a Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 10:17 AM - The Fisherman Surfaces !!! (Michael D Cuy)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! (Phillips, Jack)
13. 11:01 AM - Re: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! (John Hofmann)
14. 01:57 PM - Re: time to build (Graham Hansen)
15. 02:37 PM - Re: time to build (walt evans)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: time to build (Carl Vought)
17. 03:14 PM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Mike Green)
18. 03:17 PM - Fisherman (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
19. 07:17 PM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Scott S.)
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Subject: | Re: piet for sale again |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Howard Goodwin <goodwinds@cox.net>
Jim:
I am interested in your Piet.....what is the stage of the engine at this
point?
Howard Goodwin
Washington, North Carolina
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Subject: | Carl Loar,Piet for sale: |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Howard Goodwin <goodwinds@cox.net>
Carl Loar:
please get in touch me me at 252 944 5496
Howard Goodwin
Washington, North Carolina
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Subject: | Cessna fuel valve |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, amigos-
Have you ever taken something apart and then realized you might not be able
to reassemble it? My Pietenpol has a Cessna fuel shutoff valve on the
outlet of the fuel tank, part no. 0716111-5. It's a simple plug valve,
quarter-turn. There is a spring-loaded nylon wiper that rides against the
side of the plug to provide resistance to turning, and after disassembling
it I realized that it will be tricky to hold that nylon piece back against
the spring in order to re-insert the plug. There is probably a nifty trick
or tool to hold the spring in place, but if none of you has any ideas, I
think I'll try very thin "fire wire" type fishing line through the fuel
outlet hole, around the spring a couple of turns, to see if I can pull it in
with that. Has to be very thin line because the clearance between the
spring and the bore that it rides in is pretty tight.
Mommy told me not to take things apart, but in this particular case I'm sure
glad I did because the spring had some rust on it and there was sediment and
crud in the spring pocket. I have my "Fuel Lube" right here and I'm ready
to put this puppy back together! Thanks for any help you guys might have.
Oh, and you might be interested to know that this valve, new, lists for
$1,660. I was astounded to learn that bit of info when I tried a Google
search for info on it.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
As an engineer, I have found that my main problem is that I think too much.
I second-guess everything I see in the plans or on the airplane. Rather
than trust that a 75-year-old design has pretty much had all the little bugs
worked out of it, and that a master builder (Corky) already crossed all the
little bridges that had to be crossed to finish 41CC, I have to sit and
think about how to do things differently or "better", sketch them out, start
fabricating little test pieces of things... only to find out that Bernard
and Corky knew what they were doing. If you "build it to the plans" you'll
save yourself lots of time, if getting in the air is your objective!
One little example. I had the oil sump off the A65 on 41CC and was letting
the paint dry on the one I bought to replace the damaged one. Meanwhile, I
started fitting up a new fuel hose between the gascolator and carb. Hmmm...
I know I made this new hose the same length as the old one, but there sure
isn't any need for it to be that long and I can eliminate two 90 degree
elbows; one at the carb and one at the gascolator, and clean up the fuel
flow. So after reinstalling the oil sump, it suddenly becomes clear why
Corky used the two elbows and the longer hose... because the oil sump is
smack-dab up against the carb and you can't get to the gascolator in a
straight line. And so it goes ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: time estimates |
Oscar,
I'm NOT an engineer. Just an old fashioned tinkerer. I was the kid in the
neiborhood that they all brought their skates, bicycles etc to have repaired.
Then when we reached the Model T age my yard was full of junk cars. That's
the way I grew up. When I entered college I really wanted to get on that
engineer wagon but was afraid of math. My high school math teachers could never
get
through to me with all those signs and cosigns, quadratics and stuff, so I
decided to become an ordinary old teacher. Got a surprise, I became an
ordinary young soldier.
What I'm trying to get around and say is: If you want to take everything
apart to know what goes on inside, why don't you bring 41CC back home and take
311CC back and finish it and believe me you will have plenty of inside
information. I'm still sniffing those fumes Tracy.
See, just like an old teacher, trying to give instruction.
Corky
Changing his parking brake design today.
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Hey Corky,
Glad to hear somebody else thinks a Piet could use a parking brake. I don't have
one, but wish I did. Little did I know when I built this plane that the hangar
it would live in is on a pretty severe slope. If I park it across the slope,
shut the engine down and try to get out of it, half the time the tailwheel
will break loose and I've got about =BC second to decide if I can jump out
in time to grab the tail before it swings into the hangar, or dive back into the
cockpit and get on the brakes to stop the swing. Then, if I chose the latter,
I'm stuck until somebody can come help me. Good thing I put an Ah-Ooooga
horn on the plane so I can call for help! Sure wish I had a parking brake.
Jack
Hangin' on the hillside in North Carolina
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time estimates
Oscar,
I'm NOT an engineer. Just an old fashioned tinkerer. I was the kid in the neiborhood
that they all brought their skates, bicycles etc to have repaired. Then
when we reached the Model T age my yard was full of junk cars. That's the way
I grew up. When I entered college I really wanted to get on that engineer wagon
but was afraid of math. My high school math teachers could never get through
to me with all those signs and cosigns, quadratics and stuff, so I decided to
become an ordinary old teacher. Got a surprise, I became an ordinary young soldier.
What I'm trying to get around and say is: If you want to take everything apart
to know what goes on inside, why don't you bring 41CC back home and take 311CC
back and finish it and believe me you will have plenty of inside information.
I'm still sniffing those fumes Tracy.
See, just like an old teacher, trying to give instruction.
Corky
Changing his parking brake design today.
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Subject: | Brakes on a Piet |
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I too (like Corky) am not an engineer, except in my case, I'm just the Village
Idiot. But I did fabricate a set of brakes in my aircamper for the Honda motorcycle
wheels on my airplane.
My brakes are differential and can be locked securely during propping. Also, I
designed the brake levers to swing out of the way during flight so I have more
room in the cockpit to wiggle around in. My brakes are actuated by my legs pressing
the Honda levers just above my knees at the side of the interior fuselage.
OK, I know it sounds hokey, but so far, it works great and it frees up a lot
of room on the floorboard for my feet and it keeps my hands free from having
to press hand levers.
I'll post some pictures of my system, IF EVERYONE (including Oscar) WILL PROMISE
NOT TO LAUGH!
I'm still settling my father's estate and busy for another 10 days or so, but I'll
post pictures sometime next month when I have more time, if anybody wants
a looksie.
Sterling Brooks
V.I.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Peter's Pietenpol website info?? |
Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the
best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been
down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com.
Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong.
Scott in TN
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Subject: | Peter's Pietenpol website info?? |
It seems to be down Scott. I've had it happen before, hopefully it will
be up soon.
Jack
Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of
the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list.
It's been down for like two weeks now. Think it's
http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong.
Scott in TN
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Subject: | brakes on a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
See, there I go again. I have been thinking about eliminating the parking
brakes on 41CC but guess it makes sense to keep 'em. I never used 'em on
spam cans and had nothing but trouble with them before... always used
tie-downs and chocks for propping. But it does sound like they may be
useful at times. One of my 'issues' with them on 41CC is that the operating
knobs happen to be right by the pilot's knees. Ol' Charlie still winces
when he remembers "finding" those knobs with his knees when the plane went
on its back. But I'll keep 'em.
And Sterling wrote-
>I'll post some pictures of my system, IF EVERYONE (including Oscar)
>WILL PROMISE NOT TO LAUGH!
Hey, compadre- you forget how easy it is to bribe TACOs with cold beverages.
I can be persuaded to withhold my comments if you'll make it worth my
while... ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | The Fisherman Surfaces !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
guys---this is hilarious. This guy has done it all. Kinda reminds me
of Jim from Mutual of Omaha's
Wild Kingdom show with Marlin Perkins back in the 60's and 70's. Jim was
always the guy who was
wrestling alligators in shallow puddles while Marlin stood by in his
turtleneck calmly describing how Jim
was about to die a gruesome death.
Mike C.
http://miva.islandbazaar.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AA1&Category_Code=ray
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Subject: | The Fisherman Surfaces !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Mike there are a lot of folks on the list now who didn't get to share in
the wonders of "The Fisherman's" Pietenpol project.
For those that weren't on the list a few years ago, this fellow was
building a Pietenpol. He was constantly asking for advice, and then
explaining why the advice he got wasn't worth listening to. He built
his plane with the cheapest material he could find, and was racing
through his project with the intent of using it for charter operations
in Belize, when he sort of ran into a brick wall with the need to learn
to weld. Suddenly he just dropped off the list.
Look in the archives under "fisherman". Some of it is just downright
funny.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
guys---this is hilarious. This guy has done it all. Kinda reminds
me
of Jim from Mutual of Omaha's
Wild Kingdom show with Marlin Perkins back in the 60's and 70's. Jim
was
always the guy who was
wrestling alligators in shallow puddles while Marlin stood by in his
turtleneck calmly describing how Jim
was about to die a gruesome death.
Mike C.
http://miva.islandbazaar.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod
e=AA1&Category_Code=ray
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Subject: | Re: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Remember how his Home Depot wood warped sitting under the tree where he was
building? How about trying to stick weld his 4130?
He never got his pilot license but he flew an Ercoupe once so he could fly
the Piet to Belize. I remember him leaving this list when those of us with
good intentions about building and safety became "too snooty" for him.
Sniff...I kind of miss those angry days.
-john-
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> Mike there are a lot of folks on the list now who didn't get to share in
> the wonders of "The Fisherman's" Pietenpol project.
>
> For those that weren't on the list a few years ago, this fellow was
> building a Pietenpol. He was constantly asking for advice, and then
> explaining why the advice he got wasn't worth listening to. He built
> his plane with the cheapest material he could find, and was racing
> through his project with the intent of using it for charter operations
> in Belize, when he sort of ran into a brick wall with the need to learn
> to weld. Suddenly he just dropped off the list.
>
> Look in the archives under "fisherman". Some of it is just downright
> funny.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> D Cuy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:16 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!!
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> guys---this is hilarious. This guy has done it all. Kinda reminds
> me
> of Jim from Mutual of Omaha's
> Wild Kingdom show with Marlin Perkins back in the 60's and 70's. Jim
> was
> always the guy who was
> wrestling alligators in shallow puddles while Marlin stood by in his
> turtleneck calmly describing how Jim
> was about to die a gruesome death.
>
> Mike C.
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> http://miva.islandbazaar.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod
> e=AA1&Category_Code=ray
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Subject: | Re: time to build |
Further to what Walt Evans said, "Build to build, don't build to fly.", I might
add the words of a wise man who said, "To travel hopefully is a better thing
than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." *
My Pietenpol was in the works for a total of eleven years, but in reality I probabably
spent about two years of spare time on it because it was "shelved" for
many of those years for a variety of reasons.
After 35 years of flying it, there are lots of great memories of flights made.
But there are lots of fond memories of the building process, and these are equally
precious. (I often think of my dad who helped me on some of the jobs, and
he even got to ride in it afterward!)
I guess what I am saying is that the building experience can be the most fun. Evidence
of this is found in the fact that many people, myself included, become
addicted to creating an airplane and after completing one, embark on another
project right away.
So don't worry about how long it takes to build your bird. It shouldn't be a race
against anything! Keep a record of the hours if you like, but don't let this
sort of thing bother you.
All of us face deadlines every day; building an airplane is a hobby and deadlines
shouldn't enter the picture at all.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
*Quoted from Neville Shute's book, SLIDE RULE, where he quotes the writer Robert
Louis Stevenson who (I think) originated this most apt saying.
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Subject: | Re: time to build |
Graham,
Well said!
Ain't life grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hansen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build
Further to what Walt Evans said, "Build to build, don't build to fly.", I might
add the words of a wise man who said, "To travel hopefully is a better thing
than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." *
My Pietenpol was in the works for a total of eleven years, but in reality I probabably
spent about two years of spare time on it because it was "shelved" for
many of those years for a variety of reasons.
After 35 years of flying it, there are lots of great memories of flights made.
But there are lots of fond memories of the building process, and these are equally
precious. (I often think of my dad who helped me on some of the jobs, and
he even got to ride in it afterward!)
I guess what I am saying is that the building experience can be the most fun.
Evidence of this is found in the fact that many people, myself included, become
addicted to creating an airplane and after completing one, embark on another
project right away.
So don't worry about how long it takes to build your bird. It shouldn't be a
race against anything! Keep a record of the hours if you like, but don't let this
sort of thing bother you.
All of us face deadlines every day; building an airplane is a hobby and deadlines
shouldn't enter the picture at all.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
*Quoted from Neville Shute's book, SLIDE RULE, where he quotes the writer Robert
Louis Stevenson who (I think) originated this most apt saying.
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Subject: | Re: time to build |
Well said...Truly well said...Carl Vought..Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hansen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build
Further to what Walt Evans said, "Build to build, don't build to fly.", I might
add the words of a wise man who said, "To travel hopefully is a better thing
than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." *
My Pietenpol was in the works for a total of eleven years, but in reality I probabably
spent about two years of spare time on it because it was "shelved" for
many of those years for a variety of reasons.
After 35 years of flying it, there are lots of great memories of flights made.
But there are lots of fond memories of the building process, and these are equally
precious. (I often think of my dad who helped me on some of the jobs, and
he even got to ride in it afterward!)
I guess what I am saying is that the building experience can be the most fun.
Evidence of this is found in the fact that many people, myself included, become
addicted to creating an airplane and after completing one, embark on another
project right away.
So don't worry about how long it takes to build your bird. It shouldn't be a
race against anything! Keep a record of the hours if you like, but don't let this
sort of thing bother you.
All of us face deadlines every day; building an airplane is a hobby and deadlines
shouldn't enter the picture at all.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
*Quoted from Neville Shute's book, SLIDE RULE, where he quotes the writer Robert
Louis Stevenson who (I think) originated this most apt saying.
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Subject: | Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? |
Scott,
Just got an email from Peter and he's in Hanoi ,Vietnam on holidays at the moment.
Just keep checking back, I'm sure he'll have it up and running again when
he gets back.
Mike Green
Romsey,
Victoria
AUSTRALIA
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott S.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info??
Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong.
Scott in TN
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I was there when the dufus surfaced. I would gadly join Marlin Perkins
in my safari ware, and root for the crock. Leon S.
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Subject: | Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? |
Thanks for the info.
On 1/31/06, Mike Green <mmml@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Just got an email from Peter and he's in Hanoi ,Vietnam on holidays at the
> moment. Just keep checking back, I'm sure he'll have it up and running again
> when he gets back.
>
> Mike Green
> Romsey,
> Victoria
> AUSTRALIA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott S. <covertspecialops@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:25 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info??
>
>
> Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of
> the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's
> been down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com.
> Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong.
>
> Scott in TN
>
>
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