---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/31/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: piet for sale again (Howard Goodwin) 2. 04:54 AM - Carl Loar,Piet for sale: (Howard Goodwin) 3. 05:32 AM - Cessna fuel valve (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:46 AM - time estimates (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: time estimates (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: time estimates (Phillips, Jack) 7. 08:20 AM - Brakes on a Piet (Sterling) 8. 08:26 AM - Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Scott S.) 9. 08:44 AM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Jack T. Textor) 10. 09:45 AM - brakes on a Piet (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 10:17 AM - The Fisherman Surfaces !!! (Michael D Cuy) 12. 10:27 AM - Re: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! (Phillips, Jack) 13. 11:01 AM - Re: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! (John Hofmann) 14. 01:57 PM - Re: time to build (Graham Hansen) 15. 02:37 PM - Re: time to build (walt evans) 16. 02:58 PM - Re: time to build (Carl Vought) 17. 03:14 PM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Mike Green) 18. 03:17 PM - Fisherman (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 19. 07:17 PM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Scott S.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:35 AM PST US From: Howard Goodwin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piet for sale again --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Howard Goodwin Jim: I am interested in your Piet.....what is the stage of the engine at this point? Howard Goodwin Washington, North Carolina ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:35 AM PST US From: Howard Goodwin Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carl Loar,Piet for sale: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Howard Goodwin Carl Loar: please get in touch me me at 252 944 5496 Howard Goodwin Washington, North Carolina ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:38 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cessna fuel valve --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Howdy, amigos- Have you ever taken something apart and then realized you might not be able to reassemble it? My Pietenpol has a Cessna fuel shutoff valve on the outlet of the fuel tank, part no. 0716111-5. It's a simple plug valve, quarter-turn. There is a spring-loaded nylon wiper that rides against the side of the plug to provide resistance to turning, and after disassembling it I realized that it will be tricky to hold that nylon piece back against the spring in order to re-insert the plug. There is probably a nifty trick or tool to hold the spring in place, but if none of you has any ideas, I think I'll try very thin "fire wire" type fishing line through the fuel outlet hole, around the spring a couple of turns, to see if I can pull it in with that. Has to be very thin line because the clearance between the spring and the bore that it rides in is pretty tight. Mommy told me not to take things apart, but in this particular case I'm sure glad I did because the spring had some rust on it and there was sediment and crud in the spring pocket. I have my "Fuel Lube" right here and I'm ready to put this puppy back together! Thanks for any help you guys might have. Oh, and you might be interested to know that this valve, new, lists for $1,660. I was astounded to learn that bit of info when I tried a Google search for info on it. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:58 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: time estimates --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" As an engineer, I have found that my main problem is that I think too much. I second-guess everything I see in the plans or on the airplane. Rather than trust that a 75-year-old design has pretty much had all the little bugs worked out of it, and that a master builder (Corky) already crossed all the little bridges that had to be crossed to finish 41CC, I have to sit and think about how to do things differently or "better", sketch them out, start fabricating little test pieces of things... only to find out that Bernard and Corky knew what they were doing. If you "build it to the plans" you'll save yourself lots of time, if getting in the air is your objective! One little example. I had the oil sump off the A65 on 41CC and was letting the paint dry on the one I bought to replace the damaged one. Meanwhile, I started fitting up a new fuel hose between the gascolator and carb. Hmmm... I know I made this new hose the same length as the old one, but there sure isn't any need for it to be that long and I can eliminate two 90 degree elbows; one at the carb and one at the gascolator, and clean up the fuel flow. So after reinstalling the oil sump, it suddenly becomes clear why Corky used the two elbows and the longer hose... because the oil sump is smack-dab up against the carb and you can't get to the gascolator in a straight line. And so it goes ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:08 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time estimates Oscar, I'm NOT an engineer. Just an old fashioned tinkerer. I was the kid in the neiborhood that they all brought their skates, bicycles etc to have repaired. Then when we reached the Model T age my yard was full of junk cars. That's the way I grew up. When I entered college I really wanted to get on that engineer wagon but was afraid of math. My high school math teachers could never get through to me with all those signs and cosigns, quadratics and stuff, so I decided to become an ordinary old teacher. Got a surprise, I became an ordinary young soldier. What I'm trying to get around and say is: If you want to take everything apart to know what goes on inside, why don't you bring 41CC back home and take 311CC back and finish it and believe me you will have plenty of inside information. I'm still sniffing those fumes Tracy. See, just like an old teacher, trying to give instruction. Corky Changing his parking brake design today. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:04 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: time estimates From: "Phillips, Jack" Hey Corky, Glad to hear somebody else thinks a Piet could use a parking brake. I don't have one, but wish I did. Little did I know when I built this plane that the hangar it would live in is on a pretty severe slope. If I park it across the slope, shut the engine down and try to get out of it, half the time the tailwheel will break loose and I've got about =BC second to decide if I can jump out in time to grab the tail before it swings into the hangar, or dive back into the cockpit and get on the brakes to stop the swing. Then, if I chose the latter, I'm stuck until somebody can come help me. Good thing I put an Ah-Ooooga horn on the plane so I can call for help! Sure wish I had a parking brake. Jack Hangin' on the hillside in North Carolina -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time estimates Oscar, I'm NOT an engineer. Just an old fashioned tinkerer. I was the kid in the neiborhood that they all brought their skates, bicycles etc to have repaired. Then when we reached the Model T age my yard was full of junk cars. That's the way I grew up. When I entered college I really wanted to get on that engineer wagon but was afraid of math. My high school math teachers could never get through to me with all those signs and cosigns, quadratics and stuff, so I decided to become an ordinary old teacher. Got a surprise, I became an ordinary young soldier. What I'm trying to get around and say is: If you want to take everything apart to know what goes on inside, why don't you bring 41CC back home and take 311CC back and finish it and believe me you will have plenty of inside information. I'm still sniffing those fumes Tracy. See, just like an old teacher, trying to give instruction. Corky Changing his parking brake design today. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:48 AM PST US From: "Sterling" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brakes on a Piet DO NOT ARCHIVE I too (like Corky) am not an engineer, except in my case, I'm just the Village Idiot. But I did fabricate a set of brakes in my aircamper for the Honda motorcycle wheels on my airplane. My brakes are differential and can be locked securely during propping. Also, I designed the brake levers to swing out of the way during flight so I have more room in the cockpit to wiggle around in. My brakes are actuated by my legs pressing the Honda levers just above my knees at the side of the interior fuselage. OK, I know it sounds hokey, but so far, it works great and it frees up a lot of room on the floorboard for my feet and it keeps my hands free from having to press hand levers. I'll post some pictures of my system, IF EVERYONE (including Oscar) WILL PROMISE NOT TO LAUGH! I'm still settling my father's estate and busy for another 10 days or so, but I'll post pictures sometime next month when I have more time, if anybody wants a looksie. Sterling Brooks V.I. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:14 AM PST US From: "Scott S." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong. Scott in TN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? From: "Jack T. Textor" It seems to be down Scott. I've had it happen before, hopefully it will be up soon. Jack Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong. Scott in TN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:09 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: brakes on a Piet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" See, there I go again. I have been thinking about eliminating the parking brakes on 41CC but guess it makes sense to keep 'em. I never used 'em on spam cans and had nothing but trouble with them before... always used tie-downs and chocks for propping. But it does sound like they may be useful at times. One of my 'issues' with them on 41CC is that the operating knobs happen to be right by the pilot's knees. Ol' Charlie still winces when he remembers "finding" those knobs with his knees when the plane went on its back. But I'll keep 'em. And Sterling wrote- >I'll post some pictures of my system, IF EVERYONE (including Oscar) >WILL PROMISE NOT TO LAUGH! Hey, compadre- you forget how easy it is to bribe TACOs with cold beverages. I can be persuaded to withhold my comments if you'll make it worth my while... ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:36 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy guys---this is hilarious. This guy has done it all. Kinda reminds me of Jim from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom show with Marlin Perkins back in the 60's and 70's. Jim was always the guy who was wrestling alligators in shallow puddles while Marlin stood by in his turtleneck calmly describing how Jim was about to die a gruesome death. Mike C. http://miva.islandbazaar.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AA1&Category_Code=ray ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Mike there are a lot of folks on the list now who didn't get to share in the wonders of "The Fisherman's" Pietenpol project. For those that weren't on the list a few years ago, this fellow was building a Pietenpol. He was constantly asking for advice, and then explaining why the advice he got wasn't worth listening to. He built his plane with the cheapest material he could find, and was racing through his project with the intent of using it for charter operations in Belize, when he sort of ran into a brick wall with the need to learn to weld. Suddenly he just dropped off the list. Look in the archives under "fisherman". Some of it is just downright funny. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy guys---this is hilarious. This guy has done it all. Kinda reminds me of Jim from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom show with Marlin Perkins back in the 60's and 70's. Jim was always the guy who was wrestling alligators in shallow puddles while Marlin stood by in his turtleneck calmly describing how Jim was about to die a gruesome death. Mike C. http://miva.islandbazaar.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod e=AA1&Category_Code=ray ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! From: John Hofmann --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann Remember how his Home Depot wood warped sitting under the tree where he was building? How about trying to stick weld his 4130? He never got his pilot license but he flew an Ercoupe once so he could fly the Piet to Belize. I remember him leaving this list when those of us with good intentions about building and safety became "too snooty" for him. Sniff...I kind of miss those angry days. -john- DO NOT ARCHIVE > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > Mike there are a lot of folks on the list now who didn't get to share in > the wonders of "The Fisherman's" Pietenpol project. > > For those that weren't on the list a few years ago, this fellow was > building a Pietenpol. He was constantly asking for advice, and then > explaining why the advice he got wasn't worth listening to. He built > his plane with the cheapest material he could find, and was racing > through his project with the intent of using it for charter operations > in Belize, when he sort of ran into a brick wall with the need to learn > to weld. Suddenly he just dropped off the list. > > Look in the archives under "fisherman". Some of it is just downright > funny. > > Jack Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > D Cuy > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:16 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman Surfaces !!! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > guys---this is hilarious. This guy has done it all. Kinda reminds > me > of Jim from Mutual of Omaha's > Wild Kingdom show with Marlin Perkins back in the 60's and 70's. Jim > was > always the guy who was > wrestling alligators in shallow puddles while Marlin stood by in his > turtleneck calmly describing how Jim > was about to die a gruesome death. > > Mike C. > > http://miva.islandbazaar.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Cod > e=AA1&Category_Code=ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:23 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build Further to what Walt Evans said, "Build to build, don't build to fly.", I might add the words of a wise man who said, "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." * My Pietenpol was in the works for a total of eleven years, but in reality I probabably spent about two years of spare time on it because it was "shelved" for many of those years for a variety of reasons. After 35 years of flying it, there are lots of great memories of flights made. But there are lots of fond memories of the building process, and these are equally precious. (I often think of my dad who helped me on some of the jobs, and he even got to ride in it afterward!) I guess what I am saying is that the building experience can be the most fun. Evidence of this is found in the fact that many people, myself included, become addicted to creating an airplane and after completing one, embark on another project right away. So don't worry about how long it takes to build your bird. It shouldn't be a race against anything! Keep a record of the hours if you like, but don't let this sort of thing bother you. All of us face deadlines every day; building an airplane is a hobby and deadlines shouldn't enter the picture at all. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) *Quoted from Neville Shute's book, SLIDE RULE, where he quotes the writer Robert Louis Stevenson who (I think) originated this most apt saying. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:29 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build Graham, Well said! Ain't life grand! walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build Further to what Walt Evans said, "Build to build, don't build to fly.", I might add the words of a wise man who said, "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." * My Pietenpol was in the works for a total of eleven years, but in reality I probabably spent about two years of spare time on it because it was "shelved" for many of those years for a variety of reasons. After 35 years of flying it, there are lots of great memories of flights made. But there are lots of fond memories of the building process, and these are equally precious. (I often think of my dad who helped me on some of the jobs, and he even got to ride in it afterward!) I guess what I am saying is that the building experience can be the most fun. Evidence of this is found in the fact that many people, myself included, become addicted to creating an airplane and after completing one, embark on another project right away. So don't worry about how long it takes to build your bird. It shouldn't be a race against anything! Keep a record of the hours if you like, but don't let this sort of thing bother you. All of us face deadlines every day; building an airplane is a hobby and deadlines shouldn't enter the picture at all. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) *Quoted from Neville Shute's book, SLIDE RULE, where he quotes the writer Robert Louis Stevenson who (I think) originated this most apt saying. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:38 PM PST US From: "Carl Vought" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build Well said...Truly well said...Carl Vought..Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time to build Further to what Walt Evans said, "Build to build, don't build to fly.", I might add the words of a wise man who said, "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." * My Pietenpol was in the works for a total of eleven years, but in reality I probabably spent about two years of spare time on it because it was "shelved" for many of those years for a variety of reasons. After 35 years of flying it, there are lots of great memories of flights made. But there are lots of fond memories of the building process, and these are equally precious. (I often think of my dad who helped me on some of the jobs, and he even got to ride in it afterward!) I guess what I am saying is that the building experience can be the most fun. Evidence of this is found in the fact that many people, myself included, become addicted to creating an airplane and after completing one, embark on another project right away. So don't worry about how long it takes to build your bird. It shouldn't be a race against anything! Keep a record of the hours if you like, but don't let this sort of thing bother you. All of us face deadlines every day; building an airplane is a hobby and deadlines shouldn't enter the picture at all. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) *Quoted from Neville Shute's book, SLIDE RULE, where he quotes the writer Robert Louis Stevenson who (I think) originated this most apt saying. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:14 PM PST US From: "Mike Green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Scott, Just got an email from Peter and he's in Hanoi ,Vietnam on holidays at the moment. Just keep checking back, I'm sure he'll have it up and running again when he gets back. Mike Green Romsey, Victoria AUSTRALIA ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott S. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong. Scott in TN ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:26 PM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fisherman --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) I was there when the dufus surfaced. I would gadly join Marlin Perkins in my safari ware, and root for the crock. Leon S. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:53 PM PST US From: "Scott S." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Thanks for the info. On 1/31/06, Mike Green wrote: > > Scott, > > Just got an email from Peter and he's in Hanoi ,Vietnam on holidays at the > moment. Just keep checking back, I'm sure he'll have it up and running again > when he gets back. > > Mike Green > Romsey, > Victoria > AUSTRALIA > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Scott S. > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:25 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? > > > Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of > the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's > been down for like two weeks now. Think it's http://www.cpc-world.com. > Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong. > > Scott in TN > >