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1. 05:32 AM - Re: CAD programs (Bill Church)
2. 05:37 AM - Dave Esslinger in Indiana (Michael D Cuy)
3. 05:45 AM - Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings (Michael D Cuy)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Dave Esslinger in Indiana (Phillips, Jack)
5. 07:08 AM - Stromberg Manual Info (barnstmr@aol.com)
6. 07:15 AM - 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC (barnstmr@aol.com)
7. 07:29 AM - Re: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC (DJ Vegh)
8. 07:38 AM - Re: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC (Michael D Cuy)
9. 07:44 AM - Re: Stromberg Manual Info (Kirk Huizenga)
10. 07:46 AM - Re: Prop Hubs (Roman Bukolt)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Prop Hubs (Glenn Thomas)
12. 12:00 PM - Virus Attack (Michael Fisher)
13. 03:44 PM - Re: Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
14. 08:27 PM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Peter W Johnson)
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| Subject: | RE: CAD programs |
Jim Markle wrote:
...drawing programs like AutoCad. (Maybe because I'm too lazy to learn
one, but I'll bet there are some good ones out there nowadays.)
Jim (and others),
As an example of the CAD programs "out there nowadays", take a look at
the hinge drawings I was able to produce using the latest in CAD. These
are JPG images of the type of "drawings" done in CAD nawadays. This
program, called SolidWorks (which I am just learning how to use) models
everything in 3D. Traditional "drawings" (i.e. three views, orthagonal
projections, etc.) are automatically produced with the click of a
button, once the "model" is built.
As I said, I am just learning how to use the program, so as a form of
"practice" during off-work hours I am slowly building a CAD model of the
Air Camper airframe. When I finally finish, I will share the model with
the list. Of course, that might take a little while - so far I have only
completed the horizontal stabilizer.
Oh yeah, one drawback...the program will set you back about $5000.
<<my hinge assembly 1.jpg>> <<my hinge assembly explode.jpg>>
P.S.
Does the hinge look familiar, Jim? Thanks for sharing your grid paper
sketch of your hinge.
Bill
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| Subject: | Dave Esslinger in Indiana |
Group-- It is good to see Dave E. posting on the list and his idea is a good
one for making metal Piet/GN fittings.
I used a similar method by copying the plans and then using a paper glue stick
to stick the pattern to my metal before cutting and drilling. I would
modify the
fittings (like making the 'ears' longer that protrude forward thru our fire
walls for
our motor mount fitting/bolts to clear or go thru more easily than if you
built it ala plans.
Of course with a copy machine you have to see if there is any
distortion/corruption of
part size but I generally modified the fittings a bit by pencil first
anyway---or made white
posterboard (Wal Mart, CVS, Walgreens) mock-ups of various fittings.
I met Dave at the excellent Indianapolis Air Show a few years back and he
flew over
last spring to our local EAA pancake breakfast to have a look-see at my
plane and try
it on for size. Here he is getting some ground simulator time in Ohio.
Mike C. in snowy Cleveland
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| Subject: | Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys--- If you notice, most of the steel that we use in making fittings for
our Pietenpols
is either .060" or .090" thick and usually standard width strips like 1/2",
3/4", 1" and soforth.
An easy way to avoid having to cut the 'long' sides by bandsaw or shear is
to order your 4130
in specific thickness and width-strips. I know ACS used to sell it by the
width-strips.
I ordered sheets of 4130 from Dillsburg and was very fortunate to have
access to a large shear
so I could cut my own, but another alternative to buying the more expensive
pre-cut strips is
to take your 4130 sheet to a local shop that has heavy shear equipment that
is willing to cut
your sheets to various widths, chop, chop, chop, whala, done.
This takes some homework and jotting down of estimates of how many lengths
of this and that
you might need but sure saves time in making (and re-making) of your metal
fittings.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Dave Esslinger in Indiana |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Just be sure you don't drill any holes until you are through with the
bending process and any welding. Parts have a way of distorting and
moving when bent or welded.
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dave Esslinger in Indiana
Group-- It is good to see Dave E. posting on the list and his idea is a
good
one for making metal Piet/GN fittings.
I used a similar method by copying the plans and then using a paper glue
stick
to stick the pattern to my metal before cutting and drilling. I would
modify the
fittings (like making the 'ears' longer that protrude forward thru our
fire
walls for
our motor mount fitting/bolts to clear or go thru more easily than if
you
built it ala plans.
Of course with a copy machine you have to see if there is any
distortion/corruption of
part size but I generally modified the fittings a bit by pencil first
anyway---or made white
posterboard (Wal Mart, CVS, Walgreens) mock-ups of various fittings.
I met Dave at the excellent Indianapolis Air Show a few years back and
he
flew over
last spring to our local EAA pancake breakfast to have a look-see at my
plane and try
it on for size. Here he is getting some ground simulator time in Ohio.
Mike C. in snowy Cleveland
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| Subject: | Stromberg Manual Info |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com
Folks,
Someone asked about Stromberg Carburetor Manual. I scanned and posted
two different ones to my page on Mykitplanes.com. See if this link
works.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=52
Terry L. Bowden
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| Subject: | 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com
Folks,
I am WAY excited. I have been blessed to purchase the plane I first
learned to fly, 28 yrs ago. It is a 1946 Taylorcraft BC12-D. I have
kept in touch with the man who bought it from my dad 20 yrs ago. He
called me a few weeks ago and said he was selling her and wanted me to
have the first shot at buying it. Airplane folks are great! I posted
a few pictures on the address below. I am so blessed. I hope to be
able to teach my kids to fly just like my dad did for me in this plane.
I have some work to do on her first to get it airworthy, a longeron
repair and carburetor overhaul.
I guess the Piet will still sit for a while. But my thought is....
once one or two of the kids really get into this, we will get back on
the Piet. I am going to have to keep the Tcraft at My dad's airstrip
about an hours drive away until I somehow manage to build a hangar at
home on Tick Hill Airfield. It needs to be large enough to handle the
Piet and the Tcraft.
How does it go Walt? Ain't life Grand???
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=283
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
nice!!
my cousin has the same year and model. Every August when I go to Michigan I
get to fly it off his grass strip in his back yard. Such a fun plane!! and
what's more awesome is that it's the SAME plane that your dad had! wow!
DJ
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From: <barnstmr@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com
>
> Folks,
> I am WAY excited. I have been blessed to purchase the plane I first
> learned to fly, 28 yrs ago. It is a 1946 Taylorcraft BC12-D. I have kept
> in touch with the man who bought it from my dad 20 yrs ago. He called me
> a few weeks ago and said he was selling her and wanted me to have the
> first shot at buying it. Airplane folks are great! I posted a few
> pictures on the address below. I am so blessed. I hope to be able to
> teach my kids to fly just like my dad did for me in this plane. I have
> some work to do on her first to get it airworthy, a longeron repair and
> carburetor overhaul.
>
> I guess the Piet will still sit for a while. But my thought is.... once
> one or two of the kids really get into this, we will get back on the Piet.
> I am going to have to keep the Tcraft at My dad's airstrip about an hours
> drive away until I somehow manage to build a hangar at home on Tick Hill
> Airfield. It needs to be large enough to handle the Piet and the Tcraft.
>
> How does it go Walt? Ain't life Grand???
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=283
>
>
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Waaaaaay cool, Terry. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Congratulations !!!!
Mike C.
do not archive
At 10:14 AM 2/6/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com
>
>Folks,
>I am WAY excited. I have been blessed to purchase the plane I first
>learned to fly, 28 yrs ago. It is a 1946 Taylorcraft BC12-D. I have kept
>in touch with the man who bought it from my dad 20 yrs ago. He called me
>a few weeks ago and said he was selling her and wanted me to have the
>first shot at buying it. Airplane folks are great! I posted a few
>pictures on the address below. I am so blessed. I hope to be able to
>teach my kids to fly just like my dad did for me in this plane. I have
>some work to do on her first to get it airworthy, a longeron repair and
>carburetor overhaul.
>
>I guess the Piet will still sit for a while. But my thought is.... once
>one or two of the kids really get into this, we will get back on the
>Piet. I am going to have to keep the Tcraft at My dad's airstrip about an
>hours drive away until I somehow manage to build a hangar at home on Tick
>Hill Airfield. It needs to be large enough to handle the Piet and the Tcraft.
>
>How does it go Walt? Ain't life Grand???
>
>http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=283
>
>
>Terry L. Bowden
>ph 254-715-4773
>fax 254-853-3805
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Manual Info |
Thanks Terry
Kirk
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2006, at 9:06 AM, barnstmr@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com
>
> Folks,
> Someone asked about Stromberg Carburetor Manual. I scanned and
> posted two different ones to my page on Mykitplanes.com. See if
> this link works.
>
>
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=52
>
>
> Terry L. Bowden
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
>
Kirk Huizenga
Community Expert
kirk.huizenga@moundsviewschools.org
651.482.8203
my views are not necessarily the view of my employer
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Welcome to the world of William Wynne.
Last summer I place 136 calls and left messages. Many times the message center
was full.
None were ever returned.
I finally heard from him late in Nov. when he called to inform me that he was sending
my two cyl. heads viaUPS the next day. Several weeks later they arrived.
I'm still waiting on a couple other parts he said he'd send me.
Since then he added another full time employee, the guy who makes their videos.
He will answer the phone as well as Gus. But, they usually can't answer any
Q's about parts shipment.
All I can recommend is keep trying to call and hang up after the fourth ring so
you don't get billed to talk to a message machine. Someone will answer in four
rings if you get through, though not likely William.
That's how it is when one has no competition in the Corvair Aircaft Engine conversion
market.
Very smart guy, but lousy business manager.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Hi,
I sent him a bunch of emails that never got answered regarding his latest discovery of the crankshaft problem. I called in the evening on a Saturday (I think... I know it was the weekend) and WW picked up and I fired off a whole list of questions (asked in previous unanswered emails) which he patiently listened to and gave me good answers to. He told me to call the hangar line (on www.flycorvair.com) whenever I have a question and that he's there late a lot. He said not to worry about time because it only rings in the hangar and he's there quite a bit.
It's true that he doesn't have a lot of competition but I'm afraid if he did, to
stay competitive he probably wouldn't be able to do the level of research that
he does. (Like disassembling engines from a sampling of aircraft, and taking
the cranks from them to Embry Riddle for magnaflux on a high-end magnaflux
machine, and making public his not so popular findings)
Too bad he can't just staff up for the demand. I'd go down and help on a "will
work for parts" agreement if he'd let me :D Until then I'll just call at "off-peak"
times. They must have some record of what's been ordered and what the
status is. (I hope) I've ordered videos and his manual but no parts yet. These
things all came within days of the order.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10400#10400
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
List Administrator,
This virus alert appeared on my gci.net server. I did not attempt to
open it. Do not archive.
These virus-infected messages have been quarantined BEFORE they reached your email
inbox.
Messages Message 1 - 1 of 1
Sender
Subject
Date
ol-list-server@matronics.com price 02-05-2006
Thanks, Michael J. Fisher
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| Subject: | Re: Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Wicks will shear metal into strips also, and they will shear a 9" X 9" sheet
into multiple sizes.
dennis
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| Subject: | Peter's Pietenpol website info?? |
Hi Guys,
Just got home, the site is now up and running again. Let me know if there
are any problems.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi, Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info??
Scott,
I am in Hanoi at the moment and my ADSL when down and won=92t re-sync. I shall
be back home on Tuesday so all will be working then.
Sorry for temporary loss of the site.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott S.
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info??
Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the
best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been
down for like two weeks now. Think it's HYPERLINK
"http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if
I've got it wrong.
Scott in TN
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