---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/06/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:32 AM - Re: CAD programs (Bill Church) 2. 05:37 AM - Dave Esslinger in Indiana (Michael D Cuy) 3. 05:45 AM - Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings (Michael D Cuy) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: Dave Esslinger in Indiana (Phillips, Jack) 5. 07:08 AM - Stromberg Manual Info (barnstmr@aol.com) 6. 07:15 AM - 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC (barnstmr@aol.com) 7. 07:29 AM - Re: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC (DJ Vegh) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC (Michael D Cuy) 9. 07:44 AM - Re: Stromberg Manual Info (Kirk Huizenga) 10. 07:46 AM - Re: Prop Hubs (Roman Bukolt) 11. 09:41 AM - Re: Prop Hubs (Glenn Thomas) 12. 12:00 PM - Virus Attack (Michael Fisher) 13. 03:44 PM - Re: Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 14. 08:27 PM - Re: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? (Peter W Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: CAD programs From: "Bill Church" Jim Markle wrote: ...drawing programs like AutoCad. (Maybe because I'm too lazy to learn one, but I'll bet there are some good ones out there nowadays.) Jim (and others), As an example of the CAD programs "out there nowadays", take a look at the hinge drawings I was able to produce using the latest in CAD. These are JPG images of the type of "drawings" done in CAD nawadays. This program, called SolidWorks (which I am just learning how to use) models everything in 3D. Traditional "drawings" (i.e. three views, orthagonal projections, etc.) are automatically produced with the click of a button, once the "model" is built. As I said, I am just learning how to use the program, so as a form of "practice" during off-work hours I am slowly building a CAD model of the Air Camper airframe. When I finally finish, I will share the model with the list. Of course, that might take a little while - so far I have only completed the horizontal stabilizer. Oh yeah, one drawback...the program will set you back about $5000. <> <> P.S. Does the hinge look familiar, Jim? Thanks for sharing your grid paper sketch of your hinge. Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:03 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dave Esslinger in Indiana Group-- It is good to see Dave E. posting on the list and his idea is a good one for making metal Piet/GN fittings. I used a similar method by copying the plans and then using a paper glue stick to stick the pattern to my metal before cutting and drilling. I would modify the fittings (like making the 'ears' longer that protrude forward thru our fire walls for our motor mount fitting/bolts to clear or go thru more easily than if you built it ala plans. Of course with a copy machine you have to see if there is any distortion/corruption of part size but I generally modified the fittings a bit by pencil first anyway---or made white posterboard (Wal Mart, CVS, Walgreens) mock-ups of various fittings. I met Dave at the excellent Indianapolis Air Show a few years back and he flew over last spring to our local EAA pancake breakfast to have a look-see at my plane and try it on for size. Here he is getting some ground simulator time in Ohio. Mike C. in snowy Cleveland ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:08 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Guys--- If you notice, most of the steel that we use in making fittings for our Pietenpols is either .060" or .090" thick and usually standard width strips like 1/2", 3/4", 1" and soforth. An easy way to avoid having to cut the 'long' sides by bandsaw or shear is to order your 4130 in specific thickness and width-strips. I know ACS used to sell it by the width-strips. I ordered sheets of 4130 from Dillsburg and was very fortunate to have access to a large shear so I could cut my own, but another alternative to buying the more expensive pre-cut strips is to take your 4130 sheet to a local shop that has heavy shear equipment that is willing to cut your sheets to various widths, chop, chop, chop, whala, done. This takes some homework and jotting down of estimates of how many lengths of this and that you might need but sure saves time in making (and re-making) of your metal fittings. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dave Esslinger in Indiana From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Just be sure you don't drill any holes until you are through with the bending process and any welding. Parts have a way of distorting and moving when bent or welded. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dave Esslinger in Indiana Group-- It is good to see Dave E. posting on the list and his idea is a good one for making metal Piet/GN fittings. I used a similar method by copying the plans and then using a paper glue stick to stick the pattern to my metal before cutting and drilling. I would modify the fittings (like making the 'ears' longer that protrude forward thru our fire walls for our motor mount fitting/bolts to clear or go thru more easily than if you built it ala plans. Of course with a copy machine you have to see if there is any distortion/corruption of part size but I generally modified the fittings a bit by pencil first anyway---or made white posterboard (Wal Mart, CVS, Walgreens) mock-ups of various fittings. I met Dave at the excellent Indianapolis Air Show a few years back and he flew over last spring to our local EAA pancake breakfast to have a look-see at my plane and try it on for size. Here he is getting some ground simulator time in Ohio. Mike C. in snowy Cleveland This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Espanol - Deutsch - Nederlands - Francais - Italiano - Norsk - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:18 AM PST US From: barnstmr@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Manual Info --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com Folks, Someone asked about Stromberg Carburetor Manual. I scanned and posted two different ones to my page on Mykitplanes.com. See if this link works. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=52 Terry L. Bowden ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:19 AM PST US From: barnstmr@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com Folks, I am WAY excited. I have been blessed to purchase the plane I first learned to fly, 28 yrs ago. It is a 1946 Taylorcraft BC12-D. I have kept in touch with the man who bought it from my dad 20 yrs ago. He called me a few weeks ago and said he was selling her and wanted me to have the first shot at buying it. Airplane folks are great! I posted a few pictures on the address below. I am so blessed. I hope to be able to teach my kids to fly just like my dad did for me in this plane. I have some work to do on her first to get it airworthy, a longeron repair and carburetor overhaul. I guess the Piet will still sit for a while. But my thought is.... once one or two of the kids really get into this, we will get back on the Piet. I am going to have to keep the Tcraft at My dad's airstrip about an hours drive away until I somehow manage to build a hangar at home on Tick Hill Airfield. It needs to be large enough to handle the Piet and the Tcraft. How does it go Walt? Ain't life Grand??? http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=283 Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:27 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" nice!! my cousin has the same year and model. Every August when I go to Michigan I get to fly it off his grass strip in his back yard. Such a fun plane!! and what's more awesome is that it's the SAME plane that your dad had! wow! DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com > > Folks, > I am WAY excited. I have been blessed to purchase the plane I first > learned to fly, 28 yrs ago. It is a 1946 Taylorcraft BC12-D. I have kept > in touch with the man who bought it from my dad 20 yrs ago. He called me > a few weeks ago and said he was selling her and wanted me to have the > first shot at buying it. Airplane folks are great! I posted a few > pictures on the address below. I am so blessed. I hope to be able to > teach my kids to fly just like my dad did for me in this plane. I have > some work to do on her first to get it airworthy, a longeron repair and > carburetor overhaul. > > I guess the Piet will still sit for a while. But my thought is.... once > one or two of the kids really get into this, we will get back on the Piet. > I am going to have to keep the Tcraft at My dad's airstrip about an hours > drive away until I somehow manage to build a hangar at home on Tick Hill > Airfield. It needs to be large enough to handle the Piet and the Tcraft. > > How does it go Walt? Ain't life Grand??? > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=283 > > > Terry L. Bowden > ph 254-715-4773 > fax 254-853-3805 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:16 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3rd Generation T-craft OFF TOPIC --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Waaaaaay cool, Terry. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Congratulations !!!! Mike C. do not archive At 10:14 AM 2/6/2006 -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com > >Folks, >I am WAY excited. I have been blessed to purchase the plane I first >learned to fly, 28 yrs ago. It is a 1946 Taylorcraft BC12-D. I have kept >in touch with the man who bought it from my dad 20 yrs ago. He called me >a few weeks ago and said he was selling her and wanted me to have the >first shot at buying it. Airplane folks are great! I posted a few >pictures on the address below. I am so blessed. I hope to be able to >teach my kids to fly just like my dad did for me in this plane. I have >some work to do on her first to get it airworthy, a longeron repair and >carburetor overhaul. > >I guess the Piet will still sit for a while. But my thought is.... once >one or two of the kids really get into this, we will get back on the >Piet. I am going to have to keep the Tcraft at My dad's airstrip about an >hours drive away until I somehow manage to build a hangar at home on Tick >Hill Airfield. It needs to be large enough to handle the Piet and the Tcraft. > >How does it go Walt? Ain't life Grand??? > >http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=283 > > >Terry L. Bowden >ph 254-715-4773 >fax 254-853-3805 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:25 AM PST US From: Kirk Huizenga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Manual Info Thanks Terry Kirk do not archive On Feb 6, 2006, at 9:06 AM, barnstmr@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com > > Folks, > Someone asked about Stromberg Carburetor Manual. I scanned and > posted two different ones to my page on Mykitplanes.com. See if > this link works. > > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=52 > > > Terry L. Bowden > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > Kirk Huizenga Community Expert kirk.huizenga@moundsviewschools.org 651.482.8203 my views are not necessarily the view of my employer ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:54 AM PST US From: "Roman Bukolt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Hubs Welcome to the world of William Wynne. Last summer I place 136 calls and left messages. Many times the message center was full. None were ever returned. I finally heard from him late in Nov. when he called to inform me that he was sending my two cyl. heads viaUPS the next day. Several weeks later they arrived. I'm still waiting on a couple other parts he said he'd send me. Since then he added another full time employee, the guy who makes their videos. He will answer the phone as well as Gus. But, they usually can't answer any Q's about parts shipment. All I can recommend is keep trying to call and hang up after the fourth ring so you don't get billed to talk to a message machine. Someone will answer in four rings if you get through, though not likely William. That's how it is when one has no competition in the Corvair Aircaft Engine conversion market. Very smart guy, but lousy business manager. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop Hubs From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Hi, I sent him a bunch of emails that never got answered regarding his latest discovery of the crankshaft problem. I called in the evening on a Saturday (I think... I know it was the weekend) and WW picked up and I fired off a whole list of questions (asked in previous unanswered emails) which he patiently listened to and gave me good answers to. He told me to call the hangar line (on www.flycorvair.com) whenever I have a question and that he's there late a lot. He said not to worry about time because it only rings in the hangar and he's there quite a bit. It's true that he doesn't have a lot of competition but I'm afraid if he did, to stay competitive he probably wouldn't be able to do the level of research that he does. (Like disassembling engines from a sampling of aircraft, and taking the cranks from them to Embry Riddle for magnaflux on a high-end magnaflux machine, and making public his not so popular findings) Too bad he can't just staff up for the demand. I'd go down and help on a "will work for parts" agreement if he'd let me :D Until then I'll just call at "off-peak" times. They must have some record of what's been ordered and what the status is. (I hope) I've ordered videos and his manual but no parts yet. These things all came within days of the order. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10400#10400 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:01 PM PST US From: Michael Fisher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Virus Attack --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher List Administrator, This virus alert appeared on my gci.net server. I did not attempt to open it. Do not archive. These virus-infected messages have been quarantined BEFORE they reached your email inbox. Messages Message 1 - 1 of 1 Sender Subject Date ol-list-server@matronics.com price 02-05-2006 Thanks, Michael J. Fisher ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:06 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Simplify your life with this idea---metal fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Wicks will shear metal into strips also, and they will shear a 9" X 9" sheet into multiple sizes. dennis ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:10 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Hi Guys, Just got home, the site is now up and running again. Let me know if there are any problems. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi, Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Friday, 3 February 2006 6:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Scott, I am in Hanoi at the moment and my ADSL when down and won=92t re-sync. I shall be back home on Tuesday so all will be working then. Sorry for temporary loss of the site. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott S. Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Pietenpol website info?? Does anybody know anything about Peter's Pietenpol website? It's one of the best I've seen with construction pics, even has a materials list. It's been down for like two weeks now. Think it's HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com. Somebody let me know if I've got it wrong. Scott in TN -- -- -- --