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1. 12:52 AM - Re: another experimental takes off to set another record (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:25 AM - making metal fittings (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:25 AM - Making Metal Fittings (Sayre, William G)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: making metal fittings (Steve Eldredge)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: making metal fittings (harvey rule)
6. 08:40 AM - making metal fittings (Dick Navratil)
7. 09:03 AM - Re: Making Metal Fittings (Robert Gow)
8. 12:26 PM - Mirrors on airplanes (Sayre, William G)
9. 01:02 PM - Re: Mirrors on airplanes (bike.mike)
10. 01:28 PM - passing lane (Michael D Cuy)
11. 01:45 PM - Florida Piet project on ebay (Michael D Cuy)
12. 02:23 PM - Fuel tank measurements (Kenneth M. Heide)
13. 02:52 PM - Re: passing lane (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 03:00 PM - Re: Elevator horn geometry (Kirk Huizenga)
15. 03:16 PM - Re: Fuel tank measurements (Kirk Huizenga)
16. 03:29 PM - Re: passing lane (Gary Gower)
17. 07:55 PM - Re: passing lane (Mark Blackwell)
18. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Elevator horn geometry (Rcaprd@aol.com)
19. 09:16 PM - Re: passing lane (Dick Navratil)
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| Subject: | Re: another experimental takes off to set another record |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Also at the official website;
http://www.virginatlanticglobalflyer.com/Home/index.jsp
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> He can be tracked live on blueskynetwork.com;he's past Hamilton
> Island,so far so good.That last message should have been Wrights not
> rights.Sorry about that,my apologies to the Wright family.Do not archive
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| Subject: | making metal fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
I made a small aluminum bracket to attach to one of the cabane struts on
41CC, to mount a small mirror (don't laugh). It's one of the small round
mirrors that you stick on to your vehicle's outside rear-view mirror to get
a wider view of what's behind you. I like to be able to 'check six' in case
the Red Baron is slipping up behind me ;o) Actually, it helps with
preflight, you can see the flippers flipping, and when you hit the smoke you
can watch your smoke trail to keep it straight ;o)
Anyway, after trying several different products to make the small template
for the bracket, I got the best results using the carton from a 12-pack of
Pabst Blue Ribbon. Don't laugh; it's good stuff. The carton, that is.
Well, the PBR is, too.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Making Metal Fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Jack!
You forgot the frozen Pizza boxes.
"The only thing I can add is that I found an ideal source of pattern
cardboard to be a 12 pack or case of Budweiser."
Bill
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| Subject: | making metal fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
I must confess to having a small mirror on the rear cabane for exactly
this purpose. It also helped at Oshkosk- helped to terrify me to
realize just how close that burly spinning prop was to my fragile
tailfeathers as we taxied out in a scrunched line... Objects are closer
than they appear!
Yikes!
Steve e
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: making metal fittings
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
I made a small aluminum bracket to attach to one of the cabane struts on
41CC, to mount a small mirror (don't laugh). It's one of the small
round
mirrors that you stick on to your vehicle's outside rear-view mirror to
get
a wider view of what's behind you. I like to be able to 'check six' in
case
the Red Baron is slipping up behind me ;o) Actually, it helps with
preflight, you can see the flippers flipping, and when you hit the smoke
you
can watch your smoke trail to keep it straight ;o)
Anyway, after trying several different products to make the small
template
for the bracket, I got the best results using the carton from a 12-pack
of
Pabst Blue Ribbon. Don't laugh; it's good stuff. The carton, that is.
Well, the PBR is, too.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: making metal fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
The Spitfires during the WWII used mirrors and I think the Hurricanes
did as well.Good idea;I think I'll do the same,thanks.
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> I made a small aluminum bracket to attach to one of the cabane struts on
> 41CC, to mount a small mirror (don't laugh). It's one of the small round
> mirrors that you stick on to your vehicle's outside rear-view mirror to get
> a wider view of what's behind you. I like to be able to 'check six' in case
> the Red Baron is slipping up behind me ;o) Actually, it helps with
> preflight, you can see the flippers flipping, and when you hit the smoke you
> can watch your smoke trail to keep it straight ;o)
>
> Anyway, after trying several different products to make the small template
> for the bracket, I got the best results using the carton from a 12-pack of
> Pabst Blue Ribbon. Don't laugh; it's good stuff. The carton, that is.
> Well, the PBR is, too.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | making metal fittings |
I also have a small round mirror attached to the cabane for the the same reasons
as others. I bought one at a Bike shop and used cable ties to attach.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Making Metal Fittings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
I'd use Sleaman's. It would be a shame to dump out all that Bud just to get
the case.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sayre,
William G
Sent: February 9, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making Metal Fittings
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G"
<william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Jack!
You forgot the frozen Pizza boxes.
"The only thing I can add is that I found an ideal source of pattern
cardboard to be a 12 pack or case of Budweiser."
Bill
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| Subject: | Mirrors on airplanes |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
I had a mirror on the strut of my tow-plane to verify that the cable
with grappling hook hadn't caught on the rudder horn before I hooked the
banner during a high-speed low pass. Heard about one pilot that crashed
from the pull of the banner torqueing the rudder to one side and
stalling during the turn.
Even an F-15 has three mirrors around the windshield bow! Only fitting
that a Pietenpol escort/pursuit ship have one.
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| Subject: | Re: Mirrors on airplanes |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" <bike.mike@charter.net>
>
> Even an F-15 has three mirrors around the windshield bow! Only fitting
> that a Pietenpol escort/pursuit ship have one.
>
Yeah, we used to have mirrors around the canopy bow on the F-4.
We never had a chance to use them, though.
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Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other
airplanes........
in case you want to change lanes.
I did have the extreme pleasure of passing up the Goodyear blimp 'Spirit of
Akron' a
few years ago and several hot air balloons.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Florida Piet project on ebay |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
This one is pretty far along and really not a bad price.......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Air-Camper_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63679QQitemZ4611674341QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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| Subject: | Fuel tank measurements |
Fellow Pieter's:
I have the unique opportunity to have aluminum fuel tanks manufactured from my
in-law/outlaw who has all the necessary tools to make a nice fuel cell. Can
a fellow Pieter's send me a drawing or thereof all the necessary measurements
to have this prototype created. Since I will put forth all the materials and
labor to have this tank made.....I thought it would be nice to create a pattern
and offer fellow Pieter's the opportunity to purchase an quality inexpensive
fuel tank. Thoughts?
Lastly, I plan on creating either a wing reserve tanks or a header tank depending
on the room and size to work within. So....send me your information, tab
locations, height, width, depth etc.....since I do not have my center section
built. My in-law/outlaw is a excellent fabricator who will have my calibrated
eye looking over his shoulder which equals perfection!
Ken H
village idiot
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: passing lane |
In a message dated 2/9/2006 3:30:02 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other
airplanes........
in case you want to change lanes.
Or, maybe spot the impending bird strike...from the rear !! ;)
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn geometry |
This past Saturday I went out to my local EAA chaper (54, Lake Elmo) and had a
friend (and my technical advisor) weld new ears onto my elevator horns. The original,
to-plans, bent ears were in bad shape and showing signs of stress when
I removed them off the project.
I haven't done any welding yet, so I didn't want to try tackling .032 steel as
my first test.
Today I test fit the elevator horn and checked to see how the cable connection
holes aligned with the Vi Kapler hinges I have. What I found out was that with
the current set-up the hinge pivot point does not line up with the elevator holes.
I figure that there is about 3/16" difference in the holes - which translates to
about 1/16" difference in travel when moved 20 degrees. This doesn't seem like
much, but I'm wondering if the pivot offset on the bellcrack will increase
that. I'll work on figuring that out.
So my real question is - how much attention should we pay toward having our pivoting
controls in line and symetrical? It seems like even a 1/16th in would introduce
a noticable amount of slack in control cables.
I'm attaching a picture not knowing if it will make it through.
Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank measurements |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" <Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org>
Ken,
This is likely not as detailed as you want, but you can get an ideal of the dimensions
of my current tanks at
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/mykit64.jpg
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/mykit66.jpg
Hope it helps
Kirk
>>> kmheidecpo@yahoo.com 02/09/06 4:22 PM >>>
Fellow Pieter's:
I have the unique opportunity to have aluminum fuel tanks manufactured from my
in-law/outlaw who has all the necessary tools to make a nice fuel cell. Can
a fellow Pieter's send me a drawing or thereof all the necessary measurements
to have this prototype created. Since I will put forth all the materials and
labor to have this tank made.....I thought it would be nice to create a pattern
and offer fellow Pieter's the opportunity to purchase an quality inexpensive
fuel tank. Thoughts?
Lastly, I plan on creating either a wing reserve tanks or a header tank depending
on the room and size to work within. So....send me your information, tab
locations, height, width, depth etc.....since I do not have my center section
built. My in-law/outlaw is a excellent fabricator who will have my calibrated
eye looking over his shoulder which equals perfection!
Ken H
village idiot
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: passing lane |
Gee... Mike, You have the fastest Piet here! :-)
I bet was a great view to fly near the Blimp.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other airplanes........
in case you want to change lanes.
I did have the extreme pleasure of passing up the Goodyear blimp 'Spirit of Akron'
a
few years ago and several hot air balloons.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: passing lane |
Well my most interesting aircraft ever seen in flight was 1) A Lockheed Constellation
and it was just a few years ago as well 2) A Ford Tri motor and 3) I
landed behind the Concorde once as well.
Everyone talks about how slow a Piet is, but I used to get passed in 150s all the
time by school busses on the ground. Man was that embarassing lol
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passing lane
Gee... Mike, You have the fastest Piet here! :-)
I bet was a great view to fly near the Blimp.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other airplanes........
in case you want to change lanes.
I did have the extreme pleasure of passing up the Goodyear blimp 'Spirit of
Akron' a
few years ago and several hot air balloons.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator horn geometry |
In a message dated 2/9/2006 5:01:38 PM Central Standard Time,
Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org writes:
So my real question is - how much attention should we pay toward having our
pivoting controls in line and symetrical? It seems like even a 1/16th in would
introduce a noticable amount of slack in control cables.
Kirk,
The plans built flipper horns, and bellcrank, will have slack in the lower
cable, when in the neutral position. The holes in the horn, and pivot point
all line up. The cables tighten up when in the up, or down position. Ken
Perkins laid out a bellcrank that pretty much eliminated this condition of slack
/
tight in the original plans. However, in your case, I think it will
aggravate this condition, and I think the only way you will know for sure, is to
lay
out cardboard templets made from 12 pack beer carriers, pin the pivot points of
the horn and bellcrank to a surface that has the plans dimension between
them, tie your string to simulate the cables, and see what happens when you move
the templets through the arc. I would caution you to take the dimensions
of your actual plane, rather than rely on what is called out in the plans.
These Pietenpols...they're all different !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: passing lane |
Mark
I have bad news for you - You will get passed by 150's in a Piet. I sometimes
fly with a friend, he in his Cub with an A-65. We match speed pretty closely.
Once in a while I fly race track patterns at 700 ft over some of the local freeways.
It's amazing how traffic slows down.
Dick N.
Everyone talks about how slow a Piet is, but I used to get passed in 150s all
the time by school busses on the ground. Man was that embarassing lol
Mark
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