---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/09/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - Re: another experimental takes off to set another record (Clif Dawson) 2. 06:25 AM - making metal fittings (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:25 AM - Making Metal Fittings (Sayre, William G) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: making metal fittings (Steve Eldredge) 5. 07:04 AM - Re: making metal fittings (harvey rule) 6. 08:40 AM - making metal fittings (Dick Navratil) 7. 09:03 AM - Re: Making Metal Fittings (Robert Gow) 8. 12:26 PM - Mirrors on airplanes (Sayre, William G) 9. 01:02 PM - Re: Mirrors on airplanes (bike.mike) 10. 01:28 PM - passing lane (Michael D Cuy) 11. 01:45 PM - Florida Piet project on ebay (Michael D Cuy) 12. 02:23 PM - Fuel tank measurements (Kenneth M. Heide) 13. 02:52 PM - Re: passing lane (Rcaprd@aol.com) 14. 03:00 PM - Re: Elevator horn geometry (Kirk Huizenga) 15. 03:16 PM - Re: Fuel tank measurements (Kirk Huizenga) 16. 03:29 PM - Re: passing lane (Gary Gower) 17. 07:55 PM - Re: passing lane (Mark Blackwell) 18. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Elevator horn geometry (Rcaprd@aol.com) 19. 09:16 PM - Re: passing lane (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:32 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another experimental takes off to set another record --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Also at the official website; http://www.virginatlanticglobalflyer.com/Home/index.jsp Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule > > He can be tracked live on blueskynetwork.com;he's past Hamilton > Island,so far so good.That last message should have been Wrights not > rights.Sorry about that,my apologies to the Wright family.Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:48 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: making metal fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" I made a small aluminum bracket to attach to one of the cabane struts on 41CC, to mount a small mirror (don't laugh). It's one of the small round mirrors that you stick on to your vehicle's outside rear-view mirror to get a wider view of what's behind you. I like to be able to 'check six' in case the Red Baron is slipping up behind me ;o) Actually, it helps with preflight, you can see the flippers flipping, and when you hit the smoke you can watch your smoke trail to keep it straight ;o) Anyway, after trying several different products to make the small template for the bracket, I got the best results using the carton from a 12-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Don't laugh; it's good stuff. The carton, that is. Well, the PBR is, too. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making Metal Fittings From: "Sayre, William G" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" Jack! You forgot the frozen Pizza boxes. "The only thing I can add is that I found an ideal source of pattern cardboard to be a 12 pack or case of Budweiser." Bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:51 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: making metal fittings From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" I must confess to having a small mirror on the rear cabane for exactly this purpose. It also helped at Oshkosk- helped to terrify me to realize just how close that burly spinning prop was to my fragile tailfeathers as we taxied out in a scrunched line... Objects are closer than they appear! Yikes! Steve e -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: making metal fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" I made a small aluminum bracket to attach to one of the cabane struts on 41CC, to mount a small mirror (don't laugh). It's one of the small round mirrors that you stick on to your vehicle's outside rear-view mirror to get a wider view of what's behind you. I like to be able to 'check six' in case the Red Baron is slipping up behind me ;o) Actually, it helps with preflight, you can see the flippers flipping, and when you hit the smoke you can watch your smoke trail to keep it straight ;o) Anyway, after trying several different products to make the small template for the bracket, I got the best results using the carton from a 12-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Don't laugh; it's good stuff. The carton, that is. Well, the PBR is, too. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:28 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: making metal fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule The Spitfires during the WWII used mirrors and I think the Hurricanes did as well.Good idea;I think I'll do the same,thanks. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > I made a small aluminum bracket to attach to one of the cabane struts on > 41CC, to mount a small mirror (don't laugh). It's one of the small round > mirrors that you stick on to your vehicle's outside rear-view mirror to get > a wider view of what's behind you. I like to be able to 'check six' in case > the Red Baron is slipping up behind me ;o) Actually, it helps with > preflight, you can see the flippers flipping, and when you hit the smoke you > can watch your smoke trail to keep it straight ;o) > > Anyway, after trying several different products to make the small template > for the bracket, I got the best results using the carton from a 12-pack of > Pabst Blue Ribbon. Don't laugh; it's good stuff. The carton, that is. > Well, the PBR is, too. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:01 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: making metal fittings I also have a small round mirror attached to the cabane for the the same reasons as others. I bought one at a Bike shop and used cable ties to attach. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:38 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Making Metal Fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" I'd use Sleaman's. It would be a shame to dump out all that Bud just to get the case. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sayre, William G Sent: February 9, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making Metal Fittings --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" Jack! You forgot the frozen Pizza boxes. "The only thing I can add is that I found an ideal source of pattern cardboard to be a 12 pack or case of Budweiser." Bill ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mirrors on airplanes From: "Sayre, William G" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" I had a mirror on the strut of my tow-plane to verify that the cable with grappling hook hadn't caught on the rudder horn before I hooked the banner during a high-speed low pass. Heard about one pilot that crashed from the pull of the banner torqueing the rudder to one side and stalling during the turn. Even an F-15 has three mirrors around the windshield bow! Only fitting that a Pietenpol escort/pursuit ship have one. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:50 PM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mirrors on airplanes --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" > > Even an F-15 has three mirrors around the windshield bow! Only fitting > that a Pietenpol escort/pursuit ship have one. > Yeah, we used to have mirrors around the canopy bow on the F-4. We never had a chance to use them, though. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:42 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: passing lane Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other airplanes........ in case you want to change lanes. I did have the extreme pleasure of passing up the Goodyear blimp 'Spirit of Akron' a few years ago and several hot air balloons. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:25 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida Piet project on ebay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy This one is pretty far along and really not a bad price....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Air-Camper_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63679QQitemZ4611674341QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:55 PM PST US From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank measurements Fellow Pieter's: I have the unique opportunity to have aluminum fuel tanks manufactured from my in-law/outlaw who has all the necessary tools to make a nice fuel cell. Can a fellow Pieter's send me a drawing or thereof all the necessary measurements to have this prototype created. Since I will put forth all the materials and labor to have this tank made.....I thought it would be nice to create a pattern and offer fellow Pieter's the opportunity to purchase an quality inexpensive fuel tank. Thoughts? Lastly, I plan on creating either a wing reserve tanks or a header tank depending on the room and size to work within. So....send me your information, tab locations, height, width, depth etc.....since I do not have my center section built. My in-law/outlaw is a excellent fabricator who will have my calibrated eye looking over his shoulder which equals perfection! Ken H village idiot Fargo, ND --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:26 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passing lane In a message dated 2/9/2006 3:30:02 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes: Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other airplanes........ in case you want to change lanes. Or, maybe spot the impending bird strike...from the rear !! ;) Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:00 PM PST US From: "Kirk Huizenga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator horn geometry This past Saturday I went out to my local EAA chaper (54, Lake Elmo) and had a friend (and my technical advisor) weld new ears onto my elevator horns. The original, to-plans, bent ears were in bad shape and showing signs of stress when I removed them off the project. I haven't done any welding yet, so I didn't want to try tackling .032 steel as my first test. Today I test fit the elevator horn and checked to see how the cable connection holes aligned with the Vi Kapler hinges I have. What I found out was that with the current set-up the hinge pivot point does not line up with the elevator holes. I figure that there is about 3/16" difference in the holes - which translates to about 1/16" difference in travel when moved 20 degrees. This doesn't seem like much, but I'm wondering if the pivot offset on the bellcrack will increase that. I'll work on figuring that out. So my real question is - how much attention should we pay toward having our pivoting controls in line and symetrical? It seems like even a 1/16th in would introduce a noticable amount of slack in control cables. I'm attaching a picture not knowing if it will make it through. Kirk ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:29 PM PST US From: "Kirk Huizenga" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank measurements --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kirk Huizenga" Ken, This is likely not as detailed as you want, but you can get an ideal of the dimensions of my current tanks at http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/mykit64.jpg http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesPlanes/mykit66.jpg Hope it helps Kirk >>> kmheidecpo@yahoo.com 02/09/06 4:22 PM >>> Fellow Pieter's: I have the unique opportunity to have aluminum fuel tanks manufactured from my in-law/outlaw who has all the necessary tools to make a nice fuel cell. Can a fellow Pieter's send me a drawing or thereof all the necessary measurements to have this prototype created. Since I will put forth all the materials and labor to have this tank made.....I thought it would be nice to create a pattern and offer fellow Pieter's the opportunity to purchase an quality inexpensive fuel tank. Thoughts? Lastly, I plan on creating either a wing reserve tanks or a header tank depending on the room and size to work within. So....send me your information, tab locations, height, width, depth etc.....since I do not have my center section built. My in-law/outlaw is a excellent fabricator who will have my calibrated eye looking over his shoulder which equals perfection! Ken H village idiot Fargo, ND --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:29 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passing lane Gee... Mike, You have the fastest Piet here! :-) I bet was a great view to fly near the Blimp. Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive. Michael D Cuy wrote: Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other airplanes........ in case you want to change lanes. I did have the extreme pleasure of passing up the Goodyear blimp 'Spirit of Akron' a few years ago and several hot air balloons. Mike C. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:09 PM PST US From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passing lane Well my most interesting aircraft ever seen in flight was 1) A Lockheed Constellation and it was just a few years ago as well 2) A Ford Tri motor and 3) I landed behind the Concorde once as well. Everyone talks about how slow a Piet is, but I used to get passed in 150s all the time by school busses on the ground. Man was that embarassing lol Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passing lane Gee... Mike, You have the fastest Piet here! :-) I bet was a great view to fly near the Blimp. Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive. Michael D Cuy wrote: Mirrors are a good idea since most Pietenpols get passed up by most other airplanes........ in case you want to change lanes. I did have the extreme pleasure of passing up the Goodyear blimp 'Spirit of Akron' a few years ago and several hot air balloons. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:43 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator horn geometry In a message dated 2/9/2006 5:01:38 PM Central Standard Time, Kirk.Huizenga@moundsviewschools.org writes: So my real question is - how much attention should we pay toward having our pivoting controls in line and symetrical? It seems like even a 1/16th in would introduce a noticable amount of slack in control cables. Kirk, The plans built flipper horns, and bellcrank, will have slack in the lower cable, when in the neutral position. The holes in the horn, and pivot point all line up. The cables tighten up when in the up, or down position. Ken Perkins laid out a bellcrank that pretty much eliminated this condition of slack / tight in the original plans. However, in your case, I think it will aggravate this condition, and I think the only way you will know for sure, is to lay out cardboard templets made from 12 pack beer carriers, pin the pivot points of the horn and bellcrank to a surface that has the plans dimension between them, tie your string to simulate the cables, and see what happens when you move the templets through the arc. I would caution you to take the dimensions of your actual plane, rather than rely on what is called out in the plans. These Pietenpols...they're all different !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:34 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passing lane Mark I have bad news for you - You will get passed by 150's in a Piet. I sometimes fly with a friend, he in his Cub with an A-65. We match speed pretty closely. Once in a while I fly race track patterns at 700 ft over some of the local freeways. It's amazing how traffic slows down. Dick N. Everyone talks about how slow a Piet is, but I used to get passed in 150s all the time by school busses on the ground. Man was that embarassing lol Mark