---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/16/06: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:18 AM - Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 2. 09:54 AM - Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 10:43 AM - Re: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? (Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com) 4. 11:00 AM - Re: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? (Barry Davis) 5. 02:58 PM - Re: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 6. 05:30 PM - height (Ben Ramler) 7. 08:09 PM - Re: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? (Glenn Thomas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:22 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Some time back I purchased a Corvair crank with a prop hub and safety shaft that according to the seller was installed by Bernard himself. I have a better crank that I intend to use instead and I would like to remove the safety shaft from the crank that the hub came with in order to reuse it on my good crank. This may be more of a Corvaircraft list question, but since it is a Bernard Pietenpol installation, I figure the answer may well reside within the epistemological plurality of this board. I have just been informed of the possibility that the safety shaft may be cross pinned to the crank underneath the crank timing gear/ hub. Can anyone on this list confirm this information? Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:23 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" I don't know about epistemological plurality, but the Pietenpol Corvair conversion drawings that I have don't show a cross-pin through the safety shaft under the gear. That was a William Wynne enhancement. If yours is a true Pietenpol hub conversion, the safety shaft should be simply threaded into the crank nose. Anybody else see a cross-pin? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:43 AM PST US From: Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? I agree. I don't see any cross pin on my plans either. My corvair was converted per Pietenpol's plans and I did not install any pins. JIM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:06 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" If it is locktighted in, just heat to 300 F and remove. Be sure to wait till your wife goes to the store before you poke that crankshaft in the kitchen oven for a half hour or so. If not, she may remind you of this for the rest of your life. bed ----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" > > > Some time back I purchased a Corvair crank with a prop hub and safety > shaft > that according to the seller was installed by Bernard himself. I have a > better crank that I intend to use instead and I would like to remove the > safety shaft from the crank that the hub came with in order to reuse it on > my good crank. This may be more of a Corvaircraft list question, but since > it is a Bernard Pietenpol installation, I figure the answer may well > reside > within the epistemological plurality of this board. I have just been > informed of the possibility that the safety shaft may be cross pinned to > the > crank underneath the crank timing gear/ hub. Can anyone on this list > confirm > this information? > > Michael Silvius > > Scarborough, Maine > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:06 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Oscar et all: Many thanks for the responses, I have my answer. Per plans, and per Mr. Dan Wilson on this list who just spoke w/ Vi Kapler. Vi worked with B. Pietenpol through the 1970s, and he confirmed that "Bernard never removed a crank gear from any crankshaft that he ever used for an aircraft" and thus no X pins would be beneath the timing gear. This is good information. It means I can easily pull and reuse the safety shaft on my good crank. I shall use the oven for heat to 300 deg as recommended, once I locate a suitable size lock nut. thanks to you all: Michael Silvius in Scarborough, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > I don't know about epistemological plurality, but the Pietenpol Corvair > conversion drawings that I have don't show a cross-pin through the safety > shaft under the gear. That was a William Wynne enhancement. If yours is a > true Pietenpol hub conversion, the safety shaft should be simply threaded > into the crank nose. > > Anybody else see a cross-pin? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:16 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Pietenpol-List: height Hello Listers, Let me ask a question. I think there was some talk of a persons height so let me ask what is the max height someone can be to fit in the front cockpit? Let me pose this again. Considering that in Minnesota that 4 months or so are really cold does anyone fly during the winter? Maybe the cub would be the next best choice. Has equipped their peit with a sling underneath or anything for carrying extra stuff if the front is taken by another passenger? Thanks for the input, Ben Ramler SW Minnesota --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:25 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" In the William Wynne manual he talks about how an engineer explained to him that it was a stress riser and he hasn't used one since. He just says to use locktite. Look at page 35 of the WW Conversion Manual for his discussion on the topic. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair/ B. Pietenpol installed saftey shaft? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > I don't know about epistemological plurality, but the Pietenpol Corvair > conversion drawings that I have don't show a cross-pin through the safety > shaft under the gear. That was a William Wynne enhancement. If yours is a > true Pietenpol hub conversion, the safety shaft should be simply threaded > into the crank nose. > > Anybody else see a cross-pin? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >