Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/24/06


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 10:32 AM - pietenpol engine choice (Mike Luther)
     2. 10:48 AM - 0-200 on a Piet (Michael D Cuy)
     3. 10:51 AM - Re: pietenpol engine choice (Phillips, Jack)
     4. 11:28 AM - Re: pietenpol engine choice (Steve Ruse)
     5. 02:36 PM - Re: pietenpol engine choice (Barry Davis)
     6. 03:04 PM - Chuck G Video (Rock-a-Wing)
     7. 03:07 PM - Re: pietenpol engine choice (Gene Beenenga)
     8. 03:56 PM - Re: pietenpol engine choice (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
     9. 04:28 PM - Engine choice info duly noted, EAA Chapter 42 member selling his Piet project (Mike Luther)
    10. 05:00 PM - Re: Fly-In near Norman, OK this Saturday (02/25) (Steve Ruse)
    11. 07:47 PM - Weight of a completed wing (Rick Holland)
    12. 09:19 PM - Re: Chuck G Video (Rcaprd@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:32:57 AM PST US
    From: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
    Subject: pietenpol engine choice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> Hi Guys: I would like everyone's opinion (good or bad) of the engine and prop that I have hanging from my Piet. O-200 Continental with a DCM 6948 McCauley prop. (Certified) Before you "let me have it with both barrels" , you gotta realize that I have spent "many, many moons" agonizing over what seems to be every possible combination. --Sweet sounding and running Model A with a hand-crafted prop. (At the time of my decision I was flying out of an airstrip that had a late springtime density altitude of ~ 8200 ft. ) --Smooth running and affordable Corvair. (This was at a time prior to William Wynn and before I had many mechanical skills) --Kinner radial (Nice dream) --65 and 75hp Continental (I am not comfortable with hand propping and I know that if it is done properly a fellow can do it from behind the prop with a minimum of effort) --85hp and 90hp Continental,electric start (Good reputation, maybe even better reputation than the O-200, I made my decision back during the Trade a Plane newspaper days. Before E-bay and e-mail.) Any sound advice would be appreciated Mike Luther


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    Time: 10:48:46 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: 0-200 on a Piet
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Mike L, That is a great choice of engine for a Pietenpol and others have used the 0-200 successfully in the past like Mike Brusilow in NY state. Even though you have the excess power, still try to build light and keep the bells and whistles to what you really think you'll need. You should get some very good performance even on warm days with a passenger. You add two or three feet to the wings and you'll have a super climber ! Mike C.


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    Time: 10:51:50 AM PST US
    Subject: pietenpol engine choice
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> Mike you know what they say about opinions - opinions are like a**holes - everybody's got one and most are full of xxxx Having said that, my opinion is you've got a good combination there. The O-200 is a good engine and a far better engine than a C85 Continental. Without a generator or starter, the O-200 doesn't weigh a lot more than an A65 with half again as much power. It does turn faster and doesn't have (to my ear) as satisfying a sound as a Model A, or an A65, but I think it sounds better than a Corvair - again just my opinion, but I've gotten used to the sound of my A65. More power is always a good thing. If you want to save gas you can always throttle it back. As for the metal prop, metal props are more efficient, and make the engine run smoother (better flywheel). They also don't have to be re-torqued periodically like wooden props do. With that engine with a generator and starter and a metal prop, you might have the world's first nose-heavy Pietenpol. Do it, Man! Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Luther Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: pietenpol engine choice --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> Hi Guys: I would like everyone's opinion (good or bad) of the engine and prop that I have hanging from my Piet. O-200 Continental with a DCM 6948 McCauley prop. (Certified) Before you "let me have it with both barrels" , you gotta realize that I have spent "many, many moons" agonizing over what seems to be every possible combination. --Sweet sounding and running Model A with a hand-crafted prop. (At the time of my decision I was flying out of an airstrip that had a late springtime density altitude of ~ 8200 ft. ) --Smooth running and affordable Corvair. (This was at a time prior to William Wynn and before I had many mechanical skills) --Kinner radial (Nice dream) --65 and 75hp Continental (I am not comfortable with hand propping and I know that if it is done properly a fellow can do it from behind the prop with a minimum of effort) --85hp and 90hp Continental,electric start (Good reputation, maybe even better reputation than the O-200, I made my decision back during the Trade a Plane newspaper days. Before E-bay and e-mail.) Any sound advice would be appreciated Mike Luther This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Espanol - Deutsch - Nederlands - Francais - Italiano - Norsk - Svenska - Japanese - Danish - Portuguese: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email


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    Time: 11:28:11 AM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: pietenpol engine choice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> My GN-1 has an A-75. The builder flew it with an O-200 for about 7hrs, but removed it because it had "too much torque" according to the logs (I've never driven, flown, or used any machine that had too much torque, but thats another thread). I wish it still had the O-200 with no generator or starter, and a good old wood prop. I might take a generator, but I don't think I'd install a starter if someone gave it to me for free. In my opinion, the perfect engine for a Pietenpol would be a C-90 (but the O-200 is a close second). The weight and power are great for this plane. My A-75 is decent, but when I have a passenger on board, I'm always wishing I had a little more power. A 150lb passenger increases the weight of my plane by 18%, and probably degrades the climb performance by a similar amount. 27% more horsepower would be nice at those times, and you can always throttle it back in cruise for fuel economy & range. Steve Ruse N6383J - Norman, OK Quoting "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> > > Mike you know what they say about opinions - opinions are like a**holes > - everybody's got one and most are full of xxxx > > Having said that, my opinion is you've got a good combination there. > The O-200 is a good engine and a far better engine than a C85 > Continental. Without a generator or starter, the O-200 doesn't weigh a > lot more than an A65 with half again as much power. > > It does turn faster and doesn't have (to my ear) as satisfying a sound > as a Model A, or an A65, but I think it sounds better than a Corvair - > again just my opinion, but I've gotten used to the sound of my A65. > > More power is always a good thing. If you want to save gas you can > always throttle it back. > > As for the metal prop, metal props are more efficient, and make the > engine run smoother (better flywheel). They also don't have to be > re-torqued periodically like wooden props do. With that engine with a > generator and starter and a metal prop, you might have the world's first > nose-heavy Pietenpol. > > Do it, Man! > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Luther > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:30 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: pietenpol engine choice > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> > > Hi Guys: > > I would like everyone's opinion (good or bad) of the engine and prop > that I have hanging from my Piet. > > O-200 Continental with a DCM 6948 McCauley prop. (Certified) > > Before you "let me have it with both barrels" , you gotta realize that I > have spent "many, many moons" agonizing over what seems to be every > possible combination. > > --Sweet sounding and running Model A with a hand-crafted prop. (At the > time of my decision I was flying out of an airstrip that had a late > springtime density altitude of ~ 8200 ft. ) > > --Smooth running and affordable Corvair. (This was at a time prior to > William Wynn and before I had many mechanical skills) > > --Kinner radial (Nice dream) > > --65 and 75hp Continental (I am not comfortable with hand propping and I > know that if it is done properly a fellow can do it from behind the prop > with a minimum of effort) > > --85hp and 90hp Continental,electric start (Good reputation, maybe even > better reputation than the O-200, I made my decision back during the > Trade a Plane newspaper days. Before E-bay and e-mail.) > > > Any sound advice would be appreciated > > > Mike Luther


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    Time: 02:36:57 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: pietenpol engine choice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> Excellent choice. Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Luther" <luther@gci.net> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: pietenpol engine choice > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> > > Hi Guys: > > I would like everyone's opinion (good or bad) of the engine and prop that > I have hanging from my Piet. > > O-200 Continental with a DCM 6948 McCauley prop. (Certified) > > Before you "let me have it with both barrels" , you gotta realize that I > have spent "many, many moons" agonizing over what seems to be every > possible combination. > > --Sweet sounding and running Model A with a hand-crafted prop. (At the > time of my decision I was flying out of an airstrip that had a late > springtime density altitude of ~ 8200 ft. ) > > --Smooth running and affordable Corvair. (This was at a time prior to > William Wynn and before I had many mechanical skills) > > --Kinner radial (Nice dream) > > --65 and 75hp Continental (I am not comfortable with hand propping and I > know that if it is done properly a fellow can do it from behind the prop > with a minimum of effort) > > --85hp and 90hp Continental,electric start (Good reputation, maybe even > better reputation than the O-200, I made my decision back during the Trade > a Plane newspaper days. Before E-bay and e-mail.) > > > Any sound advice would be appreciated > > > Mike Luther > > >


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    Time: 03:04:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Chuck G Video
    From: "Rock-a-Wing" <john.rocca@us.army.mil>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rock-a-Wing" <john.rocca@us.army.mil> Hey Chuck-just got done watching your DVD again and was wondering if that wind-mill farm is in full swing yet? Also, did you receive the two DVDs I sent? Been doing any flying lately? Will be picking up my Piet probably this April-Once I get her assembled I'll have to fly her over to that restaurant shown on the DVD for breakfast. John Rocca Pittsburgh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14781#14781


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    Time: 03:07:19 PM PST US
    From: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: pietenpol engine choice
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net> Barry, one simple little question regarding your "survey" (dontya loves these!) how is your financial situation. from my perspective (and everyone keep in mind, 99.9% of all matronics comments stem from individual opinions) it would appear all of your options, the ones you offered, are viable applications to the Piet. Some would even be pretty (Kinner). so if finances are not a problem go "fancy" or simplest or easiest to maintain, they all will work and for the most part are dependable, so in my humble opinion it comes down to the ole green stuff. and I believe the winner in this case would be the Corvair. Mean Gene NX5893 or EAA78259 -----Original Message----- >From: Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> >Sent: Feb 24, 2006 4:34 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pietenpol engine choice > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > >Excellent choice. >Barry Davis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Luther" <luther@gci.net> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:29 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: pietenpol engine choice > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> >> >> Hi Guys: >> >> I would like everyone's opinion (good or bad) of the engine and prop that >> I have hanging from my Piet. >> >> O-200 Continental with a DCM 6948 McCauley prop. (Certified) >> >> Before you "let me have it with both barrels" , you gotta realize that I >> have spent "many, many moons" agonizing over what seems to be every >> possible combination. >> >> --Sweet sounding and running Model A with a hand-crafted prop. (At the >> time of my decision I was flying out of an airstrip that had a late >> springtime density altitude of ~ 8200 ft. ) >> >> --Smooth running and affordable Corvair. (This was at a time prior to >> William Wynn and before I had many mechanical skills) >> >> --Kinner radial (Nice dream) >> >> --65 and 75hp Continental (I am not comfortable with hand propping and I >> know that if it is done properly a fellow can do it from behind the prop >> with a minimum of effort) >> >> --85hp and 90hp Continental,electric start (Good reputation, maybe even >> better reputation than the O-200, I made my decision back during the Trade >> a Plane newspaper days. Before E-bay and e-mail.) >> >> >> Any sound advice would be appreciated >> >> >> Mike Luther >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:56:42 PM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: pietenpol engine choice
    Steve, What prop do you have? Does it let you turn up to full RPM for the A75? I am planning to use an A75 too. But I have 74CK44 Sensenich prop. This will limit my static RPM, so my engine will perform same as an A65. I agree.... A Piet would be sweet with a C90... Best of the little continentals. Terry B.


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    Time: 04:28:40 PM PST US
    From: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net>
    Subject: Engine choice info duly noted, EAA Chapter 42 member
    selling his Piet project --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mike Luther <luther@gci.net> Thanks, Mike ,Jack ,Steve, Barry, and Gene for the advice. I told our former EAA Chapter 42 treasurer, Rob Spoo, that I would mention his project on this list. His ad is on our Chapter website www.eaa42.org (link to Planes for Sale) (link to monthly Newsletters for all necessary phone numbers or E-mail addresses) All that I know about the project is that Rob bought it from a guy that bought it from another guy..... There seems to be a lot of "pieces,parts and plans" with this project, along with a Corvair core. Asking $1500.00 I have never seen this project and don't really want to cause I have my hands full with my Piet. We have three excellent Tech Counselors in our group. If you, as the purchaser, can get Cliff Balleau (sp) to OK the workmanship on this project, then his word is as good as Gold, in my opinion. Cliff is an A.I. that is currently building a Beech Staggerwing from plans. He finished a Starduster Biplane about 5 years ago. Hopefully this works for someone out there. Mike Luther EAA Chapter 42 Secretary Anchorage, Alaska


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    Time: 05:00:50 PM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Re: Fly-In near Norman, OK this Saturday (02/25)
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> We're going to do this on Sunday at noon instead of Saturday due to the weather. Hope everyone gets this in time. Steve Ruse N6383J - Norman, OK Quoting Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>: > Hope this isn't too off-topic: > > Anyone who wants to come out is welcome. My plane is the only GN-1 I know of > that will be there, but there will be a few cubs, 170's, a 180, and a few of > those types. I sure would like to see some Pietenpols or GN-1's there! > > We'll be at O44, McCaslin Airport, about 10 miles south of Norman. > Its a 2,100' > grass strip. If you get there late and no one is around, walk down the dirt > road to the red-roof building across the street (~1/4 mile south, see map > below). That is where we'll be eating lunch. > > Map of field: > http://www.wotelectronics.com/O44.jpg > > Arrive at between 11 & 11:30. > O44 CTAF is 122.9 (the CTAF is not listed on sectionals) > AWOS is 119.55 (KOUN). > Left traffic. > > O44 is in my GPS database and on the sectional, but here are the approximate > Lat/Long coordinates: > Lat: 35* 05' 32.254 N > Long: 97* 20' 11.104 W > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK - N6383J > > Do not archive >


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    Time: 07:47:47 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Weight of a completed wing
    Want to do a very rough W&B, does anyone have an approximate finished weight for a three piece wing (covered and painted)?. Thanks -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:19:49 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Chuck G Video
    In a message dated 2/24/2006 6:46:09 PM Central Standard Time, john.rocca@us.army.mil writes: Hey Chuck-just got done watching your DVD again and was wondering if that wind-mill farm is in full swing yet? Also, did you receive the two DVDs I sent? Been doing any flying lately? Will be picking up my Piet probably this April-Once I get her assembled I'll have to fly her over to that restaurant shown on the DVD for breakfast. John Rocca Pittsburgh Hi John, Yes, I've heard the windmills are churning out the amps. Haven't been back out there yet, but it's a really great area to fly in. Ya got the Flint Hills, where the rolling grasslands grow a unique species of natural grass that the cows & buffalo's get fattened up on. Then ya got that massive Windmill Farm, that you can easily see from over 20 miles away...quite a sight. Ah yes, then you've got the Beaumont Breakfast. Quant little town out in the middle of nowhere, that has a beautiful little motel / restaurant, a grass strip, and one of the best breakfasts that I've ever had. We will Definitely meet out there when you get your ship airworthy. Yes, I got the DVD's back. I have found that about 10% of the DVD players out there will not recognize the format my computer burns to DVD-R discs, but when I burn to a DVD+R disc those players work fine. My player works with the -R, but will not work with the +R. I'm going to contract out a large quantity of the video 'Stamped' as opposed to 'Burned', so that all players will read the format, then start to really market my video. Thank you for your patience during this learning curve. I haven't done any of that Pilot stuff for several months. I'm going to finish up the rework on my prop this weekend. Flying season is almost here !! I finally got my web site up and running a few days ago, and keep updating it every day. I've got lots more stuff planned to put up there. Here is the web address - http://nx770cg.com/ Chuck G. NX770CG




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