Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 02/27/06


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:30 AM - Chuck Gantzer's website (M&M Stanley)
     2. 11:02 AM - Smoke system (Sayre, William G)
     3. 12:51 PM - Re: Red Betsy (Barry Davis)
     4. 01:45 PM - Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" (Glenn Thomas)
     5. 01:47 PM - aircraft jack stand (Oscar Zuniga)
     6. 02:05 PM - Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" (DJ Vegh)
     7. 02:32 PM - Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" (walt evans)
     8. 02:32 PM - Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" (Bill Church)
     9. 02:35 PM - Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" (walt evans)
    10. 03:09 PM - Re: CC: From GN-1 List (Dale Johnson)
    11. 03:17 PM - Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled engine (john e fay)
    12. 03:57 PM - Re: CC: From GN-1 List (DJ Vegh)
    13. 04:06 PM - Re: CC: From GN-1 List (Alan Lyscars)
    14. 04:38 PM - Re: CC: From GN-1 List (Alan Lyscars)
    15. 04:42 PM - Sun-N-Fun (Alan Lyscars)
    16. 04:48 PM - Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" (Glenn Thomas)
    17. 06:23 PM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled engine (Ben Charvet)
    18. 06:27 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Ben Charvet)
    19. 06:45 PM - Re: CC: From GN-1 List (DJ Vegh)
    20. 07:17 PM - Sun-N-Fun (Dick Navratil)
    21. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/25/06 (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    22. 08:46 PM - Re: TACOs head south of the border? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    23. 09:08 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Jim Ash)
    24. 10:56 PM - Re: TACOs head south of the border? (Gary Gower)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:30:32 AM PST US
    From: "M&M Stanley" <tomiya@di.mbn.or.jp>
    Subject: Chuck Gantzer's website
    Hi all, Just had a look at Chuck G's website. Yep, I agree that simple is good. I also like the Piet accident list that he has on his site. It's not always a 'good' subject but I feel that it is a very important addition to any Piet builders knowledge. Anything that can help to keep Piet pilots and planes in one piece has to be good. I'm a long way off doing any Piet flying but it is a sobering reminder that although the Piet is a fantastic fun plane, we still need to keep out heads screwed on the right way when flying them. (any flying machine for that fact ). I just want to say thanks Chuck for taking the time to gather all of this info into one easy to read/access list, great work ! Safe Flying to all. Regs Mark S Japan Hinged the fin/rudder..............my first 'moving part'... happyhappyhappy !


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    Time: 11:02:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Smoke system
    From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com> Tidbits that might be helpful: J C Whitney has windshield washer kits (both vertical and horizontal tanks) for $20.00 [jcwhitney.com (Order Number: 2337065 - vertical)] This pump will take about 5-minutes to drain just over a quart of baby-oil though two #60 holes in a copper pipe. Tyco pump from auto parts store pumps WAY faster and drains one gallon in about the same time. Whitney pump would wet the windshield whereas the Tyco pump would pump it over the entire vehicle. Tyco also pulled battery down quicker. Will post more after learning more. Bill


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    Time: 12:51:47 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Red Betsy
    I think those show dates are for 2003 and 2004. I haven't been able to find out anything about this movie for a couple of years now. even contacting the studio was no help. Please post if anyone has any information about how to buy this movie or how to see it. I don't know anyone that has seen it. I think they only had 175 screens in the US, and that is a very limited showing. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: piet list Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Red Betsy Got wondering about "Red Betsy" Guess it's still making it's way around the country. Out on the west coast right now. For you newer guys, This movie has a Pietenpol in it. Not alot of scenes, but good shots. Here's the site where you can download the Trailer. Also follow show times http://www.redbetsy.com/start.html walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 01:45:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2"
    From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> Last night we had our monthly meeting at a hangar where one of the members is building a Waco. Beautiful plane. The uncovered wings were on display with ribs made with what appeared to be 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. I was talking with a gentleman who has done Pietenpol maiden flights before (and will fly mine if I play my cards, or build my plane, right) and he urged me to build as light as possible. As we talked he looked at the Waco wing and said that building the wing this way is one of the ways I could save on weight. Another member building a Pober Jr. Ace says that he is helping up at Oshkosh to build a wing for a Pietenpol and that it's only 1/4" x 1/4". I heard once that Paul Poberezny built one this way. Is this mainstream thinking or were a couple made this way for other reasons (testing/experimentation)? I searched the archives and found this but I'm not sure where the information was quoted from and if it was refering to a Piet but I don't know how you could talk about materials out of the context of particular application... Walt, if you have more info I'd love to know if I could save weight on my wing. The person I was talking to said that Mr. Pietenpol designed it at 1/2" wide because he was most likely using pine. >>Ed, >> The lumber list that I ordered spruce from stated "under 65 hp use >>1/4"X1/4" cap strips,,,over 65hp use 1/4"X1/2" capstrip". >>I used 1/4"X1/2". >>walt evans >>NX140DL Thanks -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18136#18136


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    Time: 01:47:46 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: aircraft jack stand
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Chuck wrote- >The top of the stand needs to be tied back to the bottom of the lift >struts, >too, or the stand slides forward on the bottom of the plane. Gotcha. No lift struts on my airplane at this time, but the mounting lugs are there. And with regard to the brass inserts for the nylon brake line tubing, I knew about that already since it's clearly shown in the Wicks catalog and of course Tony Bingelis' book points that out as well. I was just a little leery of overtightening the fittings onto the tubing but also didn't want the tubing to pop out under hard braking. The Nylo-seal fittings say to stab the tubing into the fitting and tighten 2 to 2-1/2 turns but the brass fittings say no such thing. I'll just use my best judgement. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 02:05:15 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2"
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com> my dad's Fisher Celebrity has them as being 1/4x1/4 with an option to use 1/4x1/2.


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    Time: 02:32:53 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2"
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net> Glen, The quote there was on my lumber list that I worked from. My last project was a Fisher 404, and all ribs were 1/4x1/4 . the experimental version had a Rotax 503 and flew around 90mph. It's amazing , but the 404 had a rating of something like +6G's -4G's (just from memory) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" > <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> > > Last night we had our monthly meeting at a hangar where one of the members > is building a Waco. Beautiful plane. The uncovered wings were on display > with ribs made with what appeared to be 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. I was > talking with a gentleman who has done Pietenpol maiden flights before (and > will fly mine if I play my cards, or build my plane, right) and he urged > me to build as light as possible. As we talked he looked at the Waco wing > and said that building the wing this way is one of the ways I could save > on weight. Another member building a Pober Jr. Ace says that he is > helping up at Oshkosh to build a wing for a Pietenpol and that it's only > 1/4" x 1/4". I heard once that Paul Poberezny built one this way. Is > this mainstream thinking or were a couple made this way for other reasons > (testing/experimentation)? > > I searched the archives and found this but I'm not sure where the > information was quoted from and if it was refering to a Piet but I don't > know how you could talk about materials out of the context of particular > application... > > Walt, if you have more info I'd love to know if I could save weight on my > wing. The person I was talking to said that Mr. Pietenpol designed it at > 1/2" wide because he was most likely using pine. > > >>>Ed, >>> The lumber list that I ordered spruce from stated "under 65 hp use >>>1/4"X1/4" cap strips,,,over 65hp use 1/4"X1/2" capstrip". >>>I used 1/4"X1/2". > >>>walt evans >>>NX140DL > > Thanks > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18136#18136 > > >


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    Time: 02:32:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2"
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> There were a couple of Piet wings under construction in the "Pietenpol" hangar at Brodhead last year that appeared to have 1/4" x 1/4" capstrips (I didn't actually measure), but as I remember, they were Sky Scout wings, not Air Camper wings. Many flying Air Campers have ribs built with Red Cedar, which is slightly less strong than Sitka, so it seems logical to make the conclusion that 1/4" x 1/2" Sitka is more than sufficient, strength-wise, and perhaps over-designed. Before I ripped my spruce, I thought about going halfway between, and using 1/4" x 3/8", but chickened out and built mine as per plans (1/4" x 1/2"). Of course, that's all I have completed so far, so what do I know? Bill


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    Time: 02:35:58 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2"
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net> Friend of mine is on the fisher group. He built a BEAUTIFUL Celebrity, and is a glider instructor. I'll ask him and get back. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2" > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" > <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> > > Last night we had our monthly meeting at a hangar where one of the members > is building a Waco. Beautiful plane. The uncovered wings were on display > with ribs made with what appeared to be 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. I was > talking with a gentleman who has done Pietenpol maiden flights before (and > will fly mine if I play my cards, or build my plane, right) and he urged > me to build as light as possible. As we talked he looked at the Waco wing > and said that building the wing this way is one of the ways I could save > on weight. Another member building a Pober Jr. Ace says that he is > helping up at Oshkosh to build a wing for a Pietenpol and that it's only > 1/4" x 1/4". I heard once that Paul Poberezny built one this way. Is > this mainstream thinking or were a couple made this way for other reasons > (testing/experimentation)? > > I searched the archives and found this but I'm not sure where the > information was quoted from and if it was refering to a Piet but I don't > know how you could talk about materials out of the context of particular > application... > > Walt, if you have more info I'd love to know if I could save weight on my > wing. The person I was talking to said that Mr. Pietenpol designed it at > 1/2" wide because he was most likely using pine. > > >>>Ed, >>> The lumber list that I ordered spruce from stated "under 65 hp use >>>1/4"X1/4" cap strips,,,over 65hp use 1/4"X1/2" capstrip". >>>I used 1/4"X1/2". > >>>walt evans >>>NX140DL > > Thanks > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18136#18136 > > >


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    Time: 03:09:56 PM PST US
    From: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
    Subject: CC: From GN-1 List
    Alan My GN 1 plans showes 21" for the front struts & 21 3/4" for the rear struts. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars Sent: 2/26/2006 7:48:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Greetings Fellows, I'm going to copy my question from the GN-1 list to you; I hope that, in the spirit of scratch building, you all won't take offense at having a GN-1 question posted to this list. Thanks, to all as ever, for your help. Alan Gents: I've been following a thread on the Piet list concerning the length of cabane struts on the Pietenpol. In a sample response from builders, all front struts were taller than the rear-averaging 23" front and 22" rear. Our GN-1 plans call for 23 1/4" fronts, and 23 1/2" rears. Are you fellows using these plans dimensions (are they accurate?) or have you altered the lengths of the cabanes? Alan Lyscars Portland, Maine


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    Time: 03:17:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled
    engine
    From: john e fay <jefay@juno.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay <jefay@juno.com> Hans, I was looking at your website the other night. Is there any chance you'll be able to bring your new Piet to Brodhead this summer. I would love to see it up close, especially with the William Wynne corvair engine. I need some advice from you and any others that have experience along this line. I have a corvair engine. I have just received William Wynne's new video about how to disassemble it. I have a little class of 5 high school boys who are going to work with me the next two weeks to take it apart to prepare it for an eventual rebuild. But I do not expect to rebuild it for a year or two. How do you recommend we clean the various parts, and what is the best way to store the parts for a year or more? Any good advice would be appreciated. I am a total novice on motors. I have never taken apart an engine before, or even opened one up. John Fay in Peoria


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    Time: 03:57:42 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: CC: From GN-1 List
    don't do the GN-1 to the plans lest you will fly tail low. Set your wing so that you have a 1.8=B0 AOI. The plans put the wing at an angle quite a bit less than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Piet List Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Alan My GN 1 plans showes 21" for the front struts & 21 3/4" for the rear struts. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: 2/26/2006 7:48:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Greetings Fellows, I'm going to copy my question from the GN-1 list to you; I hope that, in the spirit of scratch building, you all won't take offense at having a GN-1 question posted to this list. Thanks, to all as ever, for your help. Alan Gents: I've been following a thread on the Piet list concerning the length of cabane struts on the Pietenpol. In a sample response from builders, all front struts were taller than the rear-averaging 23" front and 22" rear. Our GN-1 plans call for 23 1/4" fronts, and 23 1/2" rears. Are you fellows using these plans dimensions (are they accurate?) or have you altered the lengths of the cabanes? Alan Lyscars Portland, Maine


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    Time: 04:06:02 PM PST US
    From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: CC: From GN-1 List
    Thanks, Dale, for your response. I'm purdy sure, however, that those dimensions are the cabane spacing, center-to-center, of the cabanes as attached to the fuselage. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Piet List Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Alan My GN 1 plans showes 21" for the front struts & 21 3/4" for the rear struts. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: 2/26/2006 7:48:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Greetings Fellows, I'm going to copy my question from the GN-1 list to you; I hope that, in the spirit of scratch building, you all won't take offense at having a GN-1 question posted to this list. Thanks, to all as ever, for your help. Alan Gents: I've been following a thread on the Piet list concerning the length of cabane struts on the Pietenpol. In a sample response from builders, all front struts were taller than the rear-averaging 23" front and 22" rear. Our GN-1 plans call for 23 1/4" fronts, and 23 1/2" rears. Are you fellows using these plans dimensions (are they accurate?) or have you altered the lengths of the cabanes? Alan Lyscars Portland, Maine


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    Time: 04:38:08 PM PST US
    From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: CC: From GN-1 List
    Thank you DJ. What do you reccommend for cabane dimensions? Sincerely, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List don't do the GN-1 to the plans lest you will fly tail low. Set your wing so that you have a 1.8=B0 AOI. The plans put the wing at an angle quite a bit less than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Piet List Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Alan My GN 1 plans showes 21" for the front struts & 21 3/4" for the rear struts. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: 2/26/2006 7:48:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC: >From GN-1 List Greetings Fellows, I'm going to copy my question from the GN-1 list to you; I hope that, in the spirit of scratch building, you all won't take offense at having a GN-1 question posted to this list. Thanks, to all as ever, for your help. Alan Gents: I've been following a thread on the Piet list concerning the length of cabane struts on the Pietenpol. In a sample response from builders, all front struts were taller than the rear-averaging 23" front and 22" rear. Our GN-1 plans call for 23 1/4" fronts, and 23 1/2" rears. Are you fellows using these plans dimensions (are they accurate?) or have you altered the lengths of the cabanes? Alan Lyscars Portland, Maine


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    Time: 04:42:24 PM PST US
    From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com>
    Subject: Sun-N-Fun
    By-The-Way, Will any of you all be attending SNF this April? My wife is tossing me out of the house (hope not PERMANENTLY!!!) that week. I'll be there Tues. thru Fri. Would surely like to meet my fellow Listers. Alan Lyscars Portland, Maine


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    Time: 04:48:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Feedback from my local EAA chapter on 1/4" x 1/2"
    From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> I don't know if any of the group are involved with the Pietenpol project they're building out in Minnesota but the gentleman I spoke with last night said he made quite a few of the ribs. His name is Ken Terrio and he's going to start the ribs next week for the Pober Jr. Ace that he's building. I'll find out which one he's building at OshKosh since he's invited me over to participate. From what he says it's something they work on every year for about a month and then reconvene each year. It's reportedly near completion. The airworthiness inspector seemed to be encouraging me to go that way but I, like the last post, thought about a comprimise at 3/8" and also chickened out. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18221#18221


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    Time: 06:23:02 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled
    engine --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> Hi John, I've taken 3 Corvair motors apart and each one was a little different. Some stuff comes apart easy, and some can be a real chore. In William's book he describes which parts you dont need to bother cleaning, like the cylinder heads which will hopefully go to a machine shop for a valve job and get cleaned while there. He recommends taking the crankcase to a transmission shop to have it cleaned. I've been to William's shop a few times, since its only 30 minutes from my house. When they assemble engines at his Corvair Colleges all of the parts are so clean they look brand new. Things like camshafts and cylinders will be sent off as cores, so don't need to be cleaned up much. The original pistons aren't reused, just the connecting rods, and those need to be rebuilt. Label everything carefully and put the nuts and bolts in labeled baggies. In the total time frame I'm looking at my engine parts will end up being stored for several years before reassembly, but if you keep them dry and indoors, and a little oily/greasy until you need them they won't rust. I'll clean them all up before reassembly. For lots of Corvair info you should subscribe to the CorvAircraft list at corvaircraft.com. Oh, one word of caution. I took 3 motors apart to find 2 heads that were usable, and one of the three crankshafts is unusable. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl > > > >


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    Time: 06:27:22 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> Hi Alan, I hope to be at Sun-n-Fun Tuesday through Thursday. Last year they were building a Piet in the woodworking tent and I got to meet a few fellow listers there. I'll be wearing a Pietenpol T-shirt, and I got a name badge made there last year. If you've never been, you are in for a treat. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Alan Lyscars wrote: > By-The-Way, > > Will any of you all be attending SNF this April? My wife is tossing > me out of the house (hope not PERMANENTLY!!!) that week. I'll be > there Tues. thru Fri. Would surely like to meet my fellow Listers. > > Alan Lyscars > Portland, Maine


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    Time: 06:45:32 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
    Subject: Re: CC: From GN-1 List
    my dimensions will not be accurate for your application. I have modified my wing center section spar plates due to me lengthening and widening my fuselage. just strike a line from the center of the radius on the leading edge to the center of the trailing edge point and set that line to 1.8=B0 or so and that will be your AOI (angle of incidence) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Thank you DJ. What do you reccommend for cabane dimensions? Sincerely, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List don't do the GN-1 to the plans lest you will fly tail low. Set your wing so that you have a 1.8=B0 AOI. The plans put the wing at an angle quite a bit less than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Piet List Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CC: From GN-1 List Alan My GN 1 plans showes 21" for the front struts & 21 3/4" for the rear struts. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: 2/26/2006 7:48:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CC: >From GN-1 List Greetings Fellows, I'm going to copy my question from the GN-1 list to you; I hope that, in the spirit of scratch building, you all won't take offense at having a GN-1 question posted to this list. Thanks, to all as ever, for your help. Alan Gents: I've been following a thread on the Piet list concerning the length of cabane struts on the Pietenpol. In a sample response from builders, all front struts were taller than the rear-averaging 23" front and 22" rear. Our GN-1 plans call for 23 1/4" fronts, and 23 1/2" rears. Are you fellows using these plans dimensions (are they accurate?) or have you altered the lengths of the cabanes? Alan Lyscars Portland, Maine


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    Time: 07:17:04 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Sun-N-Fun
    I'm planning on going again this year, but not sure of exact dates yet. I am committed to going to a wedding in Calif on April 1, so I won't be able to bring my project back there this year. If anyone wants to make some fast progress on your project, you could bring it and home with completed tail feathers or fuselage or whatever. Dick N.


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    Time: 07:57:33 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/25/06
    Craig, For all members of the Pietenpol Sweinblutten Attack and Bomber Squadron, PSbABS, they have the privelege and duty to wear our attack emblem on either side of the fuse between the aft pit and the hor stab. The Kernal


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    Time: 08:46:26 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: TACOs head south of the border?
    Oscar, With all this P and vinegar your exhibiting I'd better get off my Mike Cuy and finish 311CC as it appears you will need a wing man to keep you out of trouble on the ground as well as thru those little Mexi hills. About that plastic tubing for brake linings, on 311 I'm using the same tubing with those plastic barb fittings and they work great. No clamps needed. I've tested them with all the pressure I can generate and everything remains dry with tight brakes. I'm using the same master cyls as on 41. My test pilot is a regular at Reklaw, Walker spelled backwards, and says it's great. Fly in, fly over here, you are always welcome. I'd like to add something which I will Do not archive, I've lived in La most of my 83 years, North La, South La and in New Orleans in 48 and 49 until I was recalled into the Korean War. It had been a good life and I enjoyed it to the outer limits. Isabelle and I attended a funeral today in New Orleans, Metairie, for the other grandpa of the marriage of one of my daughters. I thought I had seen the worst on TV of Katrina. Where we were today was in the middle and upper class white section and it was hard for us to even look at what is left of a once beautiful city. Forget the slums, lower 9th ward. These are for TV shock treatments. They have completely ignored showing the devastation of these beautiful homes, blvds, parks etc. Isabelle and I both having lived there were so stunned with what we saw that we avoided speaking of it during the 330 mile drive home. What I'm trying to say is, you can't believe it unless you see it or just don't give a damn. Corky in what's left of beautiful Louisiana DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:08:32 PM PST US
    From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun
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    Time: 10:56:28 PM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: TACOs head south of the border?
    Oscar (and Tacos), Just lets plan it with enough time and I will arrange to meet you (with several local pilots) in Nuevo Laredo and fly with you all the way here, we can visit a Club in Monterrey, another one in Sn Luis Potosi, etc. We have our Yearly Flyin here in Chapala (Club's birthday) in a week end near the 2 of November (will check the exact date) then we probably can go for a few days to fly the Pacific Coast... Probably several local pilots wil join (5 to 20?). No problem with planning, we can help. Just get advise from the Baja Bush Pilots for paperwork, insurance and what ever is needed to cross the border, they will gladly help. Depend on how many days you have for vacations, what places we can visit... Yes, lots of fun, We plan (dream?) each of our flight for months... Still dreaming our group flight to S&F... Definitly not this year for me... Still working on the XB number of my Zenith 701... This Year my brother Larry and myself have the Events and Flyins Commission of our Club. Saludos Gary Gower. Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" I was looking at the map of Mexico again (dreaming). To my eye, it should be entirely possible to fly a Pietenpol from a customs crossing at Laredo, TX to Guadalajara, Mexico in one day. Mind you, I'm talking about long summer days with good VFR weather. Now more realistically, what with the usual issues of getting started in the morning and clearing customs, it makes more sense to do it in two days and that's the more likely way to do it. In my case, I would stay overnight in Zapata or Laredo for a thorough briefing from my instructor Charlie Avaritt, since he's flown extensively in Mexico and flies there regularly. He also is familiar with the Piet and knows how best a TACO should fold its way through those mountains on the way. It sure looks like it would be an interesting journey in a Piet or a gaggle of Piets. Anyway, I did get in a nice day of working on the airplane on Saturday. Everything forward of the firewall is completely ready to roll and has been for the past few weeks... still just waiting for one spark plug wire and I will try to light the fire. Meanwhile, I fitted the fuel tank support straps back into the (new) support framing and tried out the fuel tank. It needs some tweaking because now the forward top cowling won't quite line up correctly on the firewall bulkhead top without the tank neck rubbing. It sure looks nice to get the top cowling back in place after more than a year, and to sit in the front cockpit with its windscreen in place. I'll tell you what... it is a VERY short distance from the passenger's face up to where the propeller is! This is not a large, nor a long, airplane! Working the rudders from the front cockpit, my shoes nudge the bottom of the fuel tank occasionally when doing a rudder dance. Other flights I'm planning/dreaming of (besides Brodhead, of course)- the SWRFI fly-in in coming up in May at Hondo, TX. And folks tell me that there is an excellent, grass-roots fly-in at Reklaw, TX at the end of the summer. I may just try that one if the airplane is flying OK by then... and Reklaw is only about 100 SM from Shreveport so it would be an easy hop to the land of crawfish jambalaya and Corky's shop. Then there's Sterling's always-windy "Knot-2-Shabby" field and we can sneak a few cold Negro Modelos while we shoot .44s and .45s and make lots of noise. (Hey, Sterling- I handload for a .45LC Taurus revolver that I have, shooting "flying ashcan" hollowpoints. Get some overripe watermelons!) I also have a Contender with a short .30-30 barrel and I'll bet I can pulverize an empty beer can at, oh, at least 30 paces ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --------------------------------- Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.




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