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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled engine (Kip and Beth Gardner)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled engine (Gene Beenenga)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Sealion330@cs.com)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled engine (Hans Vander Voort)
5. 08:05 AM - paging Dean Elliot (Steve Eldredge)
6. 09:21 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Jim Ash)
7. 10:11 AM - Alliance, OH fly-in (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 04:50 PM - Re: Alliance, OH fly-in (Kip and Beth Gardner)
9. 05:00 PM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled engine (Kip and Beth Gardner)
10. 06:19 PM - wood preserver (Norman Neff)
11. 06:58 PM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled e... (HVandervoo@aol.com)
12. 09:37 PM - Re: Alliance, OH fly-in (Gary Gower)
13. 10:23 PM - I've been robbed (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 10:30 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Cory Emberson)
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| Subject: | Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled |
engine
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
John,
If you want to give me a call some time, I can go over this with you.
We have 4 of us here locally that are in various stages of
disassembly and reassembly. I can give you some specific
recommendations on cleaning up stuff & long-term storage. Also, one
of our EAA chapter members owns a performance machine shop & can do
things like rebore cylinders, recondition rods, rebuild
heads, balance, etc. He does top-notch work for a very resonable
price.
You need to be careful of is to not strip out threads while trying to
remove rusty stuff.
There are also a couple of things that go easier if you do them in a
particular sequence.
Anyway, if you want to talk about it, give me a call at 330-494-1775
(home, evenings).
You might also want to consider coming up for our Corvair Fly-In June
2-4. William will be here & we hope to have a good assortment of
flying Corvair-powered planes and cars.
There is preliminary info on William's web site & our chapter will be
putting out detailed info in a few weeks.
Regards,
Kip Gardner
--
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled |
engine
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
Kip,
Just thought you might like to know, I am planning on coming June 2,3. will probably
throw my engine in, just in case there is time for comments on my rear
mounted starter. Please give me whatever particulars I need to know on finding
your hanger. Gene Beenenga
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Feb 28, 2006 7:44 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled
engine
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
>John,
>
>If you want to give me a call some time, I can go over this with you.
>We have 4 of us here locally that are in various stages of
>disassembly and reassembly. I can give you some specific
>recommendations on cleaning up stuff & long-term storage. Also, one
>of our EAA chapter members owns a performance machine shop & can do
>things like rebore cylinders, recondition rods, rebuild
>heads, balance, etc. He does top-notch work for a very resonable
>price.
>
>You need to be careful of is to not strip out threads while trying to
>remove rusty stuff.
>There are also a couple of things that go easier if you do them in a
>particular sequence.
>
>Anyway, if you want to talk about it, give me a call at 330-494-1775
>(home, evenings).
>
>You might also want to consider coming up for our Corvair Fly-In June
>2-4. William will be here & we hope to have a good assortment of
>flying Corvair-powered planes and cars.
>
>There is preliminary info on William's web site & our chapter will be
>putting out detailed info in a few weeks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Kip Gardner
>--
>
>North Canton, OH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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hi fellow pieters, I was at sun n fun last april and building my fuselage in
the woodworking tent. I don't plan on working there this year because I need
to attend welding, sheet metal, and fabric classes. I have finished the
fuselage,tail feathers, one wing, most of the motor mount, and center section.
The
36in center section will be a wet one with a drain at the front and rear.
Holding off on the landing gear as I am not a welder and not sure how to go about
it. My corvair engine is torn down and most of the new parts have been
delivered. Looking forward to seeing some of you pieters next month.
Gardiner Mason. PS I will be camping out under my cessna 140. N3533V at the
vintage AC site, so please stop by.
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| Subject: | Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled |
engine
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
John,
Flying to Brodhead is definitely on my to-do list, just don't know if it is
going to be 2006.
More likely I will be there at 2007.
I am still chipping away at my 40 hour test phase, flew only 3 times this
month due to weather.
Last Saturday was finally again a nice day, flew for an hour, as did two
piper J3's we did some loose formation flying, great fun.
I do have my mind set to get my 40 hours out of the way before May.
I Intend to make it to Hondo this year, That will be my first real cross
country.
I took us last year (a group consisting of a Kitfox and a Taylorcraft L2) 6
hours, due to heads winds and frequent fuel stops.
Return trip was done in 4 hours.
This year the group will be bigger, Two Piper J3's, a Aeronca L3, a Kitfox
and my Pietenpol.
The same group will go to Reklaw as well.
In 2007 I could make it to Brodhead / Oshkosh, it will take a few days to
get there but is something that is in the plans.
On cleaning and storing your disassembled engine, you can clean it in a
variety of different ways.
If you use soaps try to avoid soaps with a high phosphate content (aluminum
does not like it)
High phosphate soups cut grease real good but "eats" also aluminum. (most
store bought degreasers are high phosphate)
If you do use it, do not let it sit overnight and always rinse with clean
water afterwards.
Best is to find a engine shop nearby and let them "hot tank" it.
For storage I recommend to lubricate everything in motor oil and wrap it in
old rags.
Store it in a dry place.
Keep on building
Hans
john e fay
<jefay@juno.com>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: john e fay <jefay@juno.com>
Hans,
I was looking at your website the other night. Is there any chance
you'll be able to bring your new Piet to Brodhead this summer. I would
love to see it up close, especially with the William Wynne corvair
engine.
I need some advice from you and any others that have experience along
this line. I have a corvair engine. I have just received William
Wynne's new video about how to disassemble it. I have a little class of
5 high school boys who are going to work with me the next two weeks to
take it apart to prepare it for an eventual rebuild. But I do not expect
to rebuild it for a year or two.
How do you recommend we clean the various parts, and what is the best way
to store the parts for a year or more?
Any good advice would be appreciated. I am a total novice on motors. I
have never taken apart an engine before, or even opened one up.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | paging Dean Elliot |
Dean,
I've got a question for you on your hat order, but I don't have your
email...
Sorry for the intrusion on the list.
Steve E
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| Subject: | Alliance, OH fly-in |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
For those who may be thinking about taking their Corvair engines to the
fly-in in June, note the following from William Wynne's website:
"It was erroneously reported that this will be a College style workshop.
Although Grace and I are planning on flying up weather permitting, I just
want to attend and enjoy the day amongst friends. There will be plenty of
time for exchanging ideas and checking out parts, but I'm really looking
forward to an aviation event where I'm not turning wrenches for 12 hours.
We'll have more on the event as we get closer."
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Alliance, OH fly-in |
Cc: pietenpol-list@matronics.com, "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Oscar,
Yes, thank you for pointing this out to the list. We ARE NOT going
to be doing any major engine work at this event, more on the order of
a couple short forums by William & then concentrating on seeing what
shows up in the way of planes & cars for folks to look over, etc.
I'm asking William to have at least one forum be an on-the-ramp event
where he looks over & comments on the work of any planes that the
owners are willing to let him do that.
Those of us locally who are working on engines will have them &/or
parts on display foir people to look over & any hands-on forum that
William does will probably use those engines as 'props'.
William HAS said he will be happy to look over parts, etc. but this
is as much a pleasure trip for Grace & him as an 'appearance'.
At 12:06 PM -0600 2/28/06, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>For those who may be thinking about taking their Corvair engines to
>the fly-in in June, note the following from William Wynne's website:
>
>"It was erroneously reported that this will be a College style
>workshop. Although Grace and I are planning on flying up weather
>permitting, I just want to attend and enjoy the day amongst friends.
>There will be plenty of time for exchanging ideas and checking out
>parts, but I'm really looking forward to an aviation event where I'm
>not turning wrenches for 12 hours. We'll have more on the event as
>we get closer."
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
--
North Canton, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled |
engine
Cc: pietenpol-list@matronics.com, Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Hans & everyone else,
My first recommendation for cleaning up parts is a 50-50 mix of
kerosene and MEK. Using a hard bristle brush (NOT a wire brush on
aluminum), this cuts through built-up grease & varnish like you would
not believe & leaves parts absolutely clean.
I've also used a steam gun with detergent on some parts, but be sure
you wash them completely free of detergent residues when you are
done. This gets things realy clean also, but not as pretty.
Personally, I don't like the way parts look when they are hot tanked
- the examples I've seen, at least on the aluminum parts, look
'etched' & I can't say what effect this has on the chemistry of the
metal, etc.
I store things the same way Hans does, a light oiling and wrap in
rags. The one exception, which I took William Wynne's advice on, was
to liberally spray the ground crank with WD-40 & then wrap it in
plastic.
I re-spray it about once every 6 months. Will be sending it off for
nitriding soon, so I'll clean it up as William recommends also.
Kip Gardner
>On cleaning and storing your disassembled engine, you can clean it in a
>variety of different ways.
>If you use soaps try to avoid soaps with a high phosphate content (aluminum
>does not like it)
>High phosphate soups cut grease real good but "eats" also aluminum. (most
>store bought degreasers are high phosphate)
>If you do use it, do not let it sit overnight and always rinse with clean
>water afterwards.
>Best is to find a engine shop nearby and let them "hot tank" it.
>
>For storage I recommend to lubricate everything in motor oil and wrap it in
>old rags.
>Store it in a dry place.
>
>Keep on building
--
North Canton, OH
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I'm planning on spraying my woodwork with clear dope as Mr Pietenpol suggested ., or clear acrylic lacquer with glycerin added [my idea] anyway as I was considering a wood preserver I found the following which is going on everthing I have thats made of wood house; garage , shed ,plane for what it's worth---- norman www.boatbuilding.com/article.php/ChemotherapyforRot/print
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| Subject: | Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled |
e...
Kip,
Good info, MEK is nasty stuff though, better use some protection!
WD 40 stands for Water Dispersant 40 days, it removes water and protects for
40 days.
Basically an Alcohol and mineral oil mixture, the alcohol aids the water to
evaporate and leaves behind a thin oil residue for protection
I would still use motor oil, after you thoroughly dry all parts, it last
longer as it leaves a thicker film.
Another tip, go to a Marine store and buy some fogging oil, comes in a spray
can and is purposely made for preservation purposes.
You spray it in to the carburetor of a running engine until it quits, then
you can store the engine for 6 months.
Keep on building.
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: Alliance, OH fly-in |
Hi Oscar,
I think is a fair thing... He deserves it once in a while.
Is like having a close friend that is a professional singer, invited to your
house and making sing for your friends, he wants just to have a good time.
The price of beeing famous, he needs dark glasses in the flyin :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
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Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
For those who may be thinking about taking their Corvair engines to the
fly-in in June, note the following from William Wynne's website:
"It was erroneously reported that this will be a College style workshop.
Although Grace and I are planning on flying up weather permitting, I just
want to attend and enjoy the day amongst friends. There will be plenty of
time for exchanging ideas and checking out parts, but I'm really looking
forward to an aviation event where I'm not turning wrenches for 12 hours.
We'll have more on the event as we get closer."
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | I've been robbed |
This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent.
This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !!
That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt
cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2"
Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed
behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep
going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can
find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you
can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came
over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm
going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything.
Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the
house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes
indeed, there are thieves out there !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | I've been robbed |
So sorry to hear that! Been there myself.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed
This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent.
This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !!
That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with
bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old
1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed
and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get
it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look
around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really
pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a
thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will
be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops
myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those
motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to
do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out
there !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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