---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/01/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: I've been robbed (Greg Bacon) 2. 05:20 AM - Re: I've been robbed (John Ford) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: wood preserver (Jim Markle) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled e... (Kip and Beth Gardner) 5. 06:01 AM - Re: I've been robbed (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 6. 06:47 AM - Re: I've been robbed (harvey rule) 7. 06:53 AM - Re: I've been robbed (barnstmr@aol.com) 8. 07:15 AM - Re: I've been robbed (Jim Ash) 9. 07:18 AM - Ref. "I've been robbed". (Robison) 10. 07:38 AM - Re: I've been robbed (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 11. 07:51 AM - Re: straight axle landing gear parts (James) 12. 08:19 AM - Re: I've been robbed (bike.mike) 13. 08:29 AM - Re: I've been robbed (bike.mike) 14. 08:34 AM - Re: I've been robbed (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 15. 08:34 AM - GN-1 Plan Deliveries (Jim Vydra) 16. 08:42 AM - Re: wood preserver (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 17. 12:56 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Isablcorky@aol.com) 18. 01:41 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Ronnie Wagner) 19. 02:15 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Robert Gow) 20. 02:44 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Ed G.) 21. 02:45 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Ed G.) 22. 03:41 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 23. 07:28 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Tom Stinemetze) 24. 10:29 PM - Re: I've been robbed (Mike Whaley) 25. 11:31 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle) 26. 11:38 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:07 AM PST US From: Greg Bacon Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed Chuck, Sorry to hear you were robbed. My neighbor has been robbed twice now. We live out in the sticks. Houses are few and far inbetween out here. I'm working on a tamperproof box that I'll install a game tracker digital camera. I'll put a 1GB memory card in it, so it can be left for about a month of picture taking. Everytime a car enters our diveway, it will be photographed. The game cameras can be had for about $150. The box is 3/32 in steel plate. I haven't found it yet, but I'm looking for some 1/2 in or 3/4 in bullet proof plexiglass for the window. Need a piece 6 in by 6 in. This should really deter punks from stopping in for an unwelcome visit. We've also posted neighborhood watch signs that indicate video camera monitoring - this is just a bluff, but it may also deter the smash and grabbers. Do not archive. Greg Bacon Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: Cory Emberson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed So sorry to hear that! Been there myself. do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:23 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent. This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:51 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Chuck, It's probably a good thing you weren't home. They were likely hopped-up on meth, which makes them hard to compete with, baseball bat or not. My sister was robbed a couple of years ago by high school meth heads. Luckily they ran out the back door when she came in the front, and they forgot to take THEIR baseball bat. They got her family heirloom jewelry, which they promptly ditched/lost in the woods before being captured (cold and wet) by a group of neighbors (the idiots left their truck parked across the road and were thus stranded in the woods). I think if they'd been caught sooner they would have really put up a fight, and if my sister had come home 30 seconds earlier they would have worked her over with that bat. It turns out that they've been robbing houses and garages in the neighborhood for a couple of years. Glad you're okay and only lost *stuff*, even if some of it was your Dad's. By the way, I think it's really cool that you put the picture Colin took of you at Brodhead '04 on your site. You are his hero. John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 "The real musicians are in jazz clubs and they're starving to death." -- Gene Simmons This email, and any attachments, thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. >>> Rcaprd@aol.com Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:22:48 AM >>> This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent. This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:16 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood preserver FASCINATING article!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Neff To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood preserver I'm planning on spraying my woodwork with clear dope as Mr Pietenpol suggested ., or clear acrylic lacquer with glycerin added [my idea] anyway as I was considering a wood preserver I found the following which is going on everthing I have thats made of wood house; garage , shed ,plane for what it's worth---- norman www.boatbuilding.com/article.php/ChemotherapyforRot/print Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:54 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need information on cleaning and storing disassembled e... Cc: pietenpol-list@matronics.com, HVandervoo@aol.com At 9:57 PM -0500 2/28/06, HVandervoo@aol.com wrote: >Kip, > >Good info, MEK is nasty stuff though, better use some protection! > >WD 40 stands for Water Dispersant 40 days, it removes water and >protects for 40 days. >Basically an Alcohol and mineral oil mixture, the alcohol aids the >water to evaporate and leaves behind a thin oil residue for >protection > >I would still use motor oil, after you thoroughly dry all parts, it >last longer as it leaves a thicker film. > >Another tip, go to a Marine store and buy some fogging oil, comes in >a spray can and is purposely made for preservation purposes. >You spray it in to the carburetor of a running engine until it >quits, then you can store the engine for 6 months. > >Keep on building. > >Hans Hans, Good point on the MEK, I should have mentioned it. I ONLY use the kerosene-MEK mixture outside & wear protective gloves. MEK can melt a lot of different plastics, so test your gloves beforehand. Rubber "playtex" gloves work OK, but MEK will leach through them over a period of time, so have a couple of pairs handy & change them after 15-20 minutes of work. I cleaned up both halves of my case in about 40 minutes using 1 gal. each of the kero & MEK in a large Rubbermaid tote. I'll check on the foggingt oil, this sounds like a really good product. One other thought - if you are not in a hurry to have your engine done (I've still got a number of years to go on the plane), I'd suggest putting off final assembly until you are ready to do the firewall forward work. This way, all of your gaskets & seals will be new. I've rebuilt 3 different engines over the past 25 years, an Austin-Heally 2000, a Pinto (wish I still had that engine, I bet it would make a good substitute for a Model A) & now the Corvair. With all the resources available to work on the Corvair, it's been the easiest of the 3, so all you guys with no experience, don't be afraid & take your time - it's actually pretty fun. Kip Gardner -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:11 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed Chuck: That is awful. It has happened to me as well. It makes you just ripp. That mig welder has an argon tank. It has a serial number. Whether you owned the tank or only rented it. Who ever uses it will have to refill it or exchange it eventually. They will be caught. Just make sure that all local suppliers are aware of the theft. The retailer that you were purchasing your gas from should have the number if you don't. Cameras and a big mean nasty dog may help but is only closing the barn door after the cows got away. Some of the old timers where I learned to fly had some problems w/ kids messing w/ their planes at night. It was a rural field. They use to use a charged up coil rigged so that if you touched the strut you'd get a wallop. A motion detector w/ a siren hooked up may work to scare them. Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:09 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule I'm sorry but anything that harms a criminal in any way may land you up in jail and not the criminal the way things work today.Not right but that's the way them lawyer guys got it tied up. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:23 AM PST US From: barnstmr@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: barnstmr@aol.com Chuck, I hope you catch those idiots... not likely to happen though. That really sucks. Were you insured? It has happened to me years ago. You work hard to get what you can get... then stupid lazy-a** idiots come along and rip you off. I'd be tempted to use more than a baseball bat if I were to catch them in the act. How about a shotgun??!!! Hang in there. And thanks for all you do for us with your videos and webpage. Hope you get to fly this week so you can relieve some frustration while slippin the surly bonds. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 01:22:48 EST Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent. This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:32 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:21 AM PST US From: "Robison" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ref. "I've been robbed". --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robison" Chuck, I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. I know you must feel violated. As a police officer for 9 years I can tell you that frequently the burglar, though not a friend, knows the victim. You can help the police by making a list of people that know that you have those tools or people that have knowledge of your shop. Have you had any work done on your house lately or know anyone that is having financial difficulty? This is where I would look. I don't know how much your property was worth but, if you have a " Crime Stoppers" program or place a cash reward in the paper sometimes this generates leads. Whenever I purchase something I copy the make, model, and serial number onto the receipt and place it in my safe. I then go through the house and garage every year and video tape things for the insurance company. That's kept at my in-laws house. Finally, Wal-Mart sells a simple surveillance camera that hooks into a VCR for $37 (maybe more where you are). The video is pretty clear for the price. Place the camera inside your home. Point it out the window in the direction of your shop, cars, or front door, etc... Purchase a 12 hour tape and hit record every night before you go to bed and let it run. This works great because policeman are usually on a first name basis with most of the local, pardon my slang, "scum-bag" burglars. So, if you can get them on video you just may get your stuff back if they were to strike again. Scott Robison EAA # 728071 Charleston, IL ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:38 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Harvey: the charged up coil was not enought to do any serious damage, just a big enough jolt to make em think twice. michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey rule" > I'm sorry but anything that harms a criminal in any way may land you up > in jail and not the criminal the way things work today.Not right but > that's the way them lawyer guys got it tied up. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:12 AM PST US From: "James" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: straight axle landing gear parts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James" I'm bidding now. Thanks Jim T -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL SILVIUS Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle landing gear parts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" --> may be of interest to some here http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-strait-axle-landing-gear-fittings-4 130_W0QQitemZ4616260474QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem michael silvius ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:15 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed Welcome to the club, Chuck. It's not very exclusive. When it happened to me, they stole a couple of shotguns and some money. However, the thieves also set fire to the house. The fire took a lot more stuff than was stolen. My wife, two-month-old son and I came home late to a crowd of fire trucks and onlookers. I don't recommend this for a happy evening at home. The place was gutted but the arson investigator was able to find enough clues to sort out what happened. He said what others on this list have said: These kinds of burglaries are usually done by kids on meth and we were really lucky that we didn't catch the bastards in the act. Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:26 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule > > I'm sorry but anything that harms a criminal in any way may land you up > in jail and not the criminal the way things work today.Not right but > that's the way them lawyer guys got it tied up. > Harvey, THIS lawyer (former public defender) is a 2nd amendment flag waver. Where I live and work, defense of self and (sometimes) property isn't just a right, it's a duty. I'm sorry you don't have the same rights. Mike Hardaway ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:29 AM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Chuck, Keep an eye out on e-bay for your stuff, look for addresses of sellers near you that are offering workshop stuff, keep an eye on them. Also canvas the pawnshops. Gordon Original Message: ----------------- From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent. This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:33 AM PST US From: Jim Vydra Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plan Deliveries Bob Grega asked me to post the following. Due to illness shipment will be delayed for about 3 weeks. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:00 AM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood preserver --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Old science using dope as a wood sealer, the plasticizer will eventually come out. Recommend a two part epoxy with min. 1 hr cure time cut with MEK to thin so you can spray. Epoxy will evaporate the MEK and then cure without any leftover unreacted additives that will migrate out of the wood. Clean up your equipment with acetone. If using for exterior wood parts, go to industrial autopaint supply house and get a epoxy/acrylic system. Acrylics have better UV resist. Epoxy has better water/chemical (ie. AVgas) resist with better adhesion/penetration. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Norman Neff coevst@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood preserver I'm planning on spraying my woodwork with clear dope as Mr Pietenpol suggested ., or clear acrylic lacquer with glycerin added [my idea] anyway as I was considering a wood preserver I found the following which is going on everthing I have thats made of wood house; garage , shed ,plane for what it's worth---- norman www.boatbuilding.com/article.php/ChemotherapyforRot/print --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:54 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed Chuck, Took a load of kids to Florida for a graduation trip. The morning to return home got a call from my next door neighbor that I'd been robbed. They broke in the den door with a crow bar. I worried like hell all the way home. When I investigated to find what was missing I was at a loss. I didn't have a thing they wanted. Cameras, TVs, HiFis, old and I mean old shoes. Sure was embarrising. That Louisiana Boy ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:36 PM PST US From: "Ronnie Wagner" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" On the news yesterday morning here in Arkansas, a guy had been robbed and he rigged a 20 gauge with rock salt to the broken window the crook had previously came thru, got the SOB in the left armpit and landed the crook in the hospital and the victim in jail. I guess the lesson here would be to use buckshot next time! Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey rule" Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule > > I'm sorry but anything that harms a criminal in any way may land you up > in jail and not the criminal the way things work today.Not right but > that's the way them lawyer guys got it tied up. > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:10 PM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" Not that many years ago, (well OK it was in the 60s) it wasn't unheard of for shop owners in Europe to rig "self-shooters" to protect their shops from break-in. It was simply accepted as a normal security system. Don't understand why anyone breaking into your place should be entitled to do so in complete safety. Next we will be required to leave keys to our lock-ups in fear that the robber might hurt himself using a crow-bar. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronnie Wagner Sent: March 1, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wagner" On the news yesterday morning here in Arkansas, a guy had been robbed and he rigged a 20 gauge with rock salt to the broken window the crook had previously came thru, got the SOB in the left armpit and landed the crook in the hospital and the victim in jail. I guess the lesson here would be to use buckshot next time! Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey rule" Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule > > I'm sorry but anything that harms a criminal in any way may land you up > in jail and not the criminal the way things work today.Not right but > that's the way them lawyer guys got it tied up. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:08 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." I'll be there on Thursday. I'll stop by the Woodworking tent several times during the day. Hope to see some piet people there. Ed Grentzer West Coast Fkorida >From: "Alan Lyscars" >To: "Piet List" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:42:23 -0500 > >By-The-Way, > >Will any of you all be attending SNF this April? My wife is tossing me out >of the house (hope not PERMANENTLY!!!) that week. I'll be there Tues. thru >Fri. Would surely like to meet my fellow Listers. > >Alan Lyscars >Portland, Maine ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:23 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." I'll be there on Thursday. I'll stop by the Woodworking tent several times during the day. Hope to see some piet people there. Ed Grentzer West Coast Fkorida >From: "Alan Lyscars" >To: "Piet List" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:42:23 -0500 > >By-The-Way, > >Will any of you all be attending SNF this April? My wife is tossing me out >of the house (hope not PERMANENTLY!!!) that week. I'll be there Tues. thru >Fri. Would surely like to meet my fellow Listers. > >Alan Lyscars >Portland, Maine ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:28 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed Hi Chuck: Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Don't waste your time at the pawn shops for at least 30 days. Thats how long they have to hold onto the stuff before the owner has abandoned it, maybe more. They know good and well it is hot, but without serial numbers and identification numbers, they can claim they didn't have guilty knowledge and get by with it. Try flea markets first. Lots of people take stuff there. There used to be a pawn shop up in north topeka that specialized in tools if you are over that way sometime. A man crawled thru an unlocked window into our house about 6 yrs ago and stole Karens wallet. Took the cash and her cell phone. He came back a week later and tried again and she was up and caught him. He just calmly walked away. Cops caught him, but when they went to court and she showed up to identify him, his lawyer got a continuance. The next court appearance, they gave her 24 hrs notice that she needed to show up or the case would be dismissed. She showed up. His lawyer asked for and got another continuance. They pulled the same thing, 24 hrs notice, again she showed up. So the prosecutor asked for a continuance this time. She got up and told the lawyers and the judge that she could get off any time she wanted to and she would keep coming back! They didn't know what to do.He finally pleaded guilty to something else and the dropped the charge against him. They tried to steal her van a couple months ago, and bumped the horn, waking the dog who woke David. He ran outside toward them yelling bloody murder! Get away from my van you f-----g n---r! The theif ran off and jumped into his buddys car and they left. When the police finally showed up 45 minutes later, they looked at the damage and said "Your insurance company can call us in three days for the report" I asked them if they were going to take finger prints or anything and they said no, they don't do that. They just fill out police reports. If we don't want our cars stolen then move out of the city like everyone else does! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent. This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:45 PM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed >Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !!< Chuck, you have my sympathy and I can sure understand why you would like to catch the guy while you have a long hard sheleigh (sp?) in your hand. I had a similar experience a while back when my motorcycle battery was stolen right out of my bike while it was sitting in the front yard. Of course the reason it was sitting out there is that the battery had died and was awaiting replacement with a good one. Sometimes crime doesn't pay. Tom Stinemetze 2nd flying lesson tomorrow. ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:57 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed Man, that sucks. Some cretin(s) stole a custom IO-540 motor mount right off the front of our Skybolt which was on display at Oshkosh last year. Even in the midst of the best group of folks in the world, at least one creep managed to sneak in and really dampen our mood. I figure that maybe he'll fly right into a high-tension line or something. Or better yet, maybe he'll blow himself up while using the welder he stole from your garage... -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: I've been robbed This is off topic, I know, but I just need to vent. This evening when I got home from work, I find out I've been Robbed !! That's never happened to me before. They cut the lock off my garage with bolt cutters, and stole my brand new mig welder / argon tank, my Dad's old 1/2" Sioux drill, some other electric tools, Air conditioner unit removed and stashed behind the garage - probably with intent on coming back to get it. I keep going outside with a flashlight & ball bat, to have a look around. I hope I can find the s.o.b. before the police do. This really pisses me off more than you can imagine !! There's nothing worse than a thief or a liar !! Police came over and gave me some suggestions, and will be watching the pawn shops. I'm going to go around to the pawn shops myself, and see if I can find anything. Also going to put up one of those motion detector lights on the back of the house. I don't know what else to do. Just thought I'd let ya all know that yes indeed, there are thieves out there !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:59 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Pietenpol-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Pietenpol-List running smoothly for all of us. **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. 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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ***************************************************************** *** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List *** ***************************************************************** Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be forwarded to the List. Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible. Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List, the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small. If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly* to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible. The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus protection program these days. Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and a few other similar types. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. 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The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Pietenpol-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:20 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.]