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1. 05:51 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (Hans Vander Voort)
2. 07:44 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (Galen Hutcheson)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (harvey rule)
4. 09:10 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (Galen Hutcheson)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on paved runways |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Glenn,
Did your DAR fly a Pietenpol without brakes and a tailskid ?
The classic 1930's Pietenpol had no brakes and only a tailskid, some of us
still build them that way, but they are hard to handle on paved runways.
The skid works (almost) as a brake but only on grass runway.
If you fly from paved runways brakes and a tailwheel are a must have.
Personally I chose to go with spit landing gear (and brakes and tailwheel)
as I liked the looks of it.
But straight or split landing gear should make no difference on paved or
grass.
For safety sake you should have brakes and a tailwheel.
It is nice to be authentic 1930's but we are now in the 21st Century and we
should allow ourselves to take advantage of lessons learned.
Keep on Building
Hans
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas"
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At the last EAA meeting I talked with our DAR (who tried to talk me out of
building a Piet) and he said he landed the one that he test flew last year
on a paved runway. He said there aren't any grass strips in Connecticut.
I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet. Would the J3 cub style landing
gear (like Chuck has on his plane) be a must for this type of scenario?
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on paved runways |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
I'm building mine with and interchangeable tailskid
and steerable tailwheel. It will be a quick change
and I can use the skid on grass runways and the wheel
when traveling when paved runways may be encountered.
Extra work to do but will be worth it to me as I plan
to do a lot of traveling.
Doc (H)
--- Hans Vander Voort
<hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander
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> Glenn,
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> Did your DAR fly a Pietenpol without brakes and a
> tailskid ?
> The classic 1930's Pietenpol had no brakes and only
> a tailskid, some of us
> still build them that way, but they are hard to
> handle on paved runways.
> The skid works (almost) as a brake but only on grass
> runway.
> If you fly from paved runways brakes and a tailwheel
> are a must have.
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> Personally I chose to go with spit landing gear (and
> brakes and tailwheel)
> as I liked the looks of it.
> But straight or split landing gear should make no
> difference on paved or
> grass.
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> For safety sake you should have brakes and a
> tailwheel.
> It is nice to be authentic 1930's but we are now in
> the 21st Century and we
> should allow ourselves to take advantage of lessons
> learned.
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> Keep on Building
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on paved runways |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
You would be better to stick with the tail wheel and jetison the
tailskid.What happens when you take off from grass and you encounter a
paved run way.Who is going to climb out and change that skid to a wheel
while in mid fight.Besides,I've seen guys trying to take off with
skids,they go all over the place,no control.You would be better to
install a wheel lock.
Galen Hutcheson wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
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> I'm building mine with and interchangeable tailskid
> and steerable tailwheel. It will be a quick change
> and I can use the skid on grass runways and the wheel
> when traveling when paved runways may be encountered.
> Extra work to do but will be worth it to me as I plan
> to do a lot of traveling.
>
> Doc (H)
>
> --- Hans Vander Voort
> <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> wrote:
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander
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> > Glenn,
> >
> > Did your DAR fly a Pietenpol without brakes and a
> > tailskid ?
> > The classic 1930's Pietenpol had no brakes and only
> > a tailskid, some of us
> > still build them that way, but they are hard to
> > handle on paved runways.
> > The skid works (almost) as a brake but only on grass
> > runway.
> > If you fly from paved runways brakes and a tailwheel
> > are a must have.
> >
> > Personally I chose to go with spit landing gear (and
> > brakes and tailwheel)
> > as I liked the looks of it.
> > But straight or split landing gear should make no
> > difference on paved or
> > grass.
> >
> > For safety sake you should have brakes and a
> > tailwheel.
> > It is nice to be authentic 1930's but we are now in
> > the 21st Century and we
> > should allow ourselves to take advantage of lessons
> > learned.
> >
> > Keep on Building
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on paved runways |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
Harvey, been there-done that. I have had a couple of
planes (both antique bipes that origionally came out
with tail skids and later converted to wheels) and I
really liked the set up. Like I said, if I am heading
off cross country, then I put the tailwheel on. I
only flew the skid at the grass location. But I have
landed a skid on pavement (but I had differential
brakes) and it wasn't all that bad. With a skid, you
use the rudder as the steering device. If you need to
change direction of travel while the skid in on the
ground, you give a blast from the prop to make the
rudder more effective. It takes a lot more skill than
a tailwheel, but as I said earlier, practice,
practice, practice...
Don't care much for tailwheel locks...but that's
another story.
Doc (H)
--- harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule
> <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
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> You would be better to stick with the tail wheel and
> jetison the
> tailskid.What happens when you take off from grass
> and you encounter a
> paved run way.Who is going to climb out and change
> that skid to a wheel
> while in mid fight.Besides,I've seen guys trying to
> take off with
> skids,they go all over the place,no control.You
> would be better to
> install a wheel lock.
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