Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/06/06


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 05:51 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (Hans Vander Voort)
     2. 07:44 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (Galen Hutcheson)
     3. 07:59 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (harvey rule)
     4. 09:10 AM - Re: Landing on paved runways (Galen Hutcheson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:51:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing on paved runways
    From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> Glenn, Did your DAR fly a Pietenpol without brakes and a tailskid ? The classic 1930's Pietenpol had no brakes and only a tailskid, some of us still build them that way, but they are hard to handle on paved runways. The skid works (almost) as a brake but only on grass runway. If you fly from paved runways brakes and a tailwheel are a must have. Personally I chose to go with spit landing gear (and brakes and tailwheel) as I liked the looks of it. But straight or split landing gear should make no difference on paved or grass. For safety sake you should have brakes and a tailwheel. It is nice to be authentic 1930's but we are now in the 21st Century and we should allow ourselves to take advantage of lessons learned. Keep on Building Hans "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyi ngwood.com> To Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Landing on paved runways 03/03/2006 09:58 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> At the last EAA meeting I talked with our DAR (who tried to talk me out of building a Piet) and he said he landed the one that he test flew last year on a paved runway. He said there aren't any grass strips in Connecticut. I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet. Would the J3 cub style landing gear (like Chuck has on his plane) be a must for this type of scenario? -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19358#19358


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    Time: 07:44:19 AM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing on paved runways
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> I'm building mine with and interchangeable tailskid and steerable tailwheel. It will be a quick change and I can use the skid on grass runways and the wheel when traveling when paved runways may be encountered. Extra work to do but will be worth it to me as I plan to do a lot of traveling. Doc (H) --- Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander > Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> > > Glenn, > > Did your DAR fly a Pietenpol without brakes and a > tailskid ? > The classic 1930's Pietenpol had no brakes and only > a tailskid, some of us > still build them that way, but they are hard to > handle on paved runways. > The skid works (almost) as a brake but only on grass > runway. > If you fly from paved runways brakes and a tailwheel > are a must have. > > Personally I chose to go with spit landing gear (and > brakes and tailwheel) > as I liked the looks of it. > But straight or split landing gear should make no > difference on paved or > grass. > > For safety sake you should have brakes and a > tailwheel. > It is nice to be authentic 1930's but we are now in > the 21st Century and we > should allow ourselves to take advantage of lessons > learned. > > Keep on Building > > Hans > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19358#19358 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:59:32 AM PST US
    From: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Re: Landing on paved runways
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> You would be better to stick with the tail wheel and jetison the tailskid.What happens when you take off from grass and you encounter a paved run way.Who is going to climb out and change that skid to a wheel while in mid fight.Besides,I've seen guys trying to take off with skids,they go all over the place,no control.You would be better to install a wheel lock. Galen Hutcheson wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> > > I'm building mine with and interchangeable tailskid > and steerable tailwheel. It will be a quick change > and I can use the skid on grass runways and the wheel > when traveling when paved runways may be encountered. > Extra work to do but will be worth it to me as I plan > to do a lot of traveling. > > Doc (H) > > --- Hans Vander Voort > <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander > > Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> > > > > Glenn, > > > > Did your DAR fly a Pietenpol without brakes and a > > tailskid ? > > The classic 1930's Pietenpol had no brakes and only > > a tailskid, some of us > > still build them that way, but they are hard to > > handle on paved runways. > > The skid works (almost) as a brake but only on grass > > runway. > > If you fly from paved runways brakes and a tailwheel > > are a must have. > > > > Personally I chose to go with spit landing gear (and > > brakes and tailwheel) > > as I liked the looks of it. > > But straight or split landing gear should make no > > difference on paved or > > grass. > > > > For safety sake you should have brakes and a > > tailwheel. > > It is nice to be authentic 1930's but we are now in > > the 21st Century and we > > should allow ourselves to take advantage of lessons > > learned. > > > > Keep on Building > > > > Hans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19358#19358 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > >


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    Time: 09:10:48 AM PST US
    From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing on paved runways
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> Harvey, been there-done that. I have had a couple of planes (both antique bipes that origionally came out with tail skids and later converted to wheels) and I really liked the set up. Like I said, if I am heading off cross country, then I put the tailwheel on. I only flew the skid at the grass location. But I have landed a skid on pavement (but I had differential brakes) and it wasn't all that bad. With a skid, you use the rudder as the steering device. If you need to change direction of travel while the skid in on the ground, you give a blast from the prop to make the rudder more effective. It takes a lot more skill than a tailwheel, but as I said earlier, practice, practice, practice... Don't care much for tailwheel locks...but that's another story. Doc (H) --- harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule > <harvey.rule@bell.ca> > > You would be better to stick with the tail wheel and > jetison the > tailskid.What happens when you take off from grass > and you encounter a > paved run way.Who is going to climb out and change > that skid to a wheel > while in mid fight.Besides,I've seen guys trying to > take off with > skids,they go all over the place,no control.You > would be better to > install a wheel lock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19358#19358 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > > > Subscriptions page, > > > FAQ, > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > >




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