---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/18/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:50 AM - Elevator leading edge (TBYH@aol.com) 2. 09:07 AM - Re: Model A engine costs (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 3. 09:16 AM - Re: Elevator leading edge (gcardinal) 4. 09:47 AM - Re: Elevator leading edge (Catdesign) 5. 09:50 AM - Re: Wood Ink Test (Alan Lyscars) 6. 02:20 PM - my Piet pics (walt evans) 7. 04:25 PM - Re: my Piet pics (Catdesign) 8. 05:06 PM - Re: Model A engine costs (del magsam) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:50 AM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator leading edge Dumb question and I suppose if I looked at plans even more closely I'd arrive at answer myself ... is the leading edge of the elevators the same cross section as the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer? Or is it the same as the trailing edge of the stab, only reversed? Same question for the rudder and vertical stab ? Only about 120 days to Brodhead! BTW -- my son brought his computer home which has MS Flight Simulator -- he has a Model A powered Pietenpol on it. Have been getting some stick time -- great fun! The glide angle is almost like a space shuttle! Tried flying the 747-400 -- did okay 'til landing. I at least got it on the airport when landing...yes, you can land one of these in the grass (Microsoft grass, that is!). Have a great weekend! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:43 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine costs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Mark: ".....to get a model A to run right" That may never happen. Even Ken Perkins who has the best Model A set up has had his share of problems and probably always will. Even the Corvair guys are having crank shaft problems. But if any one can work that out, WW will do it. On Cost, I couldn't say. I bought an already converted engine on a test stand, engine mt. (fwf minus prop) and a whole pickup load of other stuff for about 3 grand. Including a B which I am told is worth $1500 to the car guys. As far as carrying your weight, I've watched Perkins (He told me once he weight 235) take off with a pretty big passenger, and get off pretty quick and climb good. On the Other hand, last year me and couple of guys were watching Piets fly (at Brodhead) and Bill Rewey (65 Cont.) took off with a pretty hefty passenger and was still VERY low when he passed over the road on the east end. I doubt he did a mid field take off. You couldn't see the west end for the corn. Were all gasping! It was also quite a show watching the passenger get in and out of the front pit. I have a Cont. ($$$$) engine waiting in the wings just in case, but am thinking Corvair because of cost. None of these are real answers to your questions, so I'm giving $0,000.000.002 worth of some observations I have. Leon S. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:06 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator leading edge Fred, The LE of the elevators and rudder are the same cross-section as the TRAILING edge of the stabilizer and vertical fin. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator leading edge Dumb question and I suppose if I looked at plans even more closely I'd arrive at answer myself ... is the leading edge of the elevators the same cross section as the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer? Or is it the same as the trailing edge of the stab, only reversed? Same question for the rudder and vertical stab ? Only about 120 days to Brodhead! BTW -- my son brought his computer home which has MS Flight Simulator -- he has a Model A powered Pietenpol on it. Have been getting some stick time -- great fun! The glide angle is almost like a space shuttle! Tried flying the 747-400 -- did okay 'til landing. I at least got it on the airport when landing...yes, you can land one of these in the grass (Microsoft grass, that is!). Have a great weekend! Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:13 AM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator leading edge This is how I did it. It is easier to explain in picture form. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator leading edge Dumb question and I suppose if I looked at plans even more closely I'd arrive at answer myself ... is the leading edge of the elevators the same cross section as the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer? Or is it the same as the trailing edge of the stab, only reversed? Same question for the rudder and vertical stab ? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:05 AM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Ink Test --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" Thanks, Chris; Yep, it's the ink run method I'm looking for. Now to find where this document resides! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesign" Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Ink Test > How about this one. See page 2 under Flat Grain Slope. Dont know where this > came from. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Lyscars > To: Piet List > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:51 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Ink Test > > > Ok fellows, I've lost my marbles. > > Somewhere in my stack of stuff I've got an article about testing wood grain > direction with india ink. I can't remember which publication it's in: > Sport Aviation Tips, Wood, etc. > > I've got a chance to purchase some Sitka here in Maine (been at the > lumberyard for about a year, having been brought in from the West Coast on > special order for another customer) for $8 per foot (full 2"x6"). VERY > straight grain, with rings averaging 21 per inch (low 18 rpi, high 30 rpi) > throughout the full six inch width. > > Do any of you guys remember this article--maybe from Forest Products Lab > publication, AC 43.13, etc.? > > Thanx, > > Alan > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:36 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: my Piet pics Just ran into my Yahoo pic acct. Forgot I had it. Here's the link in case any one wants to browse my project in a nutshell. Click to make them bigger. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03 walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:49 PM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my Piet pics Walt, can you tell me how you added the tail wheel to the standard Piet design? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: piet list Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: my Piet pics Just ran into my Yahoo pic acct. Forgot I had it. Here's the link in case any one wants to browse my project in a nutshell. Click to make them bigger. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03 walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:31 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine costs Even the Corvair guys are having crank shaft problems. But if any one can work that out, WW will do it. >>>>>not really, its just that the engines are being souped up, extensions made, and engines run at higher rpms on airplanes that are more yank and bank style....they are just finding the limits of the crank design. Del Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! 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