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1. 04:11 AM - Re: One more leak detection method to add to the list (harvey rule)
2. 05:22 AM - model A engine costs (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:50 AM - CG check before and after covering and paint (Rick Holland)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (harvey rule)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (Phillips, Jack)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: my Piet pics (Jack T. Textor)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: my Piet pics (harvey rule)
8. 08:15 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (Cinda Gadd)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (Rick Holland)
10. 08:18 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (Rick Holland)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (Phillips, Jack)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
13. 08:59 AM - looking for Bendix mag (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 09:00 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (Rick Holland)
15. 09:03 AM - Piet for Sale (Richard Gillespie)
16. 09:16 AM - clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Michael D Cuy)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: CG check before and after covering and paint (harvey rule)
18. 09:44 AM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (harvey rule)
19. 10:16 AM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Rick Holland)
20. 10:18 AM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Rick Holland)
21. 10:22 AM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (harvey rule)
22. 10:34 AM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Michael D Cuy)
23. 12:13 PM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Ken)
24. 12:47 PM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Michael D Cuy)
25. 12:51 PM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (Phillips, Jack)
26. 01:03 PM - TFR's (Michael D Cuy)
27. 01:27 PM - Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (walt evans)
28. 01:41 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Phillips, Jack)
29. 03:03 PM - Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. (rod wooller)
30. 03:03 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (walt evans)
31. 03:53 PM - Re: TFR's (Jim Ash)
32. 05:21 PM - Re: TFR's (Jeff Boatright)
33. 05:39 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Catdesign)
34. 08:31 PM - Piet for sale (gcardinal)
35. 10:09 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: One more leak detection method to add to the list |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
HAHAHA,ya gotta love it!
Rick Holland wrote:
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> My wife came up with yet another method of testing for fuel tank
> leaks. Actually a variation on the big ballon or condom method some of
> you guys suggested. I just blow up 'Mr. Leaky' and as long as he stays
> happy I stay happy.
>
> Rick H.
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
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| Subject: | model A engine costs |
Mark,
After much research, I am going the Model A route, but be warned, it is anything
but a clear issue.
As you delve into the flying history of the A on Piets, you'll find some very successful
installations and then lots of unsuccessful installations. You'll also
hear lots of strong opinions from people who have never worked or flown them.
It gets hard to know who to listen to.
I decided the only way to get the straight scoop was to track down as many people
who actually flew them and compile a list of thier experiences. To date I
have interviewed about 12 people who have actual flying experience with A's.
What was interesting was what often lay behind the problems was not the engine,
for example Ken Perkins' engine. He's had three major problems, including two
quits. The first one was due to a bad babbit job which came apart and broke
a rod ( the engine kept chugging away). The second was a broken crank, which
broke because he had welded it twice to get it up to specs (a NONO). The most
recent was due to an aircraft certified magneto. So, were these problems due
to the engine?
I didn't run across many broken cranks (none besides Ken's). I will say that MOST
of the problems were accessory related like carburation (#1), mags (usually
aircraft mags), mag housing problems etc. Also lots of problems due to mistakes
made in design or maintenence (like flying around with two sheared prop bolts!)
Anyways, the A is a very tough, overbuilt engine. If built up well, following
the plans, with lots of care given to the carburation and accessories, they can
be successful, but they have also caused many headaches for people who have
given up.
Regarding power, I spoke with guys who flew two people all the time on hot days.
I also spoke with many guys who could barely stagger into the air on a hot
day solo. There seems to be many variables. I think it is safe to say that a
good running A will fly the plane fine, but you won't be overpowered, and you
better keep the weight down. Remember, these designs required a different kind
of flying than a modern highly-powered design, you just don't have the extra
power, you've got to let it fly itself.
Regarding money, I really overspent on my job. I had most of the work done for
me because I wanted to finish my plane and I'm not much of an engine guy. I
also went down some wrong tracks which ended up costing money. I've also done
things like installed two mags, which REALLY adds to the cost (price two new
magnetos these days!). But I know guys like Larry Williams who were very smart
about what they did and ended up with nice reliable units for decent prices.
I'd say realistically that you'll pay between 2,000 to 6,000 depending on how much
you do and the decisions you make regarding babbit/inserts, dual mags, etc.
If you'd like to see my A journal, email me and I'll shoot you a copy.
Douwe
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| Subject: | CG check before and after covering and paint |
I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including engine and
prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had done a weight and
balance before and after covering, paint, and adding a cowling.
Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict the
final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the balance
much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it slightly to the rear
although adding a cowling would offset that somewhat.
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: CG check before and after covering and paint |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Why don't you leave it uncovered and then you won't have to worry about
it!HAHAHAHA!
Rick Holland wrote:
>
> I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including
> engine and prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had
> done a weight and balance before and after covering, paint, and adding
> a cowling.
>
> Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict
> the final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the
> balance much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it
> slightly to the rear although adding a cowling would offset that
> somewhat.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | CG check before and after covering and paint |
Depends A LOT on the type of paint used. I used Polyurethane on mine
and admire its bulletproof endurance (until you need to repair it) but
found it to be VERY heavy. I figure the fabric and paint on my plane
weighed at least 65 lbs, and most of that was paint.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG check before and after covering and paint
I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including engine
and prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had done a
weight and balance before and after covering, paint, and adding a
cowling.
Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict the
final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the
balance much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it slightly
to the rear although adding a cowling would offset that somewhat.
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
Working together. For life.(sm)
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Great pictures Walt and very helpful!
Jack Textor
Just ran into my Yahoo pic acct. Forgot I had it. Here's the link in
case any one wants to browse my project in a nutshell. Click to make
them bigger.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: my Piet pics |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Amen to that!They are very helpful indeed,thanks a million.I was
wondering how necessary those cooling covers would be on an 80hp
Franklin?My AME hasn't said a thing about putting anything like that on
so far.Maybe we'll have to see about heating factors when we get her
going in flight.Just wondering.
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| Subject: | CG check before and after covering and paint |
Rick,
Haven't done it yet, but here is my plan for weight and balance.
The plane will be complete except for motor mount, cowling, and boot cowl.
Will then build a scrap wood or tube motor mount which will allow me to slide the
engine front and back.
Do the weight and balance and slide the engine so the cg is at the center of cg
range.
Build the motor mount and cowl.
Do the weight and balance again and tilt cabanes to get the cg exact.
Build the boot cowl to the location of the cabanes.
Skip Gadd
PS Corvair, short(flyer and glider) fuse, I weigh 155 lbs.
Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict the final
CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the balance much but
covering the tail and fuselage would shift it slightly to the rear although adding
a cowling would offset that somewhat.
Thanks
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | Re: CG check before and after covering and paint |
You are a funny man Harvey, even on Monday morning.
do not archive
On 3/20/06, harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> Why don't you leave it uncovered and then you won't have to worry about
> it!HAHAHAHA!
>
> Rick Holland wrote:
> >
> > I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including
> > engine and prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had
> > done a weight and balance before and after covering, paint, and adding
> > a cowling.
> >
> > Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict
> > the final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the
> > balance much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it
> > slightly to the rear although adding a cowling would offset that
> > somewhat.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Rick Holland
> >
> > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: CG check before and after covering and paint |
Any idea how that 65 lbs changed your CG Jack?
Rick H
On 3/20/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> Depends A LOT on the type of paint used. I used Polyurethane on mine and
> admire its bulletproof endurance (until you need to repair it) but found it
> to be VERY heavy. I figure the fabric and paint on my plane weighed at
> least 65 lbs, and most of that was paint.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2006 9:49 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: CG check before and after covering and paint
>
>
> I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including engine
> and prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had done a weight
> and balance before and after covering, paint, and adding a cowling.
>
> Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict the
> final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the balance
> much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it slightly to the rear
> although adding a cowling would offset that somewhat.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> Working together. For life.(sm)
> _________________________________________________
>
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>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | CG check before and after covering and paint |
AFT! Very little covered surface is forward of the CG.
I had originally estimated that my CG would be fine with the wing
shifted aft 2-1/2" from vertical (cabanes). Once I finished it and
weighed it, I ended up moving the wing another 1-3/8" aft.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG check before and after covering and
paint
Any idea how that 65 lbs changed your CG Jack?
Rick H
On 3/20/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com > wrote:
Depends A LOT on the type of paint used. I used Polyurethane on mine
and admire its bulletproof endurance (until you need to repair it) but
found it to be VERY heavy. I figure the fabric and paint on my plane
weighed at least 65 lbs, and most of that was paint.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG check before and after covering and paint
I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including engine
and prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had done a
weight and balance before and after covering, paint, and adding a
cowling.
Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict the
final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the
balance much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it slightly
to the rear although adding a cowling would offset that somewhat.
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
Working together. For life.(sm)
This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain
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the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
Working together. For life.(sm)
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| Subject: | CG check before and after covering and paint |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Rick,
Except for the paint on the tail feathers, you should be able to just about
ignore the paint. As for the engine: you know the following---a) you want
the empty cg to be about 2" ahead of the main gear axles, b) you can get a
good approx. of the engines weight from books or by weighing it separately.
SOOOOOO do the math. Put the plane sans engine on some scales and see how
far behind the axles the current empty cg is......., arm x mass, calulate
how much forward arm you need with engine's known mass to move the new
total mass of plane plus engine to a empty cg in front of the axles. I
had to do this configuration because of my weight of 280 lbs and the fact
we used a 0-235 engine. Moved the battery around to insure my loaded cg
was within the 25-32% of wing chord when loaded and flying. Gotta get good
with the math. After fuel starvation due to some dumb mistake by
builder/test pilot, screwing up the loaded CG for flight is second most
likely reason for homebuilder crashes and burns.
Gordon Bowen
Original Message:
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From: Rick Holland at7000ft@gmail.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG check before and after covering and paint
I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including engine and
prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had done a weight and
balance before and after covering, paint, and adding a cowling.
Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict the
final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the balance
much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it slightly to the rear
although adding a cowling would offset that somewhat.
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | looking for Bendix mag |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hello, low 'n' slow fliers;
I'm looking for a Bendix S4RN-21 magneto for my A65-8; right-hand rotation,
with impulse coupling (and gear, if possible), serviceable, airworthy. None
on eBay so I'm asking around. Please reply directly to me, not to the list,
at taildrags@hotmail.com
Thanks!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: CG check before and after covering and paint |
That gives me an idea Harvey. Remember the Gossamer Albatros? I think it was
covered with clear Saran Wrap type stuff. Think of the advantages, it would
look like it hasn't been covered or painted even when its flying, and the
covering would only weigh a couple pounds.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Albatross/Small/ECN-12454.jpg
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On 3/20/06, harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> Why don't you leave it uncovered and then you won't have to worry about
> it!HAHAHAHA!
>
> Rick Holland wrote:
> >
> > I have seen pictures of many Piets completely assembled including
> > engine and prop minus covering and paint. Was wondering if anyone had
> > done a weight and balance before and after covering, paint, and adding
> > a cowling.
> >
> > Am starting to design a motor mount and would like to better predict
> > the final CG. I would guess that covering the wing wouldn't change the
> > balance much but covering the tail and fuselage would shift it
> > slightly to the rear although adding a cowling would offset that
> > somewhat.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Rick Holland
> >
> > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
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>
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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I have a restored Piet for sale. Wide cockpits and a strong
A-65 w/Slicks. New wing and tail fabrics and all new paint. Located at LaBelle,
FL. $12,500.00. E-mail direct for more info.
Dick Gillespie margdick@peoplepc.com
239/936-2774
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| Subject: | clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
Rick-- yours would look like this pretty much except for not having a
bottom wing !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: CG check before and after covering and paint |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
We used tedlar on our Lazairs but it was somewhat milky.Mylar is the
cleanest for see through but you can't leave it out in the sun for long
because it turns brittle and will break with the least amount of
pressure.Some kid once said hey daddy look at the selefain plane,
refering to my aircraft.The covering has to be taped on and I'm not sure
how it would stand up to the speeds at which you will fly.Our top speed
was a vne of 55mph and we cruised at 30 mph,in the air at 19 mph.It
would look neat though.
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Cool pic!That's really neat!
Michael D Cuy wrote:
>
> Rick-- yours would look like this pretty much except for not having a
> bottom wing !
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
> Name: clearjenny.jpg
> clearjenny.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
> Encoding: base64
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
That looks incredible. Any idea what that covering is? Maybe clear Monocote
like we used to use on our RC models?
Rick H
On 3/20/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Rick-- yours would look like this pretty much except for not having a
> bottom wing !
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
Remember the 'Invisible Man' and 'Invisible Woman' models that we had to
assemble in biology class? With clear skin so you can see the internal
organs? I can call my Piet the 'Invisible Air Camper'.
Rick H.
do not archive
On 3/20/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Rick-- yours would look like this pretty much except for not having a
> bottom wing !
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I remember seeing a picture in a magazine that a guy had painted his
aircraft to make it look like you were seeing the inside as if the skin
had been damaged and ripped off.I believe it was one of those Long eze
planes.The picture was airbrushed onto the composite material and did it
ever look cool!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Rick-- I forget where that Jenny was that was covered in some clear plastic
covering, possibly Monokote.
I too recall the Invisible Man and Woman models. Now it is cool again to
manufacture electronic and computer
devices with clear housings.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken <av8orken@adelphia.net>
I belive they we 'visible' not 'invisible' and you can still purchase them.
Rick Holland wrote:
> Remember the 'Invisible Man' and 'Invisible Woman' models that we had to
> assemble in biology class? With clear skin so you can see the internal
> organs? I can call my Piet the 'Invisible Air Camper'.
>
> Rick H.
>
> do not archive
>
> On 3/20/06, *Michael D Cuy* <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
> <mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>
> Rick-- yours would look like this pretty much except for not having a
> bottom wing !
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Okay Ken, don't confuse us with the facts, as one of our fellow workers
here likes to say !!
Good catch-- yes, visible not invisible !
Just watched Air Force One land here at lunch then depart a while
ago. That is one nice looking 747.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Glad the floating TFR was in Cleveland, and not here.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: clear covered Jenny--photo attached.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Okay Ken, don't confuse us with the facts, as one of our fellow workers
here likes to say !!
Good catch-- yes, visible not invisible !
Just watched Air Force One land here at lunch then depart a while
ago. That is one nice looking 747.
Mike C.
do not archive
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Yes Jack, and there were actually two Presidential TFR's in Ohio today
since the VP was in the state
as well today !
Now we'll have to watch the news tonight and see what moron busted the
TFR's and had to have an F-16
chase him out of the sky. It always happens----esp. in Ohio it seems.
(I knew I should have checked the TFR's:))
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo |
Pardon the grass.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo |
Walt, looking at your tailwheel setup it is obvious you discovered the
same problem with the BHP design I did - the darn thing wants to twist
when the tailwheel is turned. I ended up making my A-arm of 5/8" x .049
wall tubing, and added cross pieces to prevent twisting (after breaking
the one I made per the plans after only 3 hours of flying). Of course
Bernard designed this mount for a tailskid which by its nature can't
force the kind of twisting loads that a swiveling tailwheel can. The
coil spring does nothing to resist the A-arm twisting and the whole
assembly can go through some alarming gyrations, which make for some
interesting ground-handling characteristics.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo
Pardon the grass.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: clear covered Jenny--photo attached. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller" <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
The Jenny in Mike's photo is covered with Mylar plastic. It was restored in
the 80's by the late Gene Frank of Caldwell, Idaho.
Mr Frank had a large collection of "projects" which are now for sale at
www.radialengines.com
Rod W
>From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: clear covered Jenny--photo attached.
>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:14:49 -0700
>
>That looks incredible. Any idea what that covering is? Maybe clear Monocote
>like we used to use on our RC models?
>
>Rick H
>
>On 3/20/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > Rick-- yours would look like this pretty much except for not having a
> > bottom wing !
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>
>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo |
Jack,
Yeah, I thought all was OK, till someone said that the wheel was laying over. Then
it made perfect sense. The height of the wheel is a lever that can twist
those tubes with not much pressure. So I discussed it with my mentor, and he
gave me the general Idea, and where the loads were. I came up with this which
was added to the original tubes. He approved, so I painted it and put it on.
No problems with it except for the fact that it added a smidge to the already
heavy tail.
AIN"T LIFE GRAND!! :
)
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo
Walt, looking at your tailwheel setup it is obvious you discovered the same problem
with the BHP design I did - the darn thing wants to twist when the tailwheel
is turned. I ended up making my A-arm of 5/8" x .049 wall tubing, and added
cross pieces to prevent twisting (after breaking the one I made per the plans
after only 3 hours of flying). Of course Bernard designed this mount for
a tailskid which by its nature can't force the kind of twisting loads that a swiveling
tailwheel can. The coil spring does nothing to resist the A-arm twisting
and the whole assembly can go through some alarming gyrations, which make
for some interesting ground-handling characteristics.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:26 PM
To: piet list
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo
Pardon the grass.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03
walt evans
NX140DL
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
When I grow up I want my own personal TFR.
... but I don't plan on growing up.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2006 4:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: TFR's
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>Yes Jack, and there were actually two Presidential TFR's in Ohio today
>since the VP was in the state
>as well today !
>
>Now we'll have to watch the news tonight and see what moron busted the
>TFR's and had to have an F-16
>
>chase him out of the sky. It always happens----esp. in Ohio it seems.
>
>(I knew I should have checked the TFR's:))
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Moron busting TFRs or citizens being criminalized by moronic (pop-up) TFRs? ;)
> >
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
>><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>>
>>Yes Jack, and there were actually two Presidential TFR's in Ohio today
>>since the VP was in the state
>>as well today !
>>
>>Now we'll have to watch the news tonight and see what moron busted the
>>TFR's and had to have an F-16
>>
>>chase him out of the sky. It always happens----esp. in Ohio it seems.
>>
>>(I knew I should have checked the TFR's:))
>>
>>Mike C.
>>
> >do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo |
Hey Jack, I have pictures of your plane with a leaf spring tail wheel and the Pietenpol
designed A-arm style. What are you running now and when did you switch.
The A-arm looks like the one Ken Perkins builds. Is this one of them? Got
any good pictures of you reinforced A-Arm?
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo
Jack,
Yeah, I thought all was OK, till someone said that the wheel was laying over.
Then it made perfect sense. The height of the wheel is a lever that can twist
those tubes with not much pressure. So I discussed it with my mentor, and
he gave me the general Idea, and where the loads were. I came up with this which
was added to the original tubes. He approved, so I painted it and put it on.
No problems with it except for the fact that it added a smidge to the already
heavy tail.
AIN"T LIFE GRAND!! :
)
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo
Walt, looking at your tailwheel setup it is obvious you discovered the same
problem with the BHP design I did - the darn thing wants to twist when the tailwheel
is turned. I ended up making my A-arm of 5/8" x .049 wall tubing, and
added cross pieces to prevent twisting (after breaking the one I made per the
plans after only 3 hours of flying). Of course Bernard designed this mount for
a tailskid which by its nature can't force the kind of twisting loads that a
swiveling tailwheel can. The coil spring does nothing to resist the A-arm twisting
and the whole assembly can go through some alarming gyrations, which make
for some interesting ground-handling characteristics.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:26 PM
To: piet list
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo
Pardon the grass.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=3D5f03
walt evans
NX140DL
Working together. For life.(sm)
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FYI -
Former list member Richard DeCosta is selling his Air Camper project in Maine.
Here is the link:
http://www.richarddecosta.com/images/piet/Piet.html
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| Subject: | Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo |
Jack and Walt,
Do you guys have the Long Fuselage tailwheel swingarm ? The long fuse has a
longer swingarm, and has more tendency to twist with side loads. I have the
short fuselage, and the shorter original design tailskid, with a tailwheel
added. I built it so the wheel is behind the original skid location. It keeps
the tail lower when landing so full stall landings are easier, but I still have
to drag the tail on first, before the mains, to get the full stall landing.
I've never had any problems with twisting the swingarm, and I even do loops on
the ground, with one brake applied heavily. I have this maneuver on my video,
with smoke on. The plane almost disappears in a cloud of Smoke !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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