---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/22/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:41 AM - Drag wires (Rick Holland) 2. 09:16 AM - 1/8" 7x19 galvanized Drag wires (Michael D Cuy) 3. 09:36 AM - Re: 1/8" 7x19 galvanized Drag wires (DJ Vegh) 4. 02:10 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Bill Church) 5. 02:35 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Ed G.) 6. 02:56 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Ed G.) 7. 03:29 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Phillips, Jack) 8. 04:00 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Kenneth M. Heide) 9. 04:05 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Rcaprd@aol.com) 10. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo () 11. 04:24 PM - Piet Paradise (bike.mike) 12. 05:35 PM - Re: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo (Jim Markle) 13. 08:35 PM - Re: Drag wires (gcardinal) 14. 10:08 PM - Re: Drag wires (Shaun Smith) 15. 11:15 PM - Drilled Bolts or Not (Catdesign) 16. 11:15 PM - Drill Bits (Catdesign) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:34 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag wires Sorry to bring up this subject again but since the plans call for 13 gauge solid (I believe) drag wires and since their doesn't seem to be solid aircraft grade wire I took a look through the archives. Looks like people have used 3/32 and 1/8, (Jack, you must have the strength of the Terminator to bend 1x19 1/8" stainless around a thimble). Do you guys know of Piets that have successfully flown for many hours using 3/32" 7x7 or 7x19? If not then I better go for the safer (and heaver) 1/8". If 1/8" cable is used any drawbacks to using 7x19 galvanized? Thanks Rick H -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:33 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/8" 7x19 galvanized Drag wires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Rick-- I could not see going thru the hassle of making solid drag and anti-drag wires since I had already done much work with the 1/8" cable assys. in our elevator/stick system so I went with the 1/8" cables in the wings with turnbuckles. It was really very easy and on annual condition inspections I find them to be in good shape tension wise. I use a highly sophisticated method in checking the tension and that consists of removing a few inspection covers in the bottom of the wings and sticking my hand in there to tug on them here and there. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:01 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1/8" 7x19 galvanized Drag wires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > I use a highly sophisticated method in checking the tension and that > consists of removing a few inspection covers in the bottom > > of the wings and sticking my hand in there to tug on them here and there. > > Mike C. that sounds awfully similar to a complex and very precise method I use to check the structural integrity of the stabilizer before flying my Cheetah. I grab hold of the end of one side and give her a good yanking up and down. DJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo From: "Bill Church" Chuck, I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental "long fuse" plans. So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any drawings of the longer one. Bill C. ________________________________ I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:23 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." >From: "Bill Church" >To: >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0500 > >Chuck, > >I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one >size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details >given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage >framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood >and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental >"long fuse" plans. >So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any >drawings of the longer one. > >Bill C. > >________________________________ > >I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two >different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was >looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out >that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to >where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without >it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. > >Chuck G. >NX770CG ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:23 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." Sorry about that..I clicked on reply instead of delete. A senior moment?? anyway while I'm here I've got something to share..Like in D.Js case my area has grown so much that hanger rents are $500.00 per month with a three year waiting list and the airport area has become too urban to want to fly a Piet type plane out of anyway. Not a big incentive to finish my Piet. Last week I made an offer on a 4 acre lot on a grass strip way out in the country and today I got the signed contract back. Yee Haw. Ain't life Grand !!! Ed G. Do Not Archive >From: "Ed G." >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." > > >>From: "Bill Church" >>To: >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0500 >> >>Chuck, >> >>I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one >>size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details >>given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage >>framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood >>and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental >>"long fuse" plans. >>So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any >>drawings of the longer one. >> >>Bill C. >> >>________________________________ >> >>I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two >>different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was >>looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out >>that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to >>where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without >>it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. >> >>Chuck G. >>NX770CG > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Way to go Ed! I'm in a similar condition - I've got a contract on a lot right on the runway at Smith Mountain Lake airport in Virginia, with deeded runway access. Eventually plan to retire and open a Bed & Breakfast & Hangar right on the airport, catering to the fly-in crowd. Anyone flying in a Pietenpol will get a huge discount. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G. Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." Sorry about that..I clicked on reply instead of delete. A senior moment?? anyway while I'm here I've got something to share..Like in D.Js case my area has grown so much that hanger rents are $500.00 per month with a three year waiting list and the airport area has become too urban to want to fly a Piet type plane out of anyway. Not a big incentive to finish my Piet. Last week I made an offer on a 4 acre lot on a grass strip way out in the country and today I got the signed contract back. Yee Haw. Ain't life Grand !!! Ed G. Do Not Archive >From: "Ed G." >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." > > >>From: "Bill Church" >>To: >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0500 >> >>Chuck, >> >>I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one >>size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details >>given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage >>framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood >>and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental >>"long fuse" plans. >>So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any >>drawings of the longer one. >> >>Bill C. >> >>________________________________ >> >>I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two >>different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was >>looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out >>that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to >>where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without >>it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. >> >>Chuck G. >>NX770CG > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > Working together. For life.(sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:10 PM PST US From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo Jack, I would like reservation for mid summer, one person, staying for a two weeks, have dog with leash, needing plenty of fuel for days of scenic flying.... Fargo Ken "Phillips, Jack" wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Way to go Ed! I'm in a similar condition - I've got a contract on a lot right on the runway at Smith Mountain Lake airport in Virginia, with deeded runway access. Eventually plan to retire and open a Bed & Breakfast & Hangar right on the airport, catering to the fly-in crowd. Anyone flying in a Pietenpol will get a huge discount. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G. Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." Sorry about that..I clicked on reply instead of delete. A senior moment?? anyway while I'm here I've got something to share..Like in D.Js case my area has grown so much that hanger rents are $500.00 per month with a three year waiting list and the airport area has become too urban to want to fly a Piet type plane out of anyway. Not a big incentive to finish my Piet. Last week I made an offer on a 4 acre lot on a grass strip way out in the country and today I got the signed contract back. Yee Haw. Ain't life Grand !!! Ed G. Do Not Archive >From: "Ed G." >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." > > >>From: "Bill Church" >>To: >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0500 >> >>Chuck, >> >>I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one >>size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details >>given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage >>framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood >>and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental >>"long fuse" plans. >>So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any >>drawings of the longer one. >> >>Bill C. >> >>________________________________ >> >>I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two >>different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was >>looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out >>that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to >>where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without >>it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. >> >>Chuck G. >>NX770CG > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > Working together. For life.(sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:03 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo In a message dated 3/22/2006 4:12:13 PM Central Standard Time, eng@canadianrogers.com writes: Chuck, I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental "long fuse" plans. So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any drawings of the longer one. Bill C. I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. Chuck G. NX770CG Bill, I didn't measure it, but I seem to remember that Larry's swing arm sure looked longer. That last bay is one of the places that B.H.P. added 2". It may be mentioned somewhere else, other than the drawings. Has anyone else heard of the longer swing arm ? Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:46 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: You got it, Ken How are you going to fly with a dog in a Pietenpol? Jack Do Not Archive > > From: "Kenneth M. Heide" > Date: 2006/03/22 Wed PM 06:58:55 EST > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo > > Jack, > > I would like reservation for mid summer, one person, staying for a two weeks, have dog with leash, needing plenty of fuel for days of scenic flying.... > > Fargo Ken > > "Phillips, Jack" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > Way to go Ed! I'm in a similar condition - I've got a contract on a lot > right on the runway at Smith Mountain Lake airport in Virginia, with > deeded runway access. Eventually plan to retire and open a Bed & > Breakfast & Hangar right on the airport, catering to the fly-in crowd. > Anyone flying in a Pietenpol will get a huge discount. > > Jack Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G. > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." > > > Sorry about that..I clicked on reply instead of delete. A senior > moment?? > anyway while I'm here I've got something to share..Like in D.Js case my > area > has grown so much that hanger rents are $500.00 per month with a three > year > waiting list and the airport area has become too urban to want to fly a > Piet > type plane out of anyway. Not a big incentive to finish my Piet. Last > week > I made an offer on a 4 acre lot on a grass strip way out in the country > and > today I got the signed contract back. Yee Haw. Ain't life Grand !!! Ed > G. > Do Not Archive > > >From: "Ed G." > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Bill Church" > >>To: > > >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo > >>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0500 > >> > >>Chuck, > >> > >>I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one > >>size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details > >>given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage > >>framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood > >>and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the > supplemental > >>"long fuse" plans. > >>So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any > >>drawings of the longer one. > >> > >>Bill C. > >> > >>________________________________ > >> > >>I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two > >>different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was > >>looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out > >>that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to > >>where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without > >>it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. > >> > >>Chuck G. > >>NX770CG > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working together. For life.(sm) > _________________________________________________ > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:07 PM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Paradise Jack, I'd like the month of May, when the fish get hungry for summer bugs, the rains slacken and the honeysuckle is in bloom. I'll bring a case of whatever you drink, no dog, my own fuel, and lots of flying stories. Mike PS Will your neighbor's daughter be home from college yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth M. Heide Jack, I would like reservation for mid summer, one person, staying for a two weeks, have dog with leash, needing plenty of fuel for days of scenic flying.... Fargo Ken "Phillips, Jack" wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Way to go Ed! I'm in a similar condition - I've got a contract on a lot right on the runway at Smith Mountain Lake airport in Virginia, with deeded runway access. Eventually plan to retire and open a Bed & Breakfast & Hangar right on the airport, catering to the fly-in crowd. Anyone flying in a Pietenpol will get a huge discount. Jack Phillips ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:42 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" And this Saturday we're going up to Adair Oklahoma (more or less between Tulsa and Joplin...) to (probably) make an offer on 20 acres (WITH a runway and 3 T-hangers)....or if Julia gets her way...the really nice nearby house on 23 acres and no runway....yes, I know....I've already checked out hangar space at a nearby airport.... Walt's right.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed G." Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." > > > Sorry about that..I clicked on reply instead of delete. A senior moment?? > anyway while I'm here I've got something to share..Like in D.Js case my > area has grown so much that hanger rents are $500.00 per month with a > three year waiting list and the airport area has become too urban to want > to fly a Piet type plane out of anyway. Not a big incentive to finish my > Piet. Last week I made an offer on a 4 acre lot on a grass strip way out > in the country and today I got the signed contract back. Yee Haw. Ain't > life Grand !!! Ed G. Do Not Archive > >>From: "Ed G." >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 >> >>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Bill Church" >>>To: >>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added tailwheel pics to my Yahoo >>>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0500 >>> >>>Chuck, >>> >>>I just checked through the full set of drawings, and there is only one >>>size of tailskid swing arms shown. (There really are no new details >>>given for the "long" fuselage other than one side view of the fuselage >>>framework and one side view of the fuselage framework with the plywood >>>and turtledeck added.) The tailskid is not redrawn for the supplemental >>>"long fuse" plans. >>>So, there's likely a pretty good reason why you have never seen any >>>drawings of the longer one. >>> >>>Bill C. >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>I didn't realize there was different length swing arms for the two >>>different lengths fuselages either, until Brodhead '04 when I was >>>looking over Larry W. award winning Model A Pietenpol. He pointed out >>>that that's the reason for the cross bar between the Vee, up close to >>>where the pivot mount is, is because the swing arm would twist without >>>it. I've never seen any drawings of the longer one. >>> >>>Chuck G. >>>NX770CG >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:52 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag wires Hi Rick, Dale and I used 1/8" 7X19 galvanized cable for the drag / anti-drag cables on NX18235. Tested / pre-stretched to 60% of rated strength (1200#) prior to installation. No drawbacks. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag wires Sorry to bring up this subject again but since the plans call for 13 gauge solid (I believe) drag wires and since their doesn't seem to be solid aircraft grade wire I took a look through the archives. Looks like people have used 3/32 and 1/8, (Jack, you must have the strength of the Terminator to bend 1x19 1/8" stainless around a thimble). Do you guys know of Piets that have successfully flown for many hours using 3/32" 7x7 or 7x19? If not then I better go for the safer (and heaver) 1/8". If 1/8" cable is used any drawbacks to using 7x19 galvanized? Thanks Rick H -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:38 PM PST US From: Shaun Smith Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag wires take me off your list gcardinal wrote: Hi Rick, Dale and I used 1/8" 7X19 galvanized cable for the drag / anti-drag cables on NX18235. Tested / pre-stretched to 60% of rated strength (1200#) prior to installation. No drawbacks. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag wires Sorry to bring up this subject again but since the plans call for 13 gauge solid (I believe) drag wires and since their doesn't seem to be solid aircraft grade wire I took a look through the archives. Looks like people have used 3/32 and 1/8, (Jack, you must have the strength of the Terminator to bend 1x19 1/8" stainless around a thimble). Do you guys know of Piets that have successfully flown for many hours using 3/32" 7x7 or 7x19? If not then I better go for the safer (and heaver) 1/8". If 1/8" cable is used any drawbacks to using 7x19 galvanized? Thanks Rick H -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drilled Bolts or Not From: "Catdesign" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" What style of AN3-17 do we use on the lower cabaine fittings? Drilled shank with a castle nut or use a nyloc nut or just a plane old nut and washer? When is it ok to use non-drilled bolts and when should you use drilled (for safety wire)? I know I should know this but I don't know this, ya know what I mean? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23646#23646 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drill Bits From: "Catdesign" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" What style of drill bits are people using to drill through the wood. Twist? Brad Point? Are you drilling the correct size hole first or sneaking up on it with increasingly larger bits? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23647#23647