---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/29/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:02 AM - Re: Newbie (sorry long) (panhandler1956) 2. 08:43 AM - Test - Trying this forum (Terry Bowden) 3. 08:46 AM - Re: Elevator hinges (Rick Holland) 4. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Newbie (sorry long) (Mark Blackwell) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: Lower Cabain Fitting Problem Solved (Rick Holland) 6. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Newbie (sorry long) (pietflyr) 7. 11:40 AM - Re: Newbie (sorry long) (Glenn Thomas) 8. 12:47 PM - Sun & Fun.....YeHAAAA (Barry Davis) 9. 05:49 PM - Re: Newbie (sorry long) (panhandler1956) 10. 05:56 PM - Re: Elevator hinges (Dick Navratil) 11. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (sorry long) (Kenneth M. Heide) 12. 07:31 PM - Model A engine question (Carl Vought) 13. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (sorry long) (Kenneth M. Heide) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) From: "panhandler1956" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" Thanks Glenn. Seems like I'm on track. I will have to look up Michael Cuy for his video too. Regards, -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24993#24993 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test - Trying this forum From: "Terry Bowden" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Terry Bowden" I have been on the Piet email list for a long time. Just decded to try this forum thing out... perhaps will get fewer emails now. -------- Pietenpol C-75 NX133H HopGrasser Taylorcdraft BC12-D N95598 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25016#25016 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:11 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator hinges Fred I bought a cheap router table at Grizzly for around $40 that I mounted my router in. It comes with a fence like a table saw that you can brace your work against as you router out a slot or channel. Used it a bunch to cut the channels in the all the tail pieces in addition to the hinge slots. Rick H. On 3/28/06, TBYH@aol.com wrote: > > So -- what's the best way to mortise in or countersink the Vi Kapler > aluminum hinges in the horizontal stab and elevator? Can it be done with > careful use of a good, sharp wood chisel? I have a router, but I'm afraid > I'd slip and ruin the main beam of the stab or elevator...would appreciate > any tips. > > Fred B. > La Crosse, WI > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:00 AM PST US From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" I haven't started mine yet but that's what I did. I called and found out the Don is one of the nicest men you would ever want to talk to. The extra resource alone was in my opinion worth any extra I might have spent for plans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "panhandler1956" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" > > > First dumb question. I searched the archives, I promise. > > I would like to go ahead and get a set of plans and I realise that the > "family" is the place to go. > > Should I order the package deal - includes plans, 3 piece wing plans, & > supplemental drawings? I was also going to grab the full size rib drawing > and the builders manual - basically everything they sell except for the > scout plans. > > Also is there a complete list of other folks who have plans/drawings of > subsystems, etc? I noticed the name Keri-Ann Price among others who offer > (offered) additional info. Looks like I missed out as the website > "www.aircamper.org" was mentioned often, but the link is dead. > > Thanks in advance! > > -------- > Brent O. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24888#24888 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower Cabain Fitting Problem Solved Chris I am sorry to do this to you, just when you had this issue figured out and were ready to proceed, but putting the fitting on the 'filler' doesn't prevent the wing from moving forward or backward. I just measured mine and I can move the wing back 5" and forward 2" from vertical. The only reason it stops is the bottom ends of the cabane struts hit the plywood, nothing to do with the cabanes not being parallel (if I ground some metal off the cabane ends the wing would move even further). My advise is to pretend you never read this and proceed the way you were going to. Rick H. On 3/28/06, Catdesign wrote: > > All, > > Thanks for all the help and advice about the lower cabain fitting (labeled > inside strut fitting on the plans). I now know why no one has mentioned > this > before. > > As luck would have it, I happen to have a piece of streamlined tubing in > my > 4130 scrap box of I got from Aircraft Spruce (I also like their barging > bag > of spruce cutoffs, something like $20, see their catalog). This tubing is > just about, if not exactly, the correct size for the vertical struts. As > you can see from the picture, even though there appeared to be no room for > the strut to fit between the front seat back and the fitting, it fits > quite > easily. As someone pointed out in response to my original question, the > fat > part of the tubing is towards the front 1/3rd thus making it fit in this > small space. So, once again the plans are correct and the builder is > wrong. > Now repeat after me, follow the plans, follow the plans, follow the plans. > > I have no idea why the long fuselage plans added the =BE" brace with the > note > "3/4"x3 Filler For Strut Fitting". It seems to be split 50-50 as to > whether > or not to put your fitting on this filler piece. I thought it was for > clearance but that seems wrong now. I'm tempted to put my fitting on the > filler because I would like to build a metal frame right behind the > headrest > to mount shoulder straps on to. But, and here is my problem, I would also > want to move the front one back the same amount. This would keep the > vertical struts parallel with the added benefit of moving the wing back > about 1" as I'm sure I will need to slant the struts back later to correct > a > rearward CG. I'm thinking too much. This is how projects get stalled, > like > mine is right now. I think the best thing to do is just move the back one > and deal with it. It works, so don't change it. Right? Ouch, my brain > hurts. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:49 AM PST US From: "pietflyr" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" I should have mentioned Mike Cuy's and Chuck Gantzer's videos in my "Must Have" list. His and Chuck's are both very good, with different subject matters. Good inspiration, too. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of panhandler1956 Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" Thanks Glenn. Seems like I'm on track. I will have to look up Michael Cuy for his video too. Regards, -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24993#24993 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Mike's video can be obtained through this link: http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html I just got one a couple of weeks ago. Makes you aware of all the ways you can customize your plane. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25050#25050 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:06 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun & Fun.....YeHAAAA Hope to see everyone at Sun & Fun next week. Some of the Big Piet Builders are flying down to Key West this weekend as a pre-runner to our flying the Piets to the Bahamas, then back to SNF for the week. Looks like we are having a Southern Piet Fly-in this fall. Looks like the 2nd Saturday/Sun in July. Airport will be Carrollton, Ga, CTJ. More info to follow after Sun n Fun. PLEASE give us some feedback on this. Barry Davis ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) From: "panhandler1956" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" Guys, I am floored by the warm welcome and hospitality of the folks on this list. In addition to the great replies, I have recieved a dozen emails, which were all EXTREMELY helpful. Thanks again and I hope I can contribute back. -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25133#25133 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:59 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator hinges I have a set of small hobby chisels. I tapped them out with a small hammer. I did them all in a couple of hours. Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator hinges Fred I bought a cheap router table at Grizzly for around $40 that I mounted my router in. It comes with a fence like a table saw that you can brace your work against as you router out a slot or channel. Used it a bunch to cut the channels in the all the tail pieces in addition to the hinge slots. Rick H. On 3/28/06, TBYH@aol.com wrote: So -- what's the best way to mortise in or countersink the Vi Kapler aluminum hinges in the horizontal stab and elevator? Can it be done with careful use of a good, sharp wood chisel? I have a router, but I'm afraid I'd slip and ruin the main beam of the stab or elevator...would appreciate any tips. Fred B. La Crosse, WI -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:59 PM PST US From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) Newbie...... Just another thought..... When we stgarted our project I ran the blue prints done to Kinkos and had them laminated before we made our jigs. This way we could glue over them and never have to worry about the wood sticking to the plans or ruining the copies. Yes, we did have to transfer them into a pdf. file before Kinkos could print them on their plotter. It makes gluing and messy clean up much easier and will not leave your paper tracing stuck to your parts....... Out to pasture.... panhandler1956 wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" Thanks Glenn. Seems like I'm on track. I will have to look up Michael Cuy for his video too. Regards, -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24993#24993 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:59 PM PST US From: "Carl Vought" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine question I'm completing the work on my Model A engine and I'd like to get some help on the head. I've checked the archives . I bought the Dan Price head and as some of you know, consideration must be given to clearance between the head and the pistons. At TDC, my pistons are .045 above the deck. if I cut too much clearance in the head, the compression ratio will be lowered. If I cut too little, the piston will strike the head. Sufficient clearance must be allowed for carbon buildup and thermal expansion of the rod. Can anybody out there give me some guidance on a procedure for determining optimum cllearance? I would appreciat that very much........Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:42 PM PST US From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie (sorry long) Brent, AS a matter of fact.....you can. I'll take a ride in the jet for a $100.00 hambuger anytime........ Ken Fargo, ND panhandler1956 wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" Guys, I am floored by the warm welcome and hospitality of the folks on this list. In addition to the great replies, I have recieved a dozen emails, which were all EXTREMELY helpful. Thanks again and I hope I can contribute back. -------- Brent O. 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