---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/03/06: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:35 AM - Re: tools revisted (panhandler1956) 2. 05:34 PM - Re: tools revisted (panhandler1956) 3. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: tools revisted (Glenn Thomas) 4. 09:05 PM - Re: tools revisted (Catdesign) 5. 09:06 PM - Re: tools revisted (Glenn Thomas) 6. 11:36 PM - Re: Re: tools revisted (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted From: "panhandler1956" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" Guys, Thanks for all the great info. It is much appreciated! Brent O. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26232#26232 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted From: "panhandler1956" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" As a side note: I was able to squirrel a router with punger attachment and a compound miter saw out of my lovely wife through some serious Tim Tool-time style rationalization sprinkled with a lethal dose of manipulation. [Twisted Evil] I'm a bad boy but I'm on my way. Luckily I have rat holed the money for the plans so no worries there. I'll be ordering them as soon as I return from vacation. DO not archive -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26352#26352 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:15 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" To my wife, a power tool is a generic machine. To her they pretty much all do the same thing so why keep getting more? I guess it's OK. I feel the same way about her shoes and handbags. Along those lines, since she doesn't notify me of a new bag or pair of shoes, so tools just appear in my workshop. ...but since this project started explaining all the boxes and packages coming to the house is getting tiresome. Question about those small hand planes Cliff recommends. What kind of work are they good for? I haven't used a plane for anything but getting sticky doors to close. I was looking at the wooden components of a few landing gear assemblies thinking that it was probably shaped with some type of plane (squared at the ends, rounded everywhere else). Anybody have a picture of the making of these pieces? ----- Original Message ----- From: "panhandler1956" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" > > As a side note: I was able to squirrel a router with punger attachment and a compound miter saw out of my lovely wife through some serious Tim Tool-time style rationalization sprinkled with a lethal dose of manipulation. > [Twisted Evil] > I'm a bad boy but I'm on my way. Luckily I have rat holed the money for the plans so no worries there. I'll be ordering them as soon as I return from vacation. > > DO not archive > > -------- > Brent O. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26352#26352 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:23 PM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" This is what I think I use to build the fuselage. I'm sure it can be done differently and with other tools. This is assuming you buy your wood already dimensioned, i.e. 1x1 1x3/4 ect. Must have: -Good steel/aluminum 6", 12" and 36" ruler -4" - 6" square for laying out parts (I also use a plastic 8" T square all the time) -" to1" Chisels, cheap set from Lows, sharpen with 320 sandpaper on a flat surface. Good for chipping off glue squeeze out. -Calipers and or Micrometer, 0.001 accuracy works well -Wood cutting Band saw (in a pinch a scroll saw) -Hack saw and a strong arm or die grinder with cutoff wheels. -Drill press -Stationary Belt sander or Disk sander -Hand Drill -Reamers for perfect sized holes (I think you only need 3 sizes) -Good Drill bits -Sharpie pens, pencils, band aids -One of the angle measuring thingies. (proper name is sliding bevel). -Good Miter box and saw -C-Clamps, Bar clamps, large binder clips, home made PVC pipe kind ect. -Cut the plywood sides by hand with a smooth hand saw and 8' strait edge made form angle aluminum -Sandpaper -6" bench vice -Books on building planes -Aircraft Spruce catalog, get to know it well. -This list Good to buy if you have the funds: Gas Welder (This is almost a must for most people) Metal Band saw (Buy one, it will be the best $150 bucks you'll ever spend at Harbor Freight, toss the blade it comes with and get a bi-metal blade from Home Depot) Power Miter saw with a good blade, used it a lot but not really necessary Barrow / use someone else's/ buy one it you really want to (I didn't use it that much) Table saw Router Gas Welder If your buying raw lumber, i.e. 2x4 1x2 ect: You will, at least, need a table saw. With a good blade and using feather boards you probably don't need a planer and jointer but they would be nice to have. or you can rip with your band saw but I think you will need to run them through a jointer and planer pr table saw as above. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Clif, I found a picture of the tool I was looking for when doing the landing gear legs. It was your site after all. http://www.clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol4.html What is that tool called and how hard is it to develop dexterity with it? I looked for one on Lee Valley and didn't see it but don't know what they're called. Nice pictures on the site! -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26385#26385 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:35 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tools revisted --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Glen, It's called a draw knife or draw shave. It's primarily a coarse tool for removing wood quickly but with some practice can do some fairly close work. Our ancestors made pretty much everything with a draw knife, broad hatchet ( one side flat, like a very wide chisel ) and a brace with bits as a basic set of tools. I watched a documentary once of a Norwegian boat builder who made his living building much sought after seaworthy lapstrake boats with nothing but a broad hatchet and a brace and bit. Spokeshaves and planes are essentially drawknives with bodies designed to control the cut to a finer and finer degree. To take it a bit further, all cutting tools are refined wedges. So now we're a little closer to your question about planes. Suppose you have a 1/4" strip you want to use for your turtledeck but one end is 1" and the other is 1 1/8". Draw your line that will make it 1" down the whole length and zip away with your little plane. you could use a large plane or chisel or even that fast moving disk sander but that little plane will give you much better control and when you stop it stops. Power tools don't do that, oops! I also rounded off the tail leading and trailing edges with it. Here's one more tool good for fine work, glue cleanup, preparing surfaces for gluing and painting, taking out sanding marks etc. http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32672&cat=1,310,41069&ap=1 As with all tools, if you have it you'll find uses for it. When you find a new use for a particular tool suddenly it becomes indispensable for that use and a big sense of wonder and satisfaction washes over you with a; " Wow! Look at that! Gimme another piece of wood, I want to try that again!" IMPORTANT NOTICE!!! If you want to get on your wife's good side, make a nice little jewelry box out of some nice hardwood like cherry, walnut, rosewood. Find other nice little things to make. Not only will you build your skills but there will be that " You made this yourself? For me?" wow factor. Every time a new tool turns up she'll be wondering what wonderful little thing is going to turn up next. Oh yeah, make her a simple shoe rack so she can organize that 40 pair dumped in the bottom of her closet. A few things like that and she'll be buying YOU tools. :-) Besides, where do you want to be at Christmas? Out in that crowd of rushing frantic people, in all that blowing snow, ice and freezing rain?? Or in your own quiet warm and peaceful Santa's workshop??? http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=44179&cat=1,250,43217 Thanks for the compliment. One of these days I'm going to have to organize that part like the rest of it. It just sort of crept up on me, one picture at a time. :-) Clif Good luck boys. > Clif, > I found a picture of the tool I was looking for when doing the landing > gear legs. It was your site after all. > > http://www.clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol4.html > > What is that tool called and how hard is it to develop dexterity with it? > I looked for one on Lee Valley and didn't see it but don't know what > they're called. Nice pictures on the site! > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com