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Sun 04/09/06


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 06:54 AM - Stress testing Corvair motor mounts? (Ben Charvet)
     2. 07:37 AM - How many Piets are flying? (panhandler1956)
     3. 09:49 AM - Building logs??? (Launchpad)
     4. 10:23 AM - Re: Building logs??? (Ben Charvet)
     5. 11:23 AM - Stromberg Supplement (Alan Lyscars)
     6. 11:35 AM - Intake spider (TBYH@aol.com)
     7. 04:23 PM - Torque Tube Pulleys (John Egan)
     8. 05:08 PM - Re: Torque Tube Pulleys (Ben Charvet)
     9. 05:43 PM - Torque Tube Pulleys (Oscar Zuniga)
    10. 07:14 PM - Re: Intake spider (Clif Dawson)
    11. 07:14 PM - Re: Torque Tube Pulleys (Catdesign)
    12. 07:58 PM - Re: How many Piets are flying? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    13. 08:19 PM - nose fuel tank (Dick Navratil)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:54:46 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Stress testing Corvair motor mounts?
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> Hi All, I'm building a Pietenpol and have welded up a motor mount per Pietenpol plans. In WW's book he talks about stress testing the motormount. I'm not clear if he is talking about new designs, or just to stress test your particular welding skills. My mount turned out pretty nice, but I'm far from a professional welder. My mount was welded up right on the firewall and turned out very true and straight, meaning all the holes line up easily. I'm curious how many of you have stress tested your motor mounts. This subject keeps coming to me at 2AM. I saw the quote "Nature can always find the hidden flaw" somewhere the other day, and it sure makes you want to pay attention to the details. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl


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    Time: 07:37:59 AM PST US
    Subject: How many Piets are flying?
    From: "panhandler1956" <bowens2@insight.rr.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "panhandler1956" <bowens2@insight.rr.com> Does anyone happen to have an estimate on how many Pietenpols are out there? I looked in the archives and couldn't find anything. Maybe a search of the FAA registration website (by someone smarter than me) would give us a clue. Of course that wouldn't account for all the international Piets. It would just be interesting to know. Any ideas? -------- Brent O. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27132#27132


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    Time: 09:49:27 AM PST US
    From: "Launchpad" <launchpad@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Building logs???
    Greeting to all, Well I am about to start building and I was wondering if anyone knows of a builders logbook for the computer? Also curious what sort of building logs everyone keeps? Are there particular guidlines of what is needed for records kept and when I need to have inspections, ect.. So much to learn. For the record, I have waited several years so that I am 100% certain that I will complete this project after I start. I noticed an awful large number of builders that have there work for sale. I wanted to be sure I would not lose interests. All these years and I am all pumped up... Brian, Brighton Michigan


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    Time: 10:23:22 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Building logs???
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> Welcome, Brian There are no specific regulations that I know of about building logs, other than they have to document what work you did yourself to establish that you meet the 51% requirement for homebuilts. This definitely isn't a problem for a Pietenpol. I'm just keeping a written log by date of what I have accomplished. There are software programs available on a web-based format to purchase, like Kitlog Pro at kitlog.com, or you can just use the free program on mykitplane.com like I do. Just go to mykitplane.com and follow the links to builders logs, pietenpol, and you'll find several builders including me. If you haven't already, get involved with your local EAA chapter and they can hook you up with a Technical Advisor that will do periodic inspections along the way (for free). These are the folks that will keep you out of trouble, as the FAA only looks at the completed project. Joining the EAA also gives you access to their homebuilder area on their website that has lots of useful tips on building, registering, and test-flying your homebuilt. In reference to the multiple projects for sale, you have to know going in that this is a long-term project, and people's life situation and motivations can change over a period of 5-10 years. I'm not retired and only can work on my project a few hours a week. I've been building about 1.5 years, and have my fuselage on the landing gear, my motor mount built, and my wing ribs made. I realistically have at least 3 more years to go. I'm sure others will chime in with the advise to do something on the project every day, even if it just to sit in the cockpit for a few minutes making airplane noises. The longer you stay away, the harder it is to forget where you left off, and the easier for your priorities in life to readjust..... Hang in there, Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Launchpad wrote: > Greeting to all, > Well I am about to start building and I was wondering if anyone knows > of a builders logbook for the computer? Also curious what sort of > building logs everyone keeps? Are there particular guidlines of what > is needed for records kept and when I need to have inspections, ect.. > So much to learn. > For the record, I have waited several years so that I am 100% certain > that I will complete this project after I start. I noticed an awful > large number of builders that have there work for sale. I wanted to be > sure I would not lose interests. All these years and I am all pumped up... > Brian, Brighton Michigan


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    Time: 11:23:50 AM PST US
    From: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com>
    Subject: Stromberg Supplement
    Gents, I was able to buy an affordable NA-S3A1 at SNF this week. Does anybody have the Bendix Overhaul Supplement for carb. part # 380174-1? I've got a photocopy of a supplement for carb # 380174-2, but I don't trust it for my new (old) carb. Alan


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    Time: 11:35:08 AM PST US
    From: TBYH@aol.com
    Subject: Intake spider
    I've got lot's of 'em in my basement workshop -- the eight-legged variety! They'd probably "Lyc" a Lycoming, too. Or even a Continental... Sorry -- couldn't resist! ; ) Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 04:23:45 PM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Torque Tube Pulleys
    Hello all, I have a question regarding the alignment of the pulleys on the torque tube; two side by side, and one by the aileron horn. According to the prints, the single pulley is centered on the tube, and the two rear pulleys are also centered on the tube. Are people aligning the single pulley with one of the rear pulleys so they are aligned and attaching the cable tab on the control arm so it is also aligned or does it not matter to do this? Also, depending on how the wing gets located above the fuselage, my aileron cables (from torque tube horn to spar pulleys) will be at some angle. Have people found where the optimal location to mount the aileron horn is, or is the dimension (14-1/2" from pilot seat) on the print just right? I would think if the horn is too far back, the cables may interfere with the instruments, and if it's too far forward, the cables may rub on something else. I'm building a long fuselage, and am getting ready to weld the torque tube. I do not have the center section built, and the wings mounted. I could weld everything on the torque tube except the aileron horn and save that until I get a wing mounted. Thank you, John ---------------------------------


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    Time: 05:08:25 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Torque Tube Pulleys
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> Hi John, I offset the front pulley to one side so it was aligned with one of the rear pulleys. I put a slight z bend into the tabs I welded through the rear control stick, so the tabs would align with the pulleys. Here is my picture from mykitplane.com: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=979&PlaneID=481. I haven't installed my center section yet either, but my control horn is within an inch or two of the front seatback, so I don't anticipate any problems with interfering with instruments. Ben John Egan wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a question regarding the alignment of the pulleys on the torque > tube; two side by side, and one by the aileron horn. According to the > prints, the single pulley is centered on the tube, and the two rear > pulleys are also centered on the tube. > > Are people aligning the single pulley with one of the rear pulleys so > they are aligned and attaching the cable tab on the control arm so it > is also aligned or does it not matter to do this? > > Also, depending on how the wing gets located above the fuselage, my > aileron cables (from torque tube horn to spar pulleys) will be at some > angle. Have people found where the optimal location to mount the > aileron horn is, or is the dimension (14-1/2" from pilot seat) on the > print just right? I would think if the horn is too far back, the > cables may interfere with the instruments, and if it's too far > forward, the cables may rub on something else. > > I'm building a long fuselage, and am getting ready to weld the torque > tube. I do not have the center section built, and the wings mounted. > I could weld everything on the torque tube except the aileron horn and > save that until I get a wing mounted. > > Thank you, > John > > > > > rates starting at 1/min.


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    Time: 05:43:44 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Torque Tube Pulleys
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> John asks- >Have people found where the optimal location to mount the aileron horn is, >or is the dimension (14-1/2" from pilot seat) on the print just right? >I would think if the horn is too far back, the cables may interfere with >the >instruments, and if it's too far forward, the cables may rub on something >else. John, take a look at this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets3.html down where you see a picture of the instrument panel and rear cockpit. Notice where the horn is located relative to the plywood bulkhead that forms the back of the passenger seat. If you go much further forward, you'll be in the plywood bulkhead and framing. If you go much further aft, you'll be in the instruments. If you go on down on that same page, there is a shot looking up underneath the instrument panel and you'll see what I mean; that picture is only showing the two engine instruments, which aren't nearly as deep as the flight instruments above them. And the last picture on that page shows a pretty good closeup of the horn on the torque tube. It's mounted about as far forward as it can go, and that's pretty much where it needs to be. "Build it to the plans" unless the plans aren't clear, then just ask and you'll get answers from some mighty savvy guys here, like Walt Evans, Mike Cuy, Chuck Gantzer, and others. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 07:14:49 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Intake spider
    If they're big ones, leave em alone! If they're teeny weeny ones, clean em out! Or invite bigger spiders in and the nasty little ones will leave. Clif I've got lot's of 'em in my basement workshop -- the eight-legged variety! They'd probably "Lyc" a Lycoming, too. Or even a Continental... Sorry -- couldn't resist! ; ) Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 07:14:49 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
    Subject: Re: Torque Tube Pulleys
    I offset my single pulley just slightly to the left and offset the two to the left so the right pulley is more inline with the cable coming off the stick. There is a slight angle between the front pulley and the back left pulley, the back left being further away from centerline then the front. I put the aileron horn where the plans show it. Never see anyone complain about it being located as shown on the plans. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Torque Tube Pulleys Hello all, I have a question regarding the alignment of the pulleys on the torque tube; two side by side, and one by the aileron horn. According to the prints, the single pulley is centered on the tube, and the two rear pulleys are also centered on the tube. Are people aligning the single pulley with one of the rear pulleys so they are aligned and attaching the cable tab on the control arm so it is also aligned or does it not matter to do this? Also, depending on how the wing gets located above the fuselage, my aileron cables (from torque tube horn to spar pulleys) will be at some angle. Have people found where the optimal location to mount the aileron horn is, or is the dimension (14-1/2" from pilot seat) on the print just right? I would think if the horn is too far back, the cables may interfere with the instruments, and if it's too far forward, the cables may rub on something else. I'm building a long fuselage, and am getting ready to weld the torque tube. I do not have the center section built, and the wings mounted. I could weld everything on the torque tube except the aileron horn and save that until I get a wing mounted. Thank you, John


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    Time: 07:58:20 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: How many Piets are flying?
    In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:38:59 AM Central Standard Time, bowens2@insight.rr.com writes: Does anyone happen to have an estimate on how many Pietenpols are out there? I looked in the archives and couldn't find anything. Maybe a search of the FAA registration website (by someone smarter than me) would give us a clue. Of course that wouldn't account for all the international Piets. It would just be interesting to know. Any ideas? -------- Brent O. Doc Mosher did some extensive research a few years ago, and put out a booklet he calls 'Pietenpol Owner Directory'. He listed the ones from U.S.A., Great Britian, Canada, and South Africa. There must be 600 to 800 listed in there. Really a great little booklet, with lots of pictures, and illustrations. He was selling them for $5 or $10 bucks, but I don't know if he has any more. He goes to Brodhead every year, and I think he still monitors this list. He is a retired Airline Captain...you'll have to let him explain why they call him 'Doc'. He's a great guy to talk with, has a wonderful sense of humor, and absolutely loves old airplanes, especially the Pietenpol. He once told me my plane had the most aft C.G. of any Pietenpol he's ever seen...then he pointed to the last two digits in my N-number. :) His e-mail is - docshop@TDS.net Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 08:19:19 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: nose fuel tank
    Hey all I was just going thru a new West Marine cataloug. They are what it sounds like, a boating supply cataloug. They have really increased the line of fuel tanks they carry. There are several that look like would work for the Piet for the nose. Here are a couple of examples; 13 gal aluminum 18.5"lx16 3/8"w x 10 3/8"h $189.99 11.5 gal polyeythelene 20"l x 14 1/4"w x 11 1/2" h $129.99 These tanks have fills, pick ups and fuel level senders installed. There are several pages of tanks and fittings. They also have online cataloug at www.westmarine.com Dick N.




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