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1. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Wood Sources ()
2. 11:24 AM - (slowbilder@comcast.net)
3. 11:24 AM - Re: Big Piet - Brodhead (slowbilder@comcast.net)
4. 05:47 PM - Re: Landing Gear strength (harvey rule)
5. 06:05 PM - Re: (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
6. 07:18 PM - Gear Leg Fabric & Crosswind Landings (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 07:25 PM - Re: Landing Gear strength (Mark Blackwell)
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Subject: | Re: Wood Sources |
Cc: Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <glennthomas@charter.net>
What I've come to learn is that if the end grain is vertical, then the grain cannot
be straight on the side faces. But the specs say 4 faces. Yesterday I met
with a friend building a Flizter and he told me to not be so fussy witht he
capstrips because of all the gussets. My gut feeling is that I should be looking
for compliant slope on the grain if the piece is quarter cut, or ignore if
the grain is vertical if the top and bottom look OK.
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Barry
Thanks for the Brodhead dates. I'm Bob Humbert in Battle Creek Michigan. I have
a Piet project that I started in 1969. It is finally (hopefully) in the final
stages of completion. Power is C-75-12. It is now out of the garage and
in a hanger in Marshall Michigan, with the wings on, engine mounted, etc. There
are a few issues to resolve with the engine then it should be ready for inspection.
I was afraid that Brodhead would be that weekend. That weekend I will be working
as an official at a national hot air balloon championship in South Carolina
that weekend. That event has conflicted with Brodhead for a number of years.
I will probably have a chance to visit the Brodhead airport again in June while
I am working a hot air balloon event in Monroe WI. I have worked the balloon
event in Monroe in June for a number of years now and have taken the opportunity
to have a look at the planes and projects at Brodhead while I'm there.
regards!
Barry
Thanks for the Brodhead dates. I'm Bob Humbert in Battle Creek Michigan. I have
a Piet project that I started in 1969. It is finally (hopefully) in the final
stages of completion. Power is C-75-12. It is now out of the garage and in a
hanger in Marshall Michigan, with the wings on, engine mounted, etc. There are
a few issues to resolve with the engine then it should be ready for inspection.
I was afraid that Brodhead would be that weekend. That weekendI will be working
as an official at a national hot air balloon championship in South Carolina that
weekend. That event has conflicted with Brodhead for a number of years. I
will probably have a chance to visit the Brodhead airport again in June while
I am working a hot air balloon event in Monroe WI. I have worked the balloon eventin
Monroein June for a number of years now and have taken the opportunity
to have a look at the planes and projects at Brodhead while I'm there.
regards!
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Subject: | Re: Big Piet - Brodhead |
Barry
Thanks for the Brodhead dates. I'm Bob Humbert in Battle Creek Michigan. I have
a Piet project that I started in 1969. It is finally (hopefully) in the final
stages of completion. Power is C-75-12. It is now out of the garage and
in a hanger in Marshall Michigan, with the wings on, engine mounted, etc. There
are a few issues to resolve with the engine then it should be ready for inspection.
I was afraid that Brodhead would be that weekend. That weekend I will be working
as an official at a national hot air balloon championship in South Carolina
that weekend. That event has conflicted with Brodhead for a number of years.
I will probably have a chance to visit the Brodhead airport again in June while
I am working a hot air balloon event in Monroe WI. I have worked the balloon
event in Monroe in June for a number of years now and have taken the opportunity
to have a look at the planes and projects at Brodhead while I'm there.
regards!
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From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Dates are July 21, 22, 23 but the main day is Saturday the 22nd.
Barry
Please put "Big Piet" in subject line so I will see it and not dump with the junk
mail
who are u?
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From: slowbilder@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:43 PM
What are the dates for Brodhead this year?
N491RH
Barry
Thanks for the Brodhead dates. I'm Bob Humbert in Battle Creek Michigan. I have
a Piet project that I started in 1969. It is finally (hopefully) in the final
stages of completion. Power is C-75-12. It is now out of the garage and in a
hanger in Marshall Michigan, with the wings on, engine mounted, etc. There are
a few issues to resolve with the engine then it should be ready for inspection.
I was afraid that Brodhead would be that weekend. That weekendI will be working
as an official at a national hot air balloon championship in South Carolina that
weekend. That event has conflicted with Brodhead for a number of years. I
will probably have a chance to visit the Brodhead airport again in June while
I am working a hot air balloon event in Monroe WI. I have worked the balloon eventin
Monroein June for a number of years now and have taken the opportunity
to have a look at the planes and projects at Brodhead while I'm there.
regards!
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From: "Barry Davis" bed@mindspring.com
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Dates are July 21, 22, 23 but the main day is Saturday the 22nd.
Barry
Please put "Big Piet" in subject line so I will see it and not dump with the junk
mail
who are u?
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:43 PM
What are the dates for Brodhead this year?
N491RH
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear strength |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Just riding in on this old message here to ask why most of you guys
don't enclose the landing gear in fabric?I noticed a few had it done in
some of the photos but most where open.Is this personal preference or is
there a reason?Since in most cases the landing gear is of a cub type,I
would think it would be enclosed.How does this effect flight
characteristics?If at all.
Rick Holland wrote:
>
> Tim
>
> I also wanted Cub style gear on my Piet with springs. Since the GN-1
> gear is really just reverse engineered Cub gear I bougth a set of GN-1
> plans and merged the two designs. Haven't heard of a lot of Cubs
> breaking their gear. To prevent prop and fuselage damage if a main
> gear collapses I have heard of people installing a safety cable
> between the two axles (although I have never seen one on a Piet), has
> anyone installed something like this?
>
> You will also notice in the picture that I went for bolt on axles
> which can be shimmed later if my measuring, cutting, grinding, and/or
> welding is off a bit (a very distinct possibility). Am using Matco
> axles and wheels.
>
> Rick H
>
> On 2/17/06, Tim Willis <strategyguy536@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I am intending to use Cub-type split LG, except for crossed
> tube and die springs, instead of bungees.
>
> I have talked with a few people who have had hard or bad
> landings in Piets. In all cases something snapped in their
> LG. In at least one case the mains held, but a part of the
> spring X-member snapped, causing the right LG to splay out.
>
> As you know collapsing LG can break the prop, a wing or two,
> or even crack a longeron. I think we all have at least one
> hard landing in our future, whether from a forced or
> unscheduled landing, strong or highly variable winds, poor
> visibility, or skillset problems. I am looking for a little
> insurance here.
>
> Does anyone have recommendations for beefing up the LG?
> What has anyone done in this regard? What would you do
> differently with this in mind?
>
> Thanks.
>
> < BR>
>
> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
I think you meant this message for someone else - or maybe the list in general.
Too bad you can't make Brodhead though - it's a great time.
Tom B.
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Subject: | Gear Leg Fabric & Crosswind Landings |
In a message dated 4/15/2006 7:49:18 PM Central Standard Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
Just riding in on this old message here to ask why most of you guys
don't enclose the landing gear in fabric?I noticed a few had it done in
some of the photos but most where open.Is this personal preference or is
there a reason?Since in most cases the landing gear is of a cub type,I
would think it would be enclosed.How does this effect flight
characteristics?If at all.
I seem to remember BHP wrote that the fabric covering on the split axle gear,
adversly effects crosswind landings. Very little doubt that is correct,
especially like the crosswinds I was facing last Wednesday. Last summer, I faired
in the round tubing on the gear legs, and I'm glad I did Not put the fabric
on the legs !! I show how I did that on one of the pages of my web site.
Chuck G.
Home Pietenpol NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear strength |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" <markb1958@verizon.net>
>>
>> As you know collapsing LG can break the prop, a wing or two,
>> or even crack a longeron. I think we all have at least one
>> hard landing in our future, whether from a forced or
>> unscheduled landing, strong or highly variable winds, poor
>> visibility, or skillset problems. I am looking for a little
>> insurance here.
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations for beefing up the LG?
>> What has anyone done in this regard? What would you do
>> differently with this in mind?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
Something to think about though before you do beef it up. If you really hit
that hard, do you really want the gear to stay intact? The energy is going
to go somewhere. You could probably build the gear strong enough to take
it, but the energy of that impact is going to be transfered. In this case
the thing that could give is your back. Id rather fix a landing gear and
prop than order an electric wheel chair. How strong is too strong? I don't
have the engineering expertise to say. Someone here might. Yet the Piet
has been around for an awful long time. There hasn't been what I would
consider a rash of gear failures in reasonable landing conditions that some
airplanes have experienced. ( if there has been I haven't heard about it and
would welcome the chance to be educated) If people were breaking gear all
the time, I would definately beef it up. Insurance doesn't always come in
the expected package. That breaking gear might be your insurance.
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