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1. 03:58 AM - Piet Project Available (Isablcorky@aol.com)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fabric & Crosswind Landings (harvey rule)
3. 06:56 AM - Re: Piet for Sale (Larry Nelson)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: Landing Gear strength (Rick Holland)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: Landing Gear strength (Rcaprd@aol.com)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: Landing Gear strength (Rick Holland)
7. 10:40 AM - Rudder Return Spring (Lynn Knoll)
8. 11:32 AM - Re: Rudder Return Spring (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 12:37 PM - Alaska Pietenpol project begins again... (Rob Stapleton)
10. 01:25 PM - [ Harvey Rule ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
11. 01:32 PM - [ Graham J. Hansen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
12. 01:35 PM - [ Chris Tracy ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
13. 05:11 PM - Re: Piet Project Available (Alan Lyscars)
14. 06:25 PM - Re: Piet Project Available (harvey rule)
15. 07:40 PM - Re: Alaska Pietenpol project begins again... (Mark Blackwell)
16. 08:42 PM - Re: Landing Gear strength (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 08:42 PM - Re: Rudder Return Spring (Dick Navratil)
18. 10:16 PM - Re: Alaska Pietenpol project begins again... (Rob Stapleton)
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| Subject: | Piet Project Available |
Pieters,
Times change with aging and health. That is the total reason for this
decision. It has become necessary for us to rid ourselves of all these hobby
goodies and the only way is to go all the way. So I am offering my Piet project
with all materials on hand, power tools, books, everything. Located in
Shreveport, La 3 blocks east of I-49, 3 miles south of I-20. This will be the
only
notice to the net. If seriously interested contact me direct.
_Isablcorky@aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com) . I promise you a bargain and I won't be
difficult to do business with. I'll have a complete inventory available for those
interested as well as a price.
I was taught never make a major decision at night, always sleep on it. I did.
Corky, still in Louisiana
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Leg Fabric & Crosswind Landings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Great info;thankyou.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet for Sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
I am going to sell the Howard Henderson Pietenpol,
N444MH. I have enjoyed flying it more than any other
plane I own, but I have to shed myself of some "toys".
I bought this plane from Joe Santana and he bought it
from Howard. I moved the wing back 2.5" and it flies
great with my 220# rear end in the rear cockpit.
I showed it to a prospect this week. It had not been
started for 3 months.
She started first pull.
$10,500, located in Springfield, MO. I think it has
about 120 hours TT engine and airframe. I have all the
builders logs, and an extra prop, plus new ELT which I
never installed.
There are plenty of articles and pictures on this
plane on the internet, but I will send some if anyone
is interested.
My phone number is 417 882 8122.
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
Cessna 195 N9883A
Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear strength |
A related question I posted a while back and didn't see any reply to was
about the addition of a safety cable (for split type gear) to prevent the
gear from totally collapsing. Anyone seen this on a Piet?
RIck H.
On 4/15/06, Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" <
> markb1958@verizon.net>
>
>
> >>
> >> As you know collapsing LG can break the prop, a wing or two,
> >> or even crack a longeron. I think we all have at least one
> >> hard landing in our future, whether from a forced or
> >> unscheduled landing, strong or highly variable winds, poor
> >> visibility, or skillset problems. I am looking for a little
> >> insurance here.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have recommendations for beefing up the LG?
> >> What has anyone done in this regard? What would you do
> >> differently with this in mind?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> Something to think about though before you do beef it up. If you really
> hit
> that hard, do you really want the gear to stay intact? The energy is
> going
> to go somewhere. You could probably build the gear strong enough to take
> it, but the energy of that impact is going to be transfered. In this case
> the thing that could give is your back. Id rather fix a landing gear and
> prop than order an electric wheel chair. How strong is too strong? I
> don't
> have the engineering expertise to say. Someone here might. Yet the Piet
> has been around for an awful long time. There hasn't been what I would
> consider a rash of gear failures in reasonable landing conditions that
> some
> airplanes have experienced. ( if there has been I haven't heard about it
> and
> would welcome the chance to be educated) If people were breaking gear all
> the time, I would definately beef it up. Insurance doesn't always come in
> the expected package. That breaking gear might be your insurance.
>
>
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>
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear strength |
In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:22:01 AM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
A related question I posted a while back and didn't see any reply to was
about the addition of a safety cable (for split type gear) to prevent the gear
from totally collapsing. Anyone seen this on a Piet?
RIck H.
Happy Easter to All !!
Rick,
The safety cable is there in the plans, on Drawing No. 3, bottom center
of the page. It MUST be used with Bunji chords, in the event of a bunji chord
failure. When I had Bunji's, I set the length of this cable to allow the
suggested 2 1/2" of travel, but it seemed I would bottom out the suspension on
this cable, even for just a moderately hard landing. It sent a hard BAM
throughout the airframe. I could never get my bunji's tight enough, even after
shortening them up, and re-tying them 6 or 8 times...no easy chore to re-install
them. I think maybe 2 3/4" would be better, but tube inside would have to be
longer if that safety cable were longer.
Spring of '04, I finally gave up on the bunji's, after one of them came
un-tied, and retrofitted with spring gear. It's not necessary with springs,
because the slot the bolt rides in will only allow X amount of deflection. I
like the springs MUCH better than the bunji's...relatively maintenance free (oil
once in a while), and I have Never bottomed them out.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear strength |
Arn't safety cables sometimes used with spring type split gear also? Just in
case a weld or something breaks on a hard landing?
Rick H.
On 4/16/06, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:22:01 AM Central Standard Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> A related question I posted a while back and didn't see any reply to was
> about the addition of a safety cable (for split type gear) to prevent the
> gear from totally collapsing. Anyone seen this on a Piet?
>
> RIck H.
>
> Happy Easter to All !!
> Rick,
> The safety cable is there in the plans, on Drawing No. 3, bottom
> center of the page. It MUST be used with Bunji chords, in the event of a
> bunji chord failure. When I had Bunji's, I set the length of this cable to
> allow the suggested 2 1/2" of travel, but it seemed I would bottom out the
> suspension on this cable, even for just a moderately hard landing. It sent
> a hard BAM throughout the airframe. I could never get my bunji's tight
> enough, even after shortening them up, and re-tying them 6 or 8 times...no
> easy chore to re-install them. I think maybe 2 3/4" would be better, but
> tube inside would have to be longer if that safety cable were longer.
> Spring of '04, I finally gave up on the bunji's, after one of them
> came un-tied, and retrofitted with spring gear. It's not necessary with
> springs, because the slot the bolt rides in will only allow X amount of
> deflection. I like the springs MUCH better than the bunji's...relatively
> maintenance free (oil once in a while), and I have Never bottomed them out.
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Rudder Return Spring |
We are going with pedals. We installed Piper return springs but something stronger
is required. I can't seem to find any information in the archives. I know.......if
we would have followed the plans and went with a rudder bar we wouldn't
be in this predicament. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Lynn & Kevin Knoll
Piet/Vair
Wichita
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Return Spring |
Use a rudder bar for front pit feet, connect to pedals with a 3/8 4130 rod
on either side and your problem is solved.
That old dumb fellow in Louisiana
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| Subject: | Alaska Pietenpol project begins again... |
Hello,
I am new to the list, but have been monitoring it and reading about the
various projects and advice. Nice.
Tuesday I made the decision to take over Rob Spoo's Pietenpol project and
will be no doubt asking for advice from time to time. Does anyone know if a
Pietenpol has been registered as an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft so
that it can be used for instruction and flown on a Sport Pilot certificate?
Pete Marsh and I run a Sport Pilot instruction center at Birchwood Airport
and we want to use the Pietenpol to give rides to youth interested in
aviation. I haven't asked the FAA about this yet, but wondered if there were
any messages in the string on this.
RS
Rob Stapleton Photojournalist
Anchorage Alaska
907-336-9425
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| Subject: | [ Harvey Rule ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Harvey Rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Lists: Pietenpol-List
Subject: Engine Run Up
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| Subject: | [ Graham J. Hansen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project Available |
Corky,
Please don't do this. You've come too far to dump 'er now! Can we possibly convince
you otherwise? Can we help you fufill your dream?
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project Available
Pieters,
Times change with aging and health. That is the total reason for this decision.
It has become necessary for us to rid ourselves of all these hobby goodies
and the only way is to go all the way. So I am offering my Piet project with all
materials on hand, power tools, books, everything. Located in Shreveport, La
3 blocks east of I-49, 3 miles south of I-20. This will be the only notice to
the net. If seriously interested contact me direct. Isablcorky@aol.com. I promise
you a bargain and I won't be difficult to do business with. I'll have a
complete inventory available for those interested as well as a price.
I was taught never make a major decision at night, always sleep on it. I did.
Corky, still in Louisiana
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project Available |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I for one have really gotten a lot out of Corky's posts.I hope he will
stay with the web page.I understand the reasoning behind what he has to
do though ,sad as it is.The times they are a changing.
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska Pietenpol project begins again... |
Rob there would be no reason to if you are going to build it. Registering it as
an ELSA would get you out of the 51% requirement for building. I also think
that the factory at that point can have maintenance training courses that can
certify owners to do maintenance, but that might be only SLSA.
If you build it under the amature built, you get the Repairmans Certificate if
you build at least 51% without any additional paperwork or training. If the aircraft
meets Light Sport Aircraft specs, then it can be operated by an properly
certified pilot. That includes LS pilots with the proper sign offs and certifications.
Neither ELSA or just experimental will allow any commercial operations so you couldn't
charge for the rides you would give. SLSA allows only flight training
if memory is correct.
As far as asking the FAA, the FAA here is pretty set against most anything LSA.
Its not surprising really when you think about how the organzation is structured.
Asking someone to sign off an ELSA might be the first one that inspector
has done and they don't like signing off things that they haven't done before.
A more conventional experimental is something most have done for a while and
would raise no paperwork concerns or red flags that could get them in trouble.
If anyone else could think of a reason why he should even ask about it, Im all
ears as well cause I looked at the same thing. (Only just for me not giving rides)
I couldn't find a single reason why ELSA would be any better for a scratch
built airplane than experimental.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Stapleton
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alaska Pietenpol project begins again...
Hello,
I am new to the list, but have been monitoring it and reading about the various
projects and advice. Nice.
Tuesday I made the decision to take over Rob Spoo's Pietenpol project and will
be no doubt asking for advice from time to time. Does anyone know if a Pietenpol
has been registered as an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft so that it can
be used for instruction and flown on a Sport Pilot certificate?
Pete Marsh and I run a Sport Pilot instruction center at Birchwood Airport and
we want to use the Pietenpol to give rides to youth interested in aviation.
I haven't asked the FAA about this yet, but wondered if there were any messages
in the string on this.
RS
Rob Stapleton Photojournalist
Anchorage Alaska
907-336-9425
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear strength |
In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:15:24 PM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Arn't safety cables sometimes used with spring type split gear also? Just in
case a weld or something breaks on a hard landing?
Rick H.
I've never seen them on spring gear, in fact I don't know how you would do
it. As the gear takes on weight, the springs compress. Kind of strange looking
when you watch the gear actuate by rocking the plane back & forth. I've done
some runway hardness tests, and the gear holds up just fine.
Chuck G.
Home Pietenpol NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Return Spring |
Do you have front pedals also? Are the front and rear linked? If so, I used a
bungee cord pre made and tied it around a eye in the firewall and hooked it to
each pedal, it works great. Let me know if you would like to see a pic.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Knoll
To: pietenpol list
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Return Spring
We are going with pedals. We installed Piper return springs but something stronger
is required. I can't seem to find any information in the archives. I know.......if
we would have followed the plans and went with a rudder bar we wouldn't
be in this predicament. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Lynn & Kevin Knoll
Piet/Vair
Wichita
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| Subject: | Alaska Pietenpol project begins again... |
Mark,
I have no intention of charging for the rides, I want to do it on behalf the
EAA program for free. As for the ELSA program and the FAA, it is my
understanding that you can charge for instruction while flying an ELSA.
While the category is very restrictive (ie.no night flights, and no flights
over 10,000 ft etc.) it is our mission to advance interest in flying and I
think the Pietenpol will attract attention and can be used as an example.
Now, whether I can find the time to work on this project and finish it, is a
far deeper question on my mind.
Thanks for your reply I will let you know what I am going to do, after I
talk with the local FSDO about it.
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Blackwell
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alaska Pietenpol project begins again...
Rob there would be no reason to if you are going to build it. Registering
it as an ELSA would get you out of the 51% requirement for building. I also
think that the factory at that point can have maintenance training courses
that can certify owners to do maintenance, but that might be only SLSA.
If you build it under the amature built, you get the Repairmans Certificate
if you build at least 51% without any additional paperwork or training. If
the aircraft meets Light Sport Aircraft specs, then it can be operated by an
properly certified pilot. That includes LS pilots with the proper sign offs
and certifications.
Neither ELSA or just experimental will allow any commercial operations so
you couldn't charge for the rides you would give. SLSA allows only flight
training if memory is correct.
As far as asking the FAA, the FAA here is pretty set against most anything
LSA. Its not surprising really when you think about how the organzation is
structured. Asking someone to sign off an ELSA might be the first one that
inspector has done and they don't like signing off things that they haven't
done before. A more conventional experimental is something most have done
for a while and would raise no paperwork concerns or red flags that could
get them in trouble.
If anyone else could think of a reason why he should even ask about it, Im
all ears as well cause I looked at the same thing. (Only just for me not
giving rides) I couldn't find a single reason why ELSA would be any better
for a scratch built airplane than experimental.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Stapleton <mailto:foto@alaska.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alaska Pietenpol project begins again...
Hello,
I am new to the list, but have been monitoring it and reading about the
various projects and advice. Nice.
Tuesday I made the decision to take over Rob Spoo's Pietenpol project and
will be no doubt asking for advice from time to time. Does anyone know if a
Pietenpol has been registered as an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft so
that it can be used for instruction and flown on a Sport Pilot certificate?
Pete Marsh and I run a Sport Pilot instruction center at Birchwood Airport
and we want to use the Pietenpol to give rides to youth interested in
aviation. I haven't asked the FAA about this yet, but wondered if there were
any messages in the string on this.
RS
Rob Stapleton Photojournalist
Anchorage Alaska
907-336-9425
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