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1. 04:01 AM - Re: engineering, tire pressures, ant's-eye views (harvey rule)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Re: Piet Project Available (harvey rule)
3. 05:43 AM - Corky, The Women Air Service Pilots, & The Greatest Generation (Michael D Cuy)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Flying and Glider (Brown Gravy)
5. 07:53 AM - Model A radiator location (Brown Gravy)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Flying and Glider (Rick Holland)
7. 08:16 AM - Re: Model A radiator location (Jack T. Textor)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Model A radiator location (Hans Vander Voort)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Science-engineering and accuracy (Sayre, William G)
10. 09:46 AM - Re: Science-engineering and accuracy (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 10:34 AM - Re: Model A radiator location (Bill Church)
12. 10:47 AM - Items for Sale (Isablcorky@AOL.COM)
13. 10:55 AM - Re: Items for Sale (harvey rule)
14. 12:19 PM - Re: Model A radiator location (Brown Gravy)
15. 12:25 PM - Items for sale (Michael D Cuy)
16. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Model A radiator location (harvey rule)
17. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Model A radiator location (Phillips, Jack)
18. 12:58 PM - lack of vis. with radiator (Michael D Cuy)
19. 12:59 PM - a wide-shouldered passenger (Michael D Cuy)
20. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Model A radiator location (Jack T. Textor)
21. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Model A radiator location (Jeff Boatright)
22. 02:34 PM - Model A engine source? (Brown Gravy)
23. 03:26 PM - doug fir (The Schuerrs)
24. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Flying and Glider CAD Rib (Steve Glass)
25. 03:54 PM - Re: doug fir (jimboyer@hughes.net)
26. 04:23 PM - Re: doug fir (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
27. 04:37 PM - Re: Flying and Glider CAD Rib (Brown Gravy)
28. 05:18 PM - Re: (OT) Moving to Orlando, FL? (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com)
29. 06:06 PM - Re: Model A radiator location (Gene Rambo)
30. 06:09 PM - Re: lack of vis. with radiator (Gene Rambo)
31. 07:32 PM - Wing Rib Jig (plncrzy)
32. 08:19 PM - Re: Wing Rib Jig (Alan Lyscars)
33. 08:32 PM - Re: Wing Rib Jig (James Dallas)
34. 09:44 PM - Re: Re: Model A radiator location (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: engineering, tire pressures, ant's-eye views |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
But will it fly;put the wings on first,HAHAHA,enjoy!
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Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Okay, to put this engineering thing to bed, there is a picture here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P4150001.JPG
>
> The picture shows 41CC on its (currently underinflated) tires, showing 100%
> of its tire treads contacting the hangar floor, plus some of the sidewall is
> slouching onto the floor too. So... I wanted to inflate them but wasn't
> sure how much.
>
> I will inflate them to 28 psi to start with, eyeball from the ant's eye view
> to see how the contact patch looks, make a mental snapshot of that, and give
> it a shot. Thanks to everybody who commented, serious or otherwise!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project Available |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Corky you are a card!Love it!Thanks for everything.Further up than a
Yankee in cold Canada Ottawa.
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| Subject: | Corky, The Women Air Service Pilots, & The Greatest Generation |
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I think we as a group live in a wonderful time in history when we can still
enjoy these steadfast, dedicated, hard-working, nose
to the grindstone kind of people from the WWII era. I don't begrudge the
other war memorials in Washington DC, but after way
too many of our WWII veterans were gone did they finally unveil the
memorial to the relatively small percentage of them still living and
to the rest of us to remember them by.
For those of us who have been fortunate enough to have a friend from the
WWII era, we can ALL vouch for how much they mean to
us. They are usually pretty humble because what they were doing was
expected, what was normal. Today what they did and
who they are today as mentors and people of inspiration is impressive as
heck...though they usually don't like the applause for any
of that.
81 year old Bill Klosz of Cleveland helped me paint my Pietenpol in
1998. He was 73 then. He flew B-24's in WWII but talks little of that
unless you ask him to. All Bill wanted in 1998 was for me to know how to
apply nitrate and butyrate dope properly, how to clean a spray gun
so you could use it next time with no problems, Bill wanted me to know how
to set the float level on my carb to the exact 32nd of an inch,
not plus or minus anything. Bill still has the work ethic and
self-accountability he had in 1940 and offers up no excuses----he's not
offended
by an off color joke---he says that that is diversity. He's not
disenfranchised by anything and if his life was a mess he would only blame
himself.
Bill has softened with age, but when we go to lunch and he asks me why I
haven't changed that cable on the tail that has one strand of cable
poking out he means it. He can give sharp advice, good advice in one
sentence, and he can laugh about the stupid things they did with T-6's
during training. He can tell the story of cleaning up the human parts of
a pilot who jumped off of a wing forward on a Stearman instead of
backward with the engine running, or he can tell you how they used to pee
thru the rubber flaps on the B-24 nosewheel at 15, 000 feet because
it was exciting to do that and not slip thru there in turbulence. He is a
wonderful guy-- a good friend. I will miss him greatly when his time comes.
The WASP pilots at Oshkosh who gather there every year to give lectures,
answer questions, and offer insight into life during WWII are
total walking history and National Gems in my mind. I spent about 8 hours
all told during last years Oshkosh to visit with them, attend
question and answer sessions, and to just absorb the still-living history
of those wonderful 80-something year old ladies who still are with us
in part....most are gone. We live in a wonderful time to be still around
these fine people----I and many others on this list have been
impressively touched by those people from the WWII era like Corky---- and
appreciate them sharing very much.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and Glider |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Oh I didn't notice that one. I have been referring to the Sky Scout drawings for
the wing bracing, so I hopefully I've drawn it correctly.
The wing section shown for the Air Camper isn't complete enough to construct the
ribs. That's the reason for checking the Sky Scout drawings.
The ordinates given for the airfoil plot out in a less than smooth curve to put it mildly, so I searched online for a more carefully composed set of points to enter into CAD. The Holcomb's Aerodrome web page gives a set of ordinates that create a smooth curve when a spline is drawn between then. They provide the ordingates in either XLS or text format. If anyone is interested here's the page: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29407#29407
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| Subject: | Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Has anyone tried an alternate location for the radiator on Model A powered Piets?
Is it possible to locate it below the engine at an angle that follows the original
cowling design?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29411#29411
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and Glider |
Hard core Piet people would say that the un-smooth curves of the Piet
airfoil are the reason that it flys so well and any change will detract from
its flying characteristics.
On 4/19/06, Brown Gravy <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <
> mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
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> Oh I didn't notice that one. I have been referring to the Sky Scout
> drawings for the wing bracing, so I hopefully I've drawn it correctly.
> The wing section shown for the Air Camper isn't complete enough to
> construct the ribs. That's the reason for checking the Sky Scout drawings.
> The ordinates given for the airfoil plot out in a less than smooth curve
> to put it mildly, so I searched online for a more carefully composed set of
> points to enter into CAD. The Holcomb's Aerodrome web page gives a set of
> ordinates that create a smooth curve when a spline is drawn between then.
> They provide the ordingates in either XLS or text format. If anyone is
> interested here's the page: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D29407#29407
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
I believe Jim Malley split it in half and mounted below the cowl.
Jack Textor
Has anyone tried an alternate location for the radiator on Model A
powered Piets? Is it possible to locate it below the engine at an angle
that follows the original cowling design?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29411#29411
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
I am sure you can.
As long as you keep the engine flooded with coolant you might need to add a
expansion tank/reservoir above the engine.
This will add weight and complexity.
The radiator will need to be fully closed (no fill cap), like an oil
cooler.
Can not use a standard automotive radiator.
BHP applied the KISS principle despite the increase in drag.
Simple = safety
Personally I fly the air-cooled Corvair, slightly more complex than a
Continental, but cheap and less complicated than any water cooled engine.
Hans
"Brown Gravy"
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ics.com Subject
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy"
<mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Has anyone tried an alternate location for the radiator on Model A powered
Piets? Is it possible to locate it below the engine at an angle that
follows the original cowling design?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29411#29411
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| Subject: | Re: Science-engineering and accuracy |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Corky,
Dang it - I knew when I typed it I was wrong but I'm not near prints and
I'm too lazy to have looked it up. I figured the whiper-snappers on the
list wouldn't notice and was hoping the wise-guys would let it pass -
but noooooo! You had to say something!
This is proof positive of the knowledge and experience you provide to
the list. Of course I don't know your kids but if they're like most,
they won't know the good junk from the bad junk anyway. I wish you
would keep building, but respect your judgment.
Please stay on the list and add your flavor - I've enjoyed it!
Bill in Washington State
=============================
Bill, If you're talking about accuracy, may I point out from memory that
BHP
recommended the center leaf of a Model T front spring. That would be #4
as
there were 7 leaves. Up or down #4 is the center.
Submitted by a southern smartass for the sake of accuracy.
Still in Louisiana
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| Subject: | Re: Science-engineering and accuracy |
Bill,
I have a #4 MTFFLS on NX311CC as the main plus a half length for support.
Using only the #4 MTFFLS makes the aircraft too springy. Henry used only
vanadium steel in the Model T and it should never break regardless of the landings.
I plan to continue to Piet pittle while I'll be able to spend more time with
my bride.
Corky
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| Subject: | Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Here's a Piet currently for sale with a radiator installed below the
engine.
Now, the ad says it's a Vega engine (not a Model A), but the principle
is the same.
Looks good to me - nice classic Pietenpol profile, with the added
feature of being able to look straight ahead.
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=100034
Bill C.
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Pieters, I forgot to let the list know that I have some excess items
available from Piet building.
4 Dozen Plastic Gallon Milk Containers
1 Case Standard Ping Pong Balls
Corky the adventurer
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| Subject: | Re: Items for Sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I am really trying hard to understand where you would use these things
in the building process.Now I have to admit I didn't start from
scratch,maybe there was something at the beginning?HMMMMMMMMM.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
That's what I had in mind. But before I decide the plane should revolve around
this alternate cooling arrangement I should ask: Is the lack of forward visability
due to the radiator mounted above the engine a real issue? I like the look
of the radiator above the engine. It works with the lines of the plane.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29477#29477
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Corky--- don't tell me that you sold that huge tank of helium at your
garage sale already ??
The Fisherman could use that in his Belize-to-France nonstop flight !!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I would think that the radiator up top would present a huge drag factor.
Brown Gravy wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
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> That's what I had in mind. But before I decide the plane should revolve around
this alternate cooling arrangement I should ask: Is the lack of forward visability
due to the radiator mounted above the engine a real issue? I like the look
of the radiator above the engine. It works with the lines of the plane.
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29477#29477
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Flying a Pietenpol powered by a 65 Continental, I can tell you that
forward visibility with a radiator up there would not be significantly
worse. On the ground, you can't see anything forward anyway. In
flight, who needs to see straight ahead?
Jack Phillips
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That's what I had in mind. But before I decide the plane should revolve
around this alternate cooling arrangement I should ask: Is the lack of
forward visability due to the radiator mounted above the engine a real
issue? I like the look of the radiator above the engine. It works with
the lines of the plane.
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| Subject: | lack of vis. with radiator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
having flown a Piet with a radiator up front of the passenger seat I can
tell you that it really is no factor as far
as final approach and landing goes. The field of view is so wide and the
radiator so narrow in comparison that it
really didn't present any problems for me. Now flaring correctly for the
heavier Model A Ford up front was a bit
unusual for me, but otherwise if you've flown taildraggers much or get some
good taildragger training you soon realize
that general peripheral vision is more important than seeing right down the
white dashed stripe.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | a wide-shouldered passenger |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
now this will screw with you....having a passenger up front that is kinda
tall and with wide shoulders.
I always ask people to shift to one side or the other on
final----preferably the right side so they don't interfere
with the throttle on the left side.
Reason number 14 for taking petit ladies only for rides....
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Make sure you put a rear-view mirror on so you can watch out for
overtaking geese!
Jack Textor
Flying a Pietenpol powered by a 65 Continental, I can tell you that
forward visibility with a radiator up there would not be significantly
worse. On the ground, you can't see anything forward anyway. In
flight, who needs to see straight ahead?
Jack Phillips
That's what I had in mind. But before I decide the plane should revolve
around this alternate cooling arrangement I should ask: Is the lack of
forward visability due to the radiator mounted above the engine a real
issue? I like the look of the radiator above the engine. It works with
the lines of the plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
FWIW, I've thoroughly enjoyed the two rides I was given in
Ford-powered Piets at Brodhead, but I must say, after about 10
minutes the radiator blocking the forward view was annoying. It may
be less of an issue from the pilot's perspective.
>
>...In flight, who needs to see straight ahead?
>
>Jack Phillips
That's what Lindbergh said, and look where it got him! ;)
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, GA 30322
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
http://www.molvis.org/
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| Subject: | Model A engine source? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Model A engine source? Anyone.
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Is anyone or has anyone used doug fir lately? Since I'm a carpenter I spend a
lot of time in lumberyards, I ask everyone if they can get spruce. I also look
at the doug fir to see what it looks like. I've found that 20' or so 2x4's
might have some useable wood a lot of the time. I was just trying to touch base
with someone who has used it to see what they've done. Thanks
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and Glider CAD Rib |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
Hi
There is a cad drawing of the piet airfoil in the flie section of Matronics
piet section. I downloaded it and checked the chord widith and that seemed
to be OK. Not sure which airfoil it is exaxtly but it sure looks like a
Pietenpol to me. Perhaps somebody else might know. I have an old Air
Progress from about 1965 that has a good drawing of the pietenpol.
I originally bought my plans back in 1965 from Bernie Pietenpol but sold
them a few years later. I knew nothing at the time and had no tools or
skills. I now have skills and tools but seem hard pressed to be able to put
myself in the same place as my stuff.
Continuing to monitor the list and gather info and will probably buy the
plans again soon.
Steve G
>From: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying and Glider
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:41:04 -0700
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy"
><mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
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>Oh I didn't notice that one. I have been referring to the Sky Scout
>drawings for the wing bracing, so I hopefully I've drawn it correctly.
>The wing section shown for the Air Camper isn't complete enough to
>construct the ribs. That's the reason for checking the Sky Scout drawings.
>The ordinates given for the airfoil plot out in a less than smooth curve to
>put it mildly, so I searched online for a more carefully composed set of
>points to enter into CAD. The Holcomb's Aerodrome web page gives a set of
>ordinates that create a smooth curve when a spline is drawn between then.
>They provide the ordingates in either XLS or text format. If anyone is
>interested here's the page: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29407#29407
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Hello Steve,
My entire airframe is Doug Fir. I got it at the local lumberyard who allowed my
friend and me to select the wood I wanted. It was floor material and they had
a large selection of tight grain, 8 to 12 per inch. The only other wood in the
airframe is the ash crosspieces and the plywood which is mahogony marine ply.
jimboyer@hughes.net
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Jim:
I am curious what is your empty weight?
michael silvius
scarborough, maine
----- Original Message -----
From: jimboyer@hughes.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: doug fir
Hello Steve,
My entire airframe is Doug Fir. I got it at the local lumberyard who allowed
my friend and me to select the wood I wanted. It was floor material and they had
a large selection of tight grain, 8 to 12 per inch. The only other wood in
the airframe is the ash crosspieces and the plywood which is mahogony marine ply.
jimboyer@hughes.net
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and Glider CAD Rib |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Tonight I'll overlay the points from the FGM with those from http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html . I'll see if they match. They airfoil looks the same, but subtle differences may make a great deal of difference.
Does anyone know what the allowable tolerances are for an airfoil?
Manny
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| Subject: | Re: (OT) Moving to Orlando, FL? |
Hi,
I live near Orlando, (outside Tavares which is about 35 Miles NW of ORL), and
have lived in this area for some 20 years.
The comments your received are pretty much correct exept for the major
problem; this area is growing like crazy and traffic is a real problem. You might
want to consider your commute to your work as a real first priority.
The info on the North of Orlando was OK but dated. Orlando Executive and
Sanford are too congested; Sanford has international airline traffic and the
Comair academy and both are all paved runways.
Bob White and Mid-Florida, (Eustis) are the two public grass strips I know
about.
Hangar rents are not cheap, Leesburg (city owned) just built some more T
hangars and I think its 250/mo or more. What used to be Orlando Country, now
Orlando North is being totally rebuilt; hopes to have upscale large 'condo'
hangars hotel and etc. A new strip near Zellwood has a 3000' paved strip and 14
new
hangars, big ones that can hold 4 SEL; think they go for 500/mo.
You will have to check things out for yourself when you get here.
You can contact me anytime for more questions.
Regards,
Lou Larsen
PS just finishe the permanent engine bearers (oak) for my "A" mount and
started on the cowling sheet metal.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
Sure they have, the sky scout has it mounted on the lower cowl exactly as you suggest.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brown Gravy<mailto:mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator location
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com<mailto:mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>>
Has anyone tried an alternate location for the radiator on Model A powered Piets?
Is it possible to locate it below the engine at an angle that follows the
original cowling design?
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| Subject: | Re: lack of vis. with radiator |
in a tailwheel, if you can see the white dashed stripe, you've got bigger problems
than the radiator location
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy<mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lack of vis. with radiator
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov<mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>>
having flown a Piet with a radiator up front of the passenger seat I can
tell you that it really is no factor as far
as final approach and landing goes. The field of view is so wide and the
radiator so narrow in comparison that it
really didn't present any problems for me. Now flaring correctly for the
heavier Model A Ford up front was a bit
unusual for me, but otherwise if you've flown taildraggers much or get some
good taildragger training you soon realize
that general peripheral vision is more important than seeing right down the
white dashed stripe.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "plncrzy" <plncrzy3@netscape.net>
Hi, I am new to this list and this is my first post. I will be starting my Pietenpol
project soon and as I don't want to re-invent the wheel again, I was wondering
if anyone of you previous builders had a wing rib jig that you were done
with and would be willing to sell. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rib Jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com>
Dear Bryan,
Now, whoa there big feller, 'cause the thing you DON'T want to be buying is
your tooling!
If they're not in your library already, go git a copy of Tony Bengelis'
construction manuals. A lot of us wish Tony was with us today, but at least
he left us his written word.
You're going to find, I think, that when you feel confident enough to create
your own tooling (rib jig, fuselage jig, etc.) to make parts for your ship
you will truly be a homebuilder. Most of us on this list will assist you in
any way we can.
Otherwise, go buy a kitplane!
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "plncrzy" <plncrzy3@netscape.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "plncrzy" <plncrzy3@netscape.net>
>
> Hi, I am new to this list and this is my first post. I will be starting my
Pietenpol project soon and as I don't want to re-invent the wheel again, I
was wondering if anyone of you previous builders had a wing rib jig that you
were done with and would be willing to sell. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks Bryan
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29561#29561
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rib Jig |
Not only that, but what happens further down the road when you accidentally damage
a rib and you've got rid of the one piece of tooling that's going to get
you going again.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars<mailto:alyscars@maine.rr.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Jig
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com<mailto:alyscars@maine.rr.com>>
Dear Bryan,
Now, whoa there big feller, 'cause the thing you DON'T want to be buying is
your tooling!
If they're not in your library already, go git a copy of Tony Bengelis'
construction manuals. A lot of us wish Tony was with us today, but at least
he left us his written word.
You're going to find, I think, that when you feel confident enough to create
your own tooling (rib jig, fuselage jig, etc.) to make parts for your ship
you will truly be a homebuilder. Most of us on this list will assist you in
any way we can.
Otherwise, go buy a kitplane!
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "plncrzy" <plncrzy3@netscape.net<mailto:plncrzy3@netscape.net>>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "plncrzy" <plncrzy3@netscape.net<mailto:plncrzy3@netscape.net>>
>
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Pietenpol project soon and as I don't want to re-invent the wheel again, I
was wondering if anyone of you previous builders had a wing rib jig that you
were done with and would be willing to sell. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator location |
In a message dated 4/19/2006 2:20:49 PM Central Standard Time,
mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com writes:
Is the lack of forward visability due to the radiator mounted above the
engine a real issue?
I've got about 23 hours of flying behind the radiator of a Model A engine,
and it is not an issue, as far as visibility is concerened. However,I had my
radiator custom built to be the width between the fwd cabane struts, and about
1/3 of the way down, leaving some visibility under the radiator. The top tank
was behind the leading edge of the wing, in a cavity that I built in the
bottom of the wing. I have lots of pics & text on this page of my web site:
http://nx770cg.com/ModelAEngine.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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