---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/28/06: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:47 AM - Tailwheel design (Don Emch) 2. 04:06 AM - Re: prop trouble? (harvey rule) 3. 04:23 AM - Re: prop trouble? (Phillips, Jack) 4. 06:12 AM - Tools (Glenn Thomas) 5. 06:27 AM - Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound (Michael D Cuy) 6. 08:07 AM - Re: Tools (Barry Davis) 7. 08:23 AM - Re: Tools (Catdesign) 8. 08:30 AM - Re: Tools (Phillips, Jack) 9. 09:00 AM - Re: Tools (Glenn Thomas) 10. 09:08 AM - Re: Tools (Bill Church) 11. 09:18 AM - Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator (Michael D Cuy) 12. 09:22 AM - ear protection (Michael D Cuy) 13. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Tools (Alan Lyscars) 14. 09:27 AM - Re: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator () 15. 09:27 AM - a serious post about cutting 4130 sheet (Michael D Cuy) 16. 09:36 AM - what holds up a project (Michael D Cuy) 17. 09:53 AM - Re: a serious post about cutting 4130 sheet (Isablcorky@aol.com) 18. 09:58 AM - Gas Tank Location (Egan, John) 19. 10:03 AM - Re: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator (Rob Stapleton) 20. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Tools (Phillips, Jack) 21. 10:30 AM - Re: Tools (Glenn Thomas) 22. 10:39 AM - Re: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator (Ken) 23. 10:46 AM - Re: what holds up a project () 24. 10:46 AM - Re: Tools (Glenn Thomas) 25. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: Tools (Phillips, Jack) 26. 12:01 PM - Re: what holds up a project (Glenn Thomas) 27. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: what holds up a project () 28. 12:38 PM - Re: Gas Tank Location (walt evans) 29. 03:31 PM - Re: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound (gcardinal) 30. 03:52 PM - Re: what holds up a project (Rick Holland) 31. 03:52 PM - Re: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound (Rick Holland) 32. 03:58 PM - off topic but really interesting for you radial guys (walt evans) 33. 05:50 PM - Re: a serious post about cutting 4130 sheet (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com) 34. 06:00 PM - Re: Don E's Airplane--from Ohio Don E's Airplane--from Ohio (Tom Stinemetze) 35. 07:03 PM - more prop trouble? (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel design From: "Don Emch" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" Chris, My tailwheel design is fairly simple but a picture would help much better than trying to explain. I'm headed to the airport in the morning so I'll get some pictures and post them. It may not be the best idea out there but seems to be working. Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31285#31285 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:49 AM PST US From: harvey rule Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop trouble? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: harvey rule Wow!That's really weird. do not archive Dick Navratil wrote: > Some friends stopped by the hangar and we fired up the new engine. > It's running in this pic. Looks like I've got some trouble. The pic > was taken on a camera phone. The prop is just fine. Strange > illusion.Dick N. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop trouble? From: "Phillips, Jack" Cool Engine! Weird prop. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop trouble? Some friends stopped by the hangar and we fired up the new engine. It's running in this pic. Looks like I've got some trouble. The pic was taken on a camera phone. The prop is just fine. Strange illusion. Dick N. Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege= d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i= n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N= orsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tools From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" I'm thinking about getting a shop press. Seems like it would be a handy item for the metal work. What's the best size to get for a Piet project? -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31315#31315 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:32 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick--- that engine must sound sweeeeeet ! Congratulations. You will be a show-stopper with that plane no matter where you stop. That is a PERFECT engine for a Piet. Brats-n-Beers to you. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:02 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tools --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" Don't think we ever used one on our 6 Piets. Now... the tabletop belt sander is another story... used for wood or steel it is the most used tool in our shop, sometimes you have to wait in line to use it. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tools > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" > > > I'm thinking about getting a shop press. Seems like it would be a handy > item for the metal work. What's the best size to get for a Piet project? > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31315#31315 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:47 AM PST US From: "Catdesign" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tools --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" I agree the table top belt sander is a must have item in my shop. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tools > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > Don't think we ever used one on our 6 Piets. Now... the tabletop belt > sander is another story... used for wood or steel it is the most used tool > in our shop, sometimes you have to wait in line to use it. > Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Thomas" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:10 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tools > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" >> >> >> I'm thinking about getting a shop press. Seems like it would be a handy >> item for the metal work. What's the best size to get for a Piet project? >> >> -------- >> Glenn Thomas >> N????? >> http://www.flyingwood.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31315#31315 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tools From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" That, the wood-cutting bandsaw, the metal-cutting bandsaw, and the drill press Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesign Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tools --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" I agree the table top belt sander is a must have item in my shop. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tools > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > > Don't think we ever used one on our 6 Piets. Now... the tabletop belt > sander is another story... used for wood or steel it is the most used tool > in our shop, sometimes you have to wait in line to use it. > Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Thomas" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:10 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tools > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" >> >> >> I'm thinking about getting a shop press. Seems like it would be a handy >> item for the metal work. What's the best size to get for a Piet project? >> >> -------- >> Glenn Thomas >> N????? >> http://www.flyingwood.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31315#31315 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" So, I take it, that all the bending can simply be done with a vise? I thought a press and a die would be necessary to get good clean bends in control horns, fittings, etc. I guess I can save the money (and shop space). Thanks! -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31365#31365 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tools From: "Bill Church" Glenn, Are you talking about a hydraulic shop press? Something like this? (attached photo)... Not too sure how handy it would be for this project. Unless you have access to a metal shop with shear, brake press, punch press, notcher, etc (like some of us are fortunate enough to have), I think the most useful metal working tools for building a Piet would be: 1. a metal cutting bandsaw 2. a drill press 3. a 4" angle grinder - with sanding discs and cut-off wheels (attached photo) 4. a good big vise with some metal bending dies (see this link) http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D2&p=3D32011&cat=3D1,43456,434= 07 5. and the bench mount belt/disc sander mentioned by others Most of the bending on the Piet is narrow strips (or very light gauge stuff), so the vise-mounted dies should be adequate. So, unless you have other, non-Piet uses for a shop press, I would spend my money in other areas. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:35 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy In addition to the excellent suggestions already posted, one should have a used beer/soda fridge nearby the project work area, working portable tv, and a phone line that has been cut and tied off inside a wall, stud, or joist member. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:26 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: ear protection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy as a safety aspect of building a Pietenpol you must wear some sort of ear protection when working with noisy tools such as saws, belt sanders, routers, and drill motors. I suggest ear muffs or ear plugs with a minimum noise reduction rating (NRR) of 26 db. Should you not answer a call downstairs from your wife or kids or miss the phone ringing while you are in the garage or shed, you can always show up with that surprised look on your face and either (preferably have both) your ear plugs strung around your neck (gotta get the ones with the line that tie them together) and your ear muffs atop your head, saying "huh ?" Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:07 AM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" Glenn, Me and my buddy Paul are just starting to work on the fittings of various thickness 4130. Make a bending block per Tony Bengelis. That, and a mallet, are all you need to cold-bend fittings (all the way up to .0125!). Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" > > So, I take it, that all the bending can simply be done with a vise? I thought a press and a die would be necessary to get good clean bends in control horns, fittings, etc. I guess I can save the money (and shop space). > > Thanks! > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31365#31365 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ya right ,then I'm sure your going to get a lot done! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: April 28, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy In addition to the excellent suggestions already posted, one should have a used beer/soda fridge nearby the project work area, working portable tv, and a phone line that has been cut and tied off inside a wall, stud, or joist member. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:07 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: a serious post about cutting 4130 sheet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy If you can find a metal working shop near your house that can shear up some strips of .060 and .090" thick 4130 sheet for you ( shear WITH the grain lettering for safe/good bends) of various plans-required widths, you'll save so much hassle from having to band saw them up, not to mention saving the price on what Aircraft Spruce or others charge for 4130 strip material. If you look at the plans you really only need about 3 or 4 various wide strips of 4130 sheet material to build the entire airplane. It is WORTH looking around for a shop near you who has a shear capable of cutting .060 and .090 sheet ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:12 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: what holds up a project --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Harvey-- I built and flew my Pietenpol in 4.5 years WITH a fridge, TV, and no phone turned on 97% of the time. What would have held me up would have been a wife and kids, not the fridge ! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:03 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a serious post about cutting 4130 sheet In a message dated 4/28/2006 11:28:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes: from having to band saw them up, not to mention saving the price on what Aircraft Spruce or others charge for 4130 strip material. Wicks would always strip a sheet of 4130 18 in X 18 in to my specs without any extra charge. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gas Tank Location From: "Egan, John" Would any one like to comment on how low the bottom of the fuel tank should be mounted (or their successful installation) in the nose area of a Piet=3F I would like to start to mock up the fuel tank to be located in the nose, supplying fuel to an updraft carb, mounted under a Corvair engine. I will complete a flow test as discussed in previous valued comments found in the archive. Thanks all, John (my two most used power tools were the band saw and the table top sander) This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contai= n= privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:53 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" In Alaska we just keep the beer outside the door, use wireless phones, and listen to the radio because there is no TV without cable available anymore. R Stapleton (do not archive) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ya right ,then I'm sure your going to get a lot done! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: April 28, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy In addition to the excellent suggestions already posted, one should have a used beer/soda fridge nearby the project work area, working portable tv, and a phone line that has been cut and tied off inside a wall, stud, or joist member. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Glenn, If you don't already have them, get Tony Bingelis' books (I thought I'd say that before Mike Cuy did). I think the second one "Sportplane Construction Techniques" is the one that shows step-by-step how to make aircraft fittings. All you need are a good vise, a good hammer (I used a 2-1/2 lb sledge) and an "anvil" made from a piece of 1/4" steel with a variety of bend radii ground onto its edges. It is helpful to have a metal cutting bandsaw (I bought one from Grizzly for about $200 that worked great) and I used the sanding disc on the side of my belt sander quite a bit, but it is possible to do everything with handtools - hacksaw and a file. Fittings seem to be a pain at first but by the time I finished building the plane, the metal work and welding was my favorite part. Jack Phillips Hoping to fly NX899JP this weekend -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Thomas Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" So, I take it, that all the bending can simply be done with a vise? I thought a press and a die would be necessary to get good clean bends in control horns, fittings, etc. I guess I can save the money (and shop space). Thanks! -------- Glenn Thomas Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" I went to the Lee Valley site and added a few things (including the vise dies) to my wish list. Thanks again Bill. I've been going through one of the Tony Bengelis books but haven't hit that topic yet. I'll look for it tonight. Thanks Alan. Actually thanks to all. When it comes to tools it's easy to get carried away! -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31398#31398 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:05 AM PST US From: Ken Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tool Essentials-- used refrigerator --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken beer fridge I have portable tv I have but it only picks up snow why do you need the phone line if it has been cut Michael D Cuy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > In addition to the excellent suggestions already posted, one should have > a used beer/soda fridge nearby the > > project work area, working portable tv, and a phone line that has been > cut and tied off inside a wall, stud, or > > joist member. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: what holds up a project From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Amen to that! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: April 28, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: what holds up a project --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Harvey-- I built and flew my Pietenpol in 4.5 years WITH a fridge, TV, and no phone turned on 97% of the time. What would have held me up would have been a wife and kids, not the fridge ! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Thanks Jack, I've got the four books but I've been reading the Sportplane Builder as my last bit of Piet activity every night before I hit the sack. It seemed like the logical first book to read. I have a long flight to Asia in a couple weeks so I'll bring all 4 of them and see how far I get. Will definitely hit the Sportplane Construction Techniques tonight. I'm working on the ribs still, but want to order my metal so I can get started on the wing metal parts soon. This will align me for completing the wing project this summer (hopefully). Thanks -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31408#31408 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Another book that is useful is the EAA's Aircraft Welding book. There is a one-page article in it written by (who else?) Tony Bingelis in which he explains how to make the flared ends on tubing that are used in a number of places on the Pietenpol, such as the spreader bar on solid axle landing gear, and the pushrod that goes between the joysticks on the torque tube. I used this technique on my jury struts as well as the pushrods I used to connect my front rudder pedals to the rudder bar (so I didn't have to use return springs), and the pushrod connecting the front and rear throttles. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Thomas Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tools --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Thanks Jack, I've got the four books but I've been reading the Sportplane Builder as my last bit of Piet activity every night before I hit the sack. It seemed like the logical first book to read. I have a long flight to Asia in a couple weeks so I'll bring all 4 of them and see how far I get. Will definitely hit the Sportplane Construction Techniques tonight. I'm working on the ribs still, but want to order my metal so I can get started on the wing metal parts soon. This will align me for completing the wing project this summer (hopefully). Thanks -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31408#31408 Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what holds up a project From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" I hear that! I basically work on the project on weekends. To justify a solid day of the weekend on the Piet, I feel an obligation to be a husband the other day. (1 day a week!!!) Son is now in college so no hockey/lacrosse to cause further time away from project. I have learned to tuck Piet time into free hour blocks that are not consumed by other things. Early mornings (no power tools) and late evenings are good quality Piet time. You will see shop lights on well into the morning hours if I'm on a roll. Time mgmt is a bigger part of this than I previously thought. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31427#31427 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:38 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: what holds up a project From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: I am so close to finishing ;it's driving me crazy.Everytime I turn around these two AME's I got lookin after me find something else wrong and I have to change something or fix something.I know they are lookin out for me and it's all for the best but like I've said before,I'm no builder and it's drivin me nuts!Soon to fly come hell or high water! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Thomas Sent: April 28, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what holds up a project --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" I hear that! I basically work on the project on weekends. To justify a solid day of the weekend on the Piet, I feel an obligation to be a husband the other day. (1 day a week!!!) Son is now in college so no hockey/lacrosse to cause further time away from project. I have learned to tuck Piet time into free hour blocks that are not consumed by other things. Early mornings (no power tools) and late evenings are good quality Piet time. You will see shop lights on well into the morning hours if I'm on a roll. Time mgmt is a bigger part of this than I previously thought. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31427#31427 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:47 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gas Tank Location John, My tank sits on the existing ply deck from the plans for the long fuselage. My tank is 14 gallons, which is plenty big enough (with a 10 gal backup in the wing C/C). Be careful going too low in the front, with more chance of fuel starvation on climbout. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Egan, John To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gas Tank Location Would any one like to comment on how low the bottom of the fuel tank should be mounted (or their successful installation) in the nose area of a Piet? I would like to start to mock up the fuel tank to be located in the nose, supplying fuel to an updraft carb, mounted under a Corvair engine. I will complete a flow test as discussed in previous valued comments found in the archive. Thanks all, John (my two most used power tools were the band saw and the table top sander) ----- This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ----- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:13 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" I was at Dick's hangar last week and heard the Rotec in operation. I can verify that it does indeed sound sweet. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Dick--- that engine must sound sweeeeeet ! > > Congratulations. You will be a show-stopper with that plane no matter > where you stop. That is a PERFECT engine for a Piet. > Brats-n-Beers to you. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:00 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what holds up a project In my case it would have depended on how much beer was in the fridge. Rick H do not archive On 4/28/06, Michael D Cuy wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy < > Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > Harvey-- I built and flew my Pietenpol in 4.5 years WITH a fridge, TV, an= d > no phone turned on 97% of the time. > > What would have held me up would have been a wife and kids, not the fridg= e > ! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:48 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound Congrats Dick, will love to see and hear it one of these days. Rick H. On 4/28/06, gcardinal wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" > > I was at Dick's hangar last week and heard the Rotec in operation. I can > verify that it does indeed sound sweet. > > Greg C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:26 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N. engine---How Sweet The Sound > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > > > > Dick--- that engine must sound sweeeeeet ! > > > > Congratulations. You will be a show-stopper with that plane no matter > > where you stop. That is a PERFECT engine for a Piet. > > Brats-n-Beers to you. > > > > Mike C. > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:53 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but really interesting for you radial guys Cc: "george alexander" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" neat site. and be sure to check out the video walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Cichocki" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: stuff > > Hi Walt, > Went and bought a 14" band saw from ENCO (Taiwan) thru the net. > Has a 3/4 hp motor but it SFPM is way too fast so I'm in the > process of reducing the speed with a jumble of pulleys. Should > work OK. > I stumbled upon a neat website. This guy built a 1/3 scale > Le Rhone rotary engine that works! The Le Rhone was the engine > on the original Nieuports. Check it out: > http://modelrotaryflyer.tripod.com/index.htm > See ya, > Don > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:13 PM PST US From: PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a serious post about cutting 4130 sheet RE: Wicks I had the same excellent service from Wicks. Lou Larsen ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:20 PM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don E's Airplane--from Ohio Don E's Airplane--from Ohio Hear Hear! If I didn't have guys like Mike and Chuck to talk it over with I would have quit long ago. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS The Airplane Nut Do Not Archive ____ | ____ \8/ / \ I think this whole group owes a debt of gratitude to Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer for the video materials they have produced and the countless emails and other advising they have given that contribute to increasingly better Pietenpols being built. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:16 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: more prop trouble? My friend just forwarded an even weirder pic. Dick N.