Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: what holds up a project (harvey rule)
2. 07:43 AM - NX311CC (Tim Willis)
3. 09:26 AM - Wood trailing edge attachment (Rick Holland)
4. 10:53 AM - Re: Wood trailing edge attachment (Jim Markle)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: Wood trailing edge attachment (walt evans)
6. 12:42 PM - Re: Wood trailing edge attachment (Rick Holland)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Ford Model B with chevy Head (Steve Glass)
8. 01:09 PM - Re: Ford Model B with chevy Head (Steve Glass)
9. 01:41 PM - Re: Wood trailing edge attachment (walt evans)
10. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: what holds up a project (harvey rule)
11. 06:37 PM - Re: Wood trailing edge attachment (Dale Johnson)
12. 07:33 PM - Wing tip brace question (Rick Holland)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: covering of root rib (Don Emch)
14. 07:45 PM - Re: Wood trailing edge attachment (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 07:47 PM - Re: Wing tip brace question (Don Emch)
16. 08:03 PM - Re: Wing tip brace question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: what holds up a project |
I'll send pictures!
do not archive
KMHeide wrote:
> Harvey, In North Dakota we have been through the high waters and it
> has not been easy.....so in passing hell, check things out and get
> back to me. Might want that better than water...... Ken
>
> harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
>
> I am so close to finishing ;it's driving me crazy.Everytime
> I turn
> around these two AME's I got lookin after me find something
> else wrong
> and I have to change something or fix something.I know they
> are lookin
> out for me and it's all for the best but like I've said
> before,I'm no
> builder and it's drivin me nuts!Soon to fly come hell or
> high water!
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Glenn
> Thomas
> Sent: April 28, 2006 3:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what holds up a project
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas"
>
> I hear that! I basically work on the project on weekends. To
> justify a
> solid day of the weekend on the Piet, I feel an obligation
> to be a
> husband the other day. (1 day a week!!!) Son is now in
> college so no
> hockey/lacrosse to cause further time away from project. I
> have learned
> to tuck Piet time into free hour blocks that are not
> consumed by other
> things. Early mornings (no power tools) and late evenings
> are good
> quality Piet time. You will see shop lights on well into the
> morning
> hours if I'm on a roll. Time mgmt is a bigger part of this
> than I
> previously thought.
>
> --------
> Glenn
> ridiculously low rates.
>
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> I am very glad to have taken over Corky's project. However, I can't be a substitute
for his knowledge, experience, and wry comments. We still very much need his active
membership on this board. Who else has built two Piets, rebuilt an A-65, and flown
many taildraggers in combat? Who else can cook crawdads while leading and playing
in a German "Oompah" band? He does it all. No kidding.
>
> Meeting and socializing with Corky and his lovely wife Isabel were highlights
of my trip to Shreveport. He is every much either as salty or gentlemanly in real
life as in his posts. He is lucky to have such a sweet, gracious, and supportive
partner, and he knows it.
>
> As before, I will rely on Corky and the many others of you who have been this
road before to help me finish this project. Your guidance up to now has been stellar.
I have met, had extensive phone conversations, and detailed emails off-board with
many of you. Now having NX311CC in hand, my questions will be more advanced and
granular. But I'll still be a newbie to building and flying, so please continue
your patience and support.
>
> Thanks to Corky and you all.
>
> Tim
strategyguy536@yahoo.com
timothywillis@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Wood trailing edge attachment |
Could anyone give me advice on the best way to attach a wood training edge?
I have seen the "inside triangle block technique" at Broadhead (see
pictures), and have done the "1/16" diamond shaped ply on top and bottom",
and some people in the archives have mentioned that they had problems after
a number of years with rectangular 1/2" wide 1/16" ply strips attached top
and bottom.
Thanks
Rick H.
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Wood trailing edge attachment |
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| Subject: | Re: Wood trailing edge attachment |
Jim,
I did mine exactly the way you did it. (only used different tools) with
good results
Rick,
Seems to me the triangle blocks amount to lots of weight. If I decided
on the blocks, I would only make them about 3/8 to1/2" long on the right
angle sides at most.
Still best to build to the plans,,,I think.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Well, I don't know about "best" way but here's a nice simple way:
Cut grooves in the TE of the rib (I used a biscuit jointer) and leave
a tongue in the "front" part of the TE that will go into that grooves.
You could even use a biscuit jointer on both and insert a biscuit.
I left a tongue on the "front" of the TE material and used a laminate
trimmer bit to remove the extra after I epoxied the TE material into the
groove at the back end of the ribs...
Not sure how clear this is but if the attached picture leaves you with
more questions or wanting more clarity, send me a note offline.
Jim in Plano......
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Apr 30, 2006 11:23 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Could anyone give me advice on the best way to attach a wood
training edge? I have seen the "inside triangle block technique" at
Broadhead (see pictures), and have done the "1/16" diamond shaped ply on
top and bottom", and some people in the archives have mentioned that
they had problems after a number of years with rectangular 1/2" wide
1/16" ply strips attached top and bottom.
Thanks
Rick H.
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Wood trailing edge attachment |
Usually true, but the plans show two methods and don't show the shape of th=
e
1/16" ply pieces if you go that route.
>
> Still best to build to the plans,,,I think.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
>
> Well, I don't know about "best" way but here's a nice simple way:
>
> Cut grooves in the TE of the rib (I used a biscuit jointer) and leave a
> tongue in the "front" part of the TE that will go into that grooves. You
> could even use a biscuit jointer on both and insert a biscuit.
>
> I left a tongue on the "front" of the TE material and used a laminate
> trimmer bit to remove the extra after I epoxied the TE material into the
> groove at the back end of the ribs...
>
> Not sure how clear this is but if the attached picture leaves you with
> more questions or wanting more clarity, send me a note offline.
>
> Jim in Plano......
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Holland
> Sent: Apr 30, 2006 11:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
>
> Could anyone give me advice on the best way to attach a wood training
> edge? I have seen the "inside triangle block technique" at Broadhead (see
> pictures), and have done the "1/16" diamond shaped ply on top and bottom"=
,
> and some people in the archives have mentioned that they had problems aft=
er
> a number of years with rectangular 1/2" wide 1/16" ply strips attached to=
p
> and bottom.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick H.
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Ford Model B with chevy Head |
Hi Leon
Please find attached two pictures of the motor.
Best regards
Steve Glass
>From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Model B with chevy Head
>Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:38:27 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
>
>Hi Everybody
>
>I was down at the local hardware store in Ontario Oregon and the local
>antique motor club had a display of old motors running.
>
>One was a ford model B with a 41 chevy head mounted via an aluminium
>adapter plate about 1" thick.
>
>The man claimed about 100 HP with twin stomberg 93 carbs and about 7:1
>compression ratio. There was also an adapter to convert the chevy head
>back to the "late" model 1934 V8 waterpump. He was going to put it a car.
>
>I took some pictures of each side and could post them if anybody would like
>to see them.
>
>You just never know what you will see each day.
>
>Best regards
>Steve G
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Ford Model B with chevy Head |
Hi Leon
Please find attached two pictures of the motor.
Best regards
Steve Glass
>From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Model B with chevy Head
>Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:38:27 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
>
>Hi Everybody
>
>I was down at the local hardware store in Ontario Oregon and the local
>antique motor club had a display of old motors running.
>
>One was a ford model B with a 41 chevy head mounted via an aluminium
>adapter plate about 1" thick.
>
>The man claimed about 100 HP with twin stomberg 93 carbs and about 7:1
>compression ratio. There was also an adapter to convert the chevy head
>back to the "late" model 1934 V8 waterpump. He was going to put it a car.
>
>I took some pictures of each side and could post them if anybody would like
>to see them.
>
>You just never know what you will see each day.
>
>Best regards
>Steve G
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wood trailing edge attachment |
Rick,
>From memory, I think they are the width of the cap strip and long enough
to span the joint. Then if you do,,,and use three ply 1/16' ply, be
sure to cut it with the top and bottom grain going across the joint.
I was /am very fortunite to have a mentor who would give great advice
from just being there. He never met Bernard but had spoken to him on the
phone. He's the one who told me that the old certified Aeroncas and
Taylorcrafts gussets on the wing ribs were made of paperboard.
And the Pietenpol articles explain how the leading edge ply was made out
of Quacker Oatmeal boxes.
Go figure.
Ain't Life Grand!!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Usually true, but the plans show two methods and don't show the shape
of the 1/16" ply pieces if you go that route.
Still best to build to the plans,,,I think.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Well, I don't know about "best" way but here's a nice simple way:
Cut grooves in the TE of the rib (I used a biscuit jointer) and
leave a tongue in the "front" part of the TE that will go into that
grooves. You could even use a biscuit jointer on both and insert a
biscuit.
I left a tongue on the "front" of the TE material and used a
laminate trimmer bit to remove the extra after I epoxied the TE material
into the groove at the back end of the ribs...
Not sure how clear this is but if the attached picture leaves you
with more questions or wanting more clarity, send me a note offline.
Jim in Plano......
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Apr 30, 2006 11:23 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Could anyone give me advice on the best way to attach a wood
training edge? I have seen the "inside triangle block technique" at
Broadhead (see pictures), and have done the "1/16" diamond shaped ply on
top and bottom", and some people in the archives have mentioned that
they had problems after a number of years with rectangular 1/2" wide
1/16" ply strips attached top and bottom.
Thanks
Rick H.
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: what holds up a project |
I am now all black and blue from bruises down the front of my torso from
putting on the safety wire for the tail control,rudder controls and the
airleron controls turn buckles.I havn't been this beat up since my first
night of marriage,how exciting it is!There isn't much that can take the
place of hanging upside down inside the fusalage of an aircraft while
trying to get the twister plyers to close with one hand which will only
close with two hands and all the fat and blubber on my body trying to
force my head through the seat and down into the fusy never to be seen
again.Man this is fun!I hope I don't have to do that again for a while.
harvey rule wrote:
> I'll send pictures!
>
>
> do not archive
>
> KMHeide wrote:
>
>> Harvey, In North Dakota we have been through the high waters and it
>> has not been easy.....so in passing hell, check things out and get
>> back to me. Might want that better than water...... Ken
>>
>> harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
>>
>> I am so close to finishing ;it's driving me
>> crazy.Everytime I turn
>> around these two AME's I got lookin after me find
>> something else wrong
>> and I have to change something or fix something.I know
>> they are lookin
>> out for me and it's all for the best but like I've said
>> before,I'm no
>> builder and it's drivin me nuts!Soon to fly come hell or
>> high water!
>>
>>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of Glenn
>> Thomas
>> Sent: April 28, 2006 3:00 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what holds up a project
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas"
>>
>> I hear that! I basically work on the project on weekends.
>> To justify a
>> solid day of the weekend on the Piet, I feel an obligation
>> to be a
>> husband the other day. (1 day a week!!!) Son is now in
>> college so no
>> hockey/lacrosse to cause further time away from project. I
>> have learned
>> to tuck Piet time into free hour blocks that are not
>> consumed by other
>> things. Early mornings (no power tools) and late evenings
>> are good
>> quality Piet time. You will see shop lights on well into
>> the morning
>> hours if I'm on a roll. Time mgmt is a bigger part of this
>> than I
>> previously thought.
>>
>> --------
>> Glenn
>> ridiculously low rates.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Wood trailing edge attachment |
Jim Take a look at www.stantonairfield.com
This is the airport that we own I serve as a director.
I wish we could have visited it when you were here.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: 4/30/2006 12:58:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Well, I don't know about "best" way but here's a nice simple way:
Cut grooves in the TE of the rib (I used a biscuit jointer) and leave a tongue
in the "front" part of the TE that will go into that grooves. You could even
use a biscuit jointer on both and insert a biscuit.
I left a tongue on the "front" of the TE material and used a laminate trimmer bit
to remove the extra after I epoxied the TE material into the groove at the
back end of the ribs...
Not sure how clear this is but if the attached picture leaves you with more questions
or wanting more clarity, send me a note offline.
Jim in Plano......
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Apr 30, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood trailing edge attachment
Could anyone give me advice on the best way to attach a wood training edge? I have
seen the "inside triangle block technique" at Broadhead (see pictures), and
have done the "1/16" diamond shaped ply on top and bottom", and some people
in the archives have mentioned that they had problems after a number of years
with rectangular 1/2" wide 1/16" ply strips attached top and bottom.
Thanks
Rick H.
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Wing tip brace question |
Concerning the 1/2" x 1/2" spruce braces shown on the wing plans that exten=
d
from the wing tip diagonally to the front and rear spars, are there one of
each, (three total) or two of each (six total - wing tip to the top of the
spar and another below it to the bottom of the spar?).
Also same question about Kaplers three piece wing plans showing 1/2" x 1/2"
spruce rib end braces going between the first two ribs. Is there one of eac=
h
of these or a top and bottom for each?
Thank you
Rick H
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: covering of root rib |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Douwe...
I didn't cover my root ribs of my center section. For some strange reason I did
cover the roots of the wing panels... then wound up cutting a lot of it away
for cables, inspection, etc. Can't see any real reason to cover them. Like
you say the root fairings cover anyway.
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31936#31936
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| Subject: | Re: Wood trailing edge attachment |
I used 1/16" Plywood Plates, 1/2" wide X about 2" long, the way it shows in
the plans, then feathered each end down so it didn't leave a bump. With the
fabric on, you have to look pretty close to see the plywood strips. After
pre-fitting everything, I used rubber bunji chords to hold the trailing edge in
place while the adhesive cured at the butt end of the ribs, and the plywood
strips. I used T88 epoxy throughout the airframe. No problems anywhere with the
adhesive, after almost 280 hrs flight time.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tip brace question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Rick,
If I remember correctly, I did one set at the tip and one top and one bottom at
the root of wings and center section. Helps to keep the fabric from pulling
in at the root.
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31940#31940
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tip brace question |
In a message dated 4/30/2006 9:35:03 PM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Concerning the 1/2" x 1/2" spruce braces shown on the wing plans that extend=
from the wing tip diagonally to the front and rear spars, are there one of
each, (three total) or two of each (six total - wing tip to the top of the s=
par
and another below it to the bottom of the spar?).
On my one piece wing, I used one of each, for a total of three, at each wing=
tip. I didn't like the 45=BA butt joints. My buddy, Doug Bryant, had one o=
f
the ends at the spar break loose one time on his plane, so I added a Hard Ba=
lsa
corner blocks at the ends. The balsa was cross cut to expose the capilary
portion of the wood to the glue.
You can see how I did this, about half way down this page:
http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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