Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 05/01/06


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: what holds up a project (harvey rule)
     2. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: what holds up a project (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     3. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: what holds up a project (harvey rule)
     4. 07:21 AM - Corvair Engine Cases (Egan, John)
     5. 07:36 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Cases (James Dallas)
     6. 08:22 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Cases (Hans Vander Voort)
     7. 09:12 AM - Re: Wing tip brace question (Rick Holland)
     8. 02:21 PM - Re: Wing tip brace question (Graham Hansen)
     9. 03:23 PM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    10. 03:48 PM - Re: Wing tip brace question (Rick Holland)
    11. 05:55 PM - Re: Wing tip brace question (Graham Hansen)
    12. 06:21 PM - Re: (no subject) (Carl Vought)
    13. 07:49 PM - Tailskid Tailwheel (Don Emch)
    14. 07:54 PM - Turnbuckles - what holds up a project (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    15. 08:04 PM - Re: Tailskid Tailwheel (Don Emch)
    16. 08:23 PM - Re: Tailskid Tailwheel (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    17. 11:32 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    18. 11:32 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:00:12 AM PST US
    From: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Re: what holds up a project
    Actually if I had built this plane from scratch I would have put the turnbuckles at the other end where they would be outside the fusy and easier to get at.Any comments on this? harvey rule wrote: > I am now all black and blue from bruises down the front of my torso > from putting on the safety wire for the tail control,rudder controls > and the airleron controls turn buckles.I havn't been this beat up > since my first night of marriage,how exciting it is!There isn't much > that can take the place of hanging upside down inside the fusalage of > an aircraft while trying to get the twister plyers to close with one > hand which will only close with two hands and all the fat and blubber > on my body trying to force my head through the seat and down into the > fusy never to be seen again.Man this is fun!I hope I don't have to do > that again for a while. > > harvey rule wrote: > >> I'll send pictures! >> >> >> >> do not archive >> >> KMHeide wrote: >> >> > Harvey, In North Dakota we have been through the high waters and it >> > has not been easy.....so in passing hell, check things out and get >> > back to me. Might want that better than water...... Ken >> > >> > harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: >> > >> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: >> > >> > I am so close to finishing ;it's driving me >> > crazy.Everytime I turn >> > around these two AME's I got lookin after me find >> > something else wrong >> > and I have to change something or fix something.I know >> > they are lookin >> > out for me and it's all for the best but like I've said >> > before,I'm no >> > builder and it's drivin me nuts!Soon to fly come hell or >> > high water! >> > >> > >> > >> > Do not archive >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On >> > Behalf Of Glenn >> > Thomas >> > Sent: April 28, 2006 3:00 PM >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what holds up a project >> > >> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" >> > >> > I hear that! I basically work on the project on weekends. >> > To justify a >> > solid day of the weekend on the Piet, I feel an >> > obligation to be a >> > husband the other day. (1 day a week!!!) Son is now in >> > college so no >> > hockey/lacrosse to cause further time away from project. >> > I have learned >> > to tuck Piet time into free hour blocks that are not >> > consumed by other >> > things. Early mornings (no power tools) and late evenings >> > are good >> > quality Piet time. You will see shop lights on well into >> > the morning >> > hours if I'm on a roll. Time mgmt is a bigger part of >> > this than I >> > previously thought. >> > >> > -------- >> > Glenn >> > ridiculously low rates. >> >


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    Time: 05:33:36 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: what holds up a project
    To avoid the stretching etc I had planned to fab a short section of cable w/ thimbles etc from the column horns about 1 ft long then attach the turnbuckles. They would be within a comfortable reach for adjustments and safetying. As I say, I HAD planned.


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    Time: 06:02:16 AM PST US
    From: harvey rule <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Re: what holds up a project
    I was wondering what would be wrong ,if anything ,about putting the turnbuckle at the other end where it connects to the control surface.It would be outside the aircraft and probably not look as good but geeze it would make life a lot simpler and you could inspect it a lot easier as well.Now all my connections for the elevator are inside and behind the seat and chances of a lock wire breaking and me seeing it are reduced considerably.As far as drag is concerned,I hardly think it would make that much difference. Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > To avoid the stretching etc I had planned to fab a short section of > cable w/ thimbles etc from the column horns about 1 ft long then > attach the turnbuckles. They would be within a comfortable reach for > adjustments and safetying. As I say, I HAD planned.


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    Time: 07:21:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Corvair Engine Cases
    From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com>
    Hi, I have a question regarding Corvair engine cases. I have two stock engines. I have a "RH" at 110 hp and a "RG" at 95 hp engine. Do you guys know if the cases are the same=3F Do the heads distinguish the horse power or is the case also a factor=3F The reason I'm asking is that I would like to use the best of the two cases if they are the same. I realize I need to use the heads from the "RH" engine if I want the desired 110 hp. I have the conversion manual and I don't find specific information on this subject in it. This is planned to go in my Piet project, so I thought some of you guys may know the answer to this. Thank you for other recent help too. John This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contai= n= privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you.


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    Time: 07:36:55 AM PST US
    From: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
    Subject: Corvair Engine Cases
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com> The cases are the same as long as they are both 164 cu in Jim Dallas >From: "Egan, John" <jegan@kcc.com> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Cases >Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:19:21 -0500 > >Hi, > > >I have a question regarding Corvair engine cases. I have two stock >engines. I have a "RH" at 110 hp and a "RG" at 95 hp engine. Do you >guys know if the cases are the same? Do the heads distinguish the horse >power or is the case also a factor? The reason I'm asking is that I >would like to use the best of the two cases if they are the same. I >realize I need to use the heads from the "RH" engine if I want the >desired 110 hp. I have the conversion manual and I don't find specific >information on this subject in it. This is planned to go in my Piet >project, so I thought some of you guys may know the answer to this. > > >Thank you for other recent help too. > > >John > > >This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may >contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt >from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, >please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and >destroy any printed copy. Thank you. >


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    Time: 08:22:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Cases
    From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> John, Both are '65 cases and the same, the camshaft and head make the HP difference. Cases prior to '65 are slightly different Hans


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    Time: 09:12:55 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing tip brace question
    Thanks Chuck, I agree that just gluing the end of a 1/2 x 1/2 to the side o= f the spar seems a bit weak. I will add a corner block to butt the brace to. Rick On 4/30/06, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 4/30/2006 9:35:03 PM Central Standard Time, > at7000ft@gmail.com writes: > > Concerning the 1/2" x 1/2" spruce braces shown on the wing plans that > extend from the wing tip diagonally to the front and rear spars, are ther= e > one of each, (three total) or two of each (six total - wing tip to the to= p > of the spar and another below it to the bottom of the spar?). > > On my one piece wing, I used one of each, for a total of three, at each > wing tip. I didn't like the 45=BA butt joints. My buddy, Doug Bryant, h= ad > one of the ends at the spar break loose one time on his plane, so I added= a > Hard Balsa corner blocks at the ends. The balsa was cross cut to expose the > capilary portion of the wood to the glue. > You can see how I did this, about half way down this page: > http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 02:21:13 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing tip brace question
    Use a horseshoe-shaped piece of 1/4" plywood glued to the spar face and position the end of the 1/2" x 1/2" brace in the 1/2" x 1/2" opening of the "horseshoe". This setup captures the brace and the relatively-large glued surface against the spar face provides lots of shear strength. It has worked fine on my Pietenpol for nearly 36 years. A simple butt joint will not work, against the spar face or against the inside of the tip bow, where extra glued area will be needed to hold the brace in position against fabric tension. Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN


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    Time: 03:23:29 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: (no subject)
    Pieters Would the Pieter who was talking with me last week about Judge Leon LeSueur who lived in Napoleonville please contact me ASAP Corky Do Not Archive


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    Time: 03:48:09 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing tip brace question
    Good idea Graham, thank you, would the ply horseshoe idea also apply to the 3/4" x 3/4" compression struts between the spars? Rick H. On 5/1/06, Graham Hansen <grhans@cable-lynx.net> wrote: > > Use a horseshoe-shaped piece of 1/4" plywood glued to the spar face and > position the end of the 1/2" x 1/2" brace in the 1/2" x 1/2" opening of t= he > "horseshoe". > > This setup captures the brace and the relatively-large glued surface > against the spar face provides lots of shear strength. It has worked fine= on > my Pietenpol for nearly 36 years. > > A simple butt joint will not work, against the spar face or against the > inside of the tip bow, where extra glued area will be needed to hold the > brace in position against fabric tension. > > Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 05:55:16 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing tip brace question
    Rick H., I didn't use the "horseshoe" plates on the 3/4"x 3/4" compression struts on my Pietenpol, but they could be employed there to help hold the struts in position. I used the triangular (sort of) gussets as shown in the plans and they seem to be satisfactory for this purpose. If you wish, I can send you (off list) a photo showing my Pietenpol under construction with a view of the compression struts, etc. It is a black and white photo and was taken, in 1969, by a friend who was the co-builder of a Pietenpol in 1931 (when he was only 16 and the other guy was just 17!). Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN


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    Time: 06:21:00 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
    Subject: Re: (no subject)
    I'm guilty.....Carl Vought ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters Would the Pieter who was talking with me last week about Judge Leon LeSueur who lived in Napoleonville please contact me ASAP Corky Do Not Archive


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    Time: 07:49:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Tailskid Tailwheel
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Hi Guys... This is my tailwheel that Chris was asking about. I thought I'd post a picture. It is basically just a wheel added to the plans skid. The wheel is a 4" unit from Wick's. The fork is welded up and has a vertical steel tube bushing into which an AN8 bolt is pressed (1/2" bolt). This is the vertical shaft of the fork. A welded up 'T' tops it off which is connected to the rudder cables. An AN3 bolt goes through the AN8 bolt in the fork and in the 'T' to lock everything together. The shaft of the fork fits into a bushed tube that is weled to the A-frame. Plates are welded top and bottom of that. The spring is from a fork tube from the front of a wrecked motorcycle. $2.00 from the local junkyard. It started out about 2' long and had to be cut down. The cables connect to the rudder cables under the seat with #10 electrical wire connectors. The tubes tend to want to twist when turning left or right so I plan to help that by welding a cross piece near where the tubes meet the fuselage. It probably isn't the best idea out there, but seems to be working for now and is fairly light in weight. Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32199#32199 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0381_111.jpg


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    Time: 07:54:43 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Turnbuckles - what holds up a project
    In a message dated 5/1/2006 6:01:52 AM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule@bell.ca writes: Actually if I had built this plane from scratch I would have put the turnbuckles at the other end where they would be outside the fusy and easier to get at.Any comments on this? I have two turnbuckles on the rudder horn, and four turnbuckles at the Flipper horns. Like you said, easy to get to, adjust, and inspect. Eventually, I'm going to change out the rudder cables, and instead of turnbuckles, I'm going to use two straps made from .060" 4130, which will be about 7/16" X 1 1/2"...similar to motorcycle master links. I have a local shop that will shear 4130 for me. I can make a dozen of these things for the price of a single turnbuckle, and vary the length between the holes of each pair by a few thousandths of an inch, then find the ones that take the slack out of the cables. List the length on the part, and keep the rest for future adjustment requirements. I'll use #10 AN bolts, with locking castle nuts. I'll place them at the rudder bar, instead of back at the horn, to save a little weight on the tail. I haven't used this method yet, but I don't see any reason why they couldn't replace all the turnbuckles in the control system, because None of the control surface cables on the Pietenpol should be tight...just take the slack out, and that's it. Before doing this, It would be interesting to compare the tensile strength of these straps, with that of a turnbuckle. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 08:04:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tailskid Tailwheel
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Here is another shot. After looking at the picture I realize I see Frank Pavliga's Piet in the background. He has the original tailskid. Those tail skid guys are a special breed! About 23 years and who knows how many hours on that thing! Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32207#32207 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0380_596.jpg


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    Time: 08:23:48 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Tailskid Tailwheel
    In a message dated 5/1/2006 9:50:12 PM Central Standard Time, EmchAir@aol.com writes: Hi Guys... This is my tailwheel that Chris was asking about. I thought I'd post a picture. It is basically just a wheel added to the plans skid. The wheel is a 4" unit from Wick's. The fork is welded up and has a vertical steel tube bushing into which an AN8 bolt is pressed (1/2" bolt). This is the vertical shaft of the fork. A welded up 'T' tops it off which is connected to the rudder cables. An AN3 bolt goes through the AN8 bolt in the fork and in the 'T' to lock everything together. The shaft of the fork fits into a bushed tube that is weled to the A-frame. Plates are welded top and bottom of that. The spring is from a fork tube from the front of a wrecked motorcycle. $2.00 from the local junkyard. It started out about 2' long and had to be cut down. The cables connect to the rudder cables under the seat with #10 electrical wire connectors. The tubes tend to want to twist when turning left or right so I plan to help that by welding a cross piece near where the tubes me! et the fuselage. It probably isn't the best idea out there, but seems to be working for now and is fairly light in weight. Don Emch I also added a tailwheel to the plans type tailskid, after about 35 hours of operation. When making changes, Nothing is free, everything is a tradeoff. In this area, the tradeoff is the deck angle (static laden) of the three point attitude. With the skid, the tail was lower, and I was able to do full stall landings much easier than now. With the wheel back there, the tail is higher, and at 3 point touchdown attitude she hasn't yet reached the 'Critical Angle of Attack', and the wing is not yet done flying, and a bounce sometimes occurs. This is the reason I located the tail wheel Behind the skid plate, as opposed to under it - to get the tail as low as possible. On the grass, 3 out of 4 landings are greasers when I touch tail first, but Every time I have tried full stall on the hard surface, she bounces, even when I touch tail first. For this reason, I have to wheel it on the hard surface, and put up with the long roll out. I much prefer full stall landings. Those few seconds during touchdown are the juiciest part of the flight for me !! Chuck G. NX770CG with little pieces of toilet paper hanging all over the plane !! he he he !!


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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. 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    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.]




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