---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/05/06: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:49 AM - Re: tailcone access (Rob Stapleton) 2. 04:05 AM - Re: tailcone access () 3. 05:25 AM - Re: The Canadians sure like the Pietenpol (Bill Church) 4. 05:58 AM - Re: The Canadians sure like the Pietenpol (Hans Vander Voort) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Rick Holland) 6. 08:29 AM - Re: Corvair Flyers (Brown Gravy) 7. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Hans Vander Voort) 8. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Hans Vander Voort) 9. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers () 10. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers () 11. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Rob Stapleton) 12. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers () 13. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Jim Ash) 14. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers () 15. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Rob Stapleton) 16. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Rob Stapleton) 17. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers () 18. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Rcaprd@aol.com) 19. 04:24 PM - Re: Re:Interesting trim...revisited. (D.Reid) 20. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Jeff Boatright) 21. 07:00 PM - sport aviation (Dick Navratil) 22. 07:10 PM - Re: Re:Interesting trim...revisited. (Dick Navratil) 23. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Flyers (Rick Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:15 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tailcone access --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Oscar, Please send photos, I don't want to stand on my head for this process or to tear a hole in the fabric, when I have some. Rob They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailcone access --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" There is one thing I'm ever so grateful to Corky for installing in 41CC- an access cover to allow access into the tailcone from underneath. Laying on a typical automotive creeper, with this cover removed I have full, complete, and ready access to the elevator bellcrank assembly and all the cables running aft of the pilot's seat. It even turns out to be the exactly correct distance for my bifocals to focus on the assembly without me having to move my head up and down to focus to adjust the turnbuckles and safety them ;o) I really don't see how you can do without this, other than fully assembling the bellcrank assembly and attaching control cables to it prior to covering the aft fuselage. The one Corky made for 41CC is just a flat piece of aluminum about 16" square, attached to the underside framing members with PK screws. Pictures on request. Gee, it never occurred to me that if this access cover hadn't been installed, getting back into the tailcone to re-rig the elevator control cables could leave me feeling like the morning after my wedding night like it did Harvey. I think I'd give the price of my last colonoscopy to feel like that again ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tailcone access From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: That sounds like a neat arrangement .I wonder if I can cut a hole now that the fusy is completed.I will look into this the next time I go to the field. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton Sent: May 5, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tailcone access --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Oscar, Please send photos, I don't want to stand on my head for this process or to tear a hole in the fabric, when I have some. Rob They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailcone access --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" There is one thing I'm ever so grateful to Corky for installing in 41CC- an access cover to allow access into the tailcone from underneath. Laying on a typical automotive creeper, with this cover removed I have full, complete, and ready access to the elevator bellcrank assembly and all the cables running aft of the pilot's seat. It even turns out to be the exactly correct distance for my bifocals to focus on the assembly without me having to move my head up and down to focus to adjust the turnbuckles and safety them ;o) I really don't see how you can do without this, other than fully assembling the bellcrank assembly and attaching control cables to it prior to covering the aft fuselage. The one Corky made for 41CC is just a flat piece of aluminum about 16" square, attached to the underside framing members with PK screws. Pictures on request. Gee, it never occurred to me that if this access cover hadn't been installed, getting back into the tailcone to re-rig the elevator control cables could leave me feeling like the morning after my wedding night like it did Harvey. I think I'd give the price of my last colonoscopy to feel like that again ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Canadians sure like the Pietenpol From: "Bill Church" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Well, THIS Canadian sure likes the Pietenpol. Here's a link to the official list of aircraft registered as Pietenpols in Canada. Just type Pietenpol in the box labelled "Common Aircraft Name" and click "Search". http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/en/current_e.asp#quick?x _lang=e Here's another interesting site, that lists aircraft registered in the UK. What's really nice about this one is that it has photos for many of the planes, and lists which ones have photos. http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?categoryid=60&pagetype=65&applicat ionid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=pietenpol Bill C -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Naiva Sent: May 5, 2006 12:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Canadians sure like the Pietenpol --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Matt Naiva" --> I found an interesting link showing quite a few Pietenpols registered in Canada. Matt http://www.airport-data.com/manuf/Pietenpol.html ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Canadians sure like the Pietenpol From: Hans Vander Voort --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort I did a search at www.Landings.com US registry Manufactures name: Pietenpol 30 returns (US home builders list their name as manufacturer to qualify for FAA repairman certificate) Model name: Air Camper 91 returns Model name: Aircamper 237 returns Model name: Pietenpol 380 returns Canadian registry: Manufactures name: Pietenpol 57 returns Model name: Aircamper 32 returns Model name: Air camper 6 return Pretty impressive for a scratch build airplane. Just to compare: I did another search on RV6 returned 588 entries And another on Kitfox (most build KIT plane ?) returned 1381 entries Hans "Matt Naiva" To Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: The Canadians sure like the Pietenpol 05/04/2006 10:52 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Matt Naiva" I found an interesting link showing quite a few Pietenpols registered in Canada. Matt http://www.airport-data.com/manuf/Pietenpol.html ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:11 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers Sounds like you have a chapter full of composite and RV bigots. Can't trust your life to that 1930s technology, except Champs and Cubs or Lycoming and Continental engines of course. do not archive On 5/4/06, Glenn Thomas wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" < > glennthomas@flyingwood.com> > > Got the same type of response from the ABDAR and various folks in my EAA > chapter. He didn't say he wouldn't do the maiden or assist in his capaci= ty > as Tech Counselor but I also got a lot of "encouragement" to abandon the > Corvair idea. In fact I was encouraged to abandon the idea of building a > Pietenpol which is said is a "dangerous" plane. I think he is just looki= ng > out for me since the Piet seems to require a little more skill than the > average plane, and although I'm building the plane, I am not a pilot. I'= ll > be interested in seeing the responses. > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D32727#32727 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: "Brown Gravy" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" Dangerous? Why? How? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32989#32989 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: Hans Vander Voort --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort Isn't that the case most of the time. When you tell fellow aviators that you are building a Pietenpol most comments are more or less like this: Nice old plane but why not build some thing newer and more efficient, a kit plane gets you in the air quicker too. When you tell people you are using a Corvair as powerplant they say: What !, I wonder what Ralph Nader would say about that, why not use something more appropriate like a Rotax or a Continental. You will hear these comments until the day you are buzzing the field, out climbing Champs, Cubs and Kitfoxes. And sounding a lot better too. The comments stop. Now I get comments like, we hear a C 180 (six cylinder) coming when we look it is you in the Piet having more fun than should be legal. (wait till I add smoke) Keep on building you will have the last laugh. Hans "Rick Holland" To Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers 05/05/2006 09:47 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Sounds like you have a chapter full of composite and RV bigots. Can't trust your life to that 1930s technology, except Champs and Cubs or Lycoming and Continental engines of course. do not archive On 5/4/06, Glenn Thomas wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" < glennthomas@flyingwood.com> Got the same type of response from the ABDAR and various folks in my EAA chapter. He didn't say he wouldn't do the maiden or assist in his capacity as Tech Counselor but I also got a lot of "encouragement" to abandon the Corvair idea. In fact I was encouraged to abandon the idea of building a Pietenpol which is said is a "dangerous" plane. I think he is just looking out for me since the Piet seems to require a little more skill than the average plane, and although I'm building the plane, I am not a pilot. I'll be interested in seeing the responses. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32727#32727 ================================================== out the All New Matronics Email List Wiki! ========================= - List Contrib &nb-> http://www.matronic============================================= -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: Hans Vander Voort --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort Manny, All airplanes are and flying is dangerous, everything that goes up must come down, controlled or uncontrolled. The uncontrolled is the dangerous part. Although according to NTSB most accidents are caused by the pilot. (they always seem to be unable to keep clearance from terrain) If properly build, the Pietenpol Air Camper is no more dangerous than a Champ or Cub It is just another Taildragger and not that difficult to fly. Hans "Brown Gravy" To Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers 05/05/2006 10:28 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" Dangerous? Why? How? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32989#32989 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As one of the Wright brothers said(can't remember which one)"If you want to be safe,sit on the fence and watch the birds fly by!"For cryin out loud.What is safe.Chances are you'll get killed going home from work in a car before you ever die in a plane crash! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brown Gravy Sent: May 5, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" Dangerous? Why? How? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32989#32989 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As an ultralight pilot ,I get this thing all the time.I wouldn't fly in that.Geeeeeze are you crazy man.Your going to kill yourself.Well I've been flyin since 1983 and I ain't dead yet and I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I know many people who say they would like to do this and that and they still ain't done it and they are still just as miserable as they were yesterday and they are going to be miserable tomorrow as well until they try something that gets your blood movin at least a little faster than sex.If I die tomorrow in a plane I've been building then let them write on my tomb stone"he did what he wanted to do and had a fantastic time doin it"!Remember this ;you are only someones memory and when they are gone ,so are you.I want my great great great grandkids to say"hey that old guy used to FLY." And FLY I DO!AND FLY I WILL IN MY PIETENPOL! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rule, Harvey G (N092740) Sent: May 5, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As one of the Wright brothers said(can't remember which one)"If you want to be safe,sit on the fence and watch the birds fly by!"For cryin out loud.What is safe.Chances are you'll get killed going home from work in a car before you ever die in a plane crash! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brown Gravy Sent: May 5, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" Dangerous? Why? How? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32989#32989 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:46 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Iye, Iye! I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your doubts. Rob Birchwood, Alaska They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As an ultralight pilot ,I get this thing all the time.I wouldn't fly in that.Geeeeeze are you crazy man.Your going to kill yourself.Well I've been flyin since 1983 and I ain't dead yet and I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I know many people who say they would like to do this and that and they still ain't done it and they are still just as miserable as they were yesterday and they are going to be miserable tomorrow as well until they try something that gets your blood movin at least a little faster than sex.If I die tomorrow in a plane I've been building then let them write on my tomb stone"he did what he wanted to do and had a fantastic time doin it"!Remember this ;you are only someones memory and when they are gone ,so are you.I want my great great great grandkids to say"hey that old guy used to FLY." And FLY I DO!AND FLY I WILL IN MY PIETENPOL! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rule, Harvey G (N092740) Sent: May 5, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As one of the Wright brothers said(can't remember which one)"If you want to be safe,sit on the fence and watch the birds fly by!"For cryin out loud.What is safe.Chances are you'll get killed going home from work in a car before you ever die in a plane crash! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brown Gravy Sent: May 5, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" Dangerous? Why? How? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32989#32989 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:02 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: AMEN;soaring with Eagles YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton Sent: May 5, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Iye, Iye! I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your doubts. Rob Birchwood, Alaska They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As an ultralight pilot ,I get this thing all the time.I wouldn't fly in that.Geeeeeze are you crazy man.Your going to kill yourself.Well I've been flyin since 1983 and I ain't dead yet and I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I know many people who say they would like to do this and that and they still ain't done it and they are still just as miserable as they were yesterday and they are going to be miserable tomorrow as well until they try something that gets your blood movin at least a little faster than sex.If I die tomorrow in a plane I've been building then let them write on my tomb stone"he did what he wanted to do and had a fantastic time doin it"!Remember this ;you are only someones memory and when they are gone ,so are you.I want my great great great grandkids to say"hey that old guy used to FLY." And FLY I DO!AND FLY I WILL IN MY PIETENPOL! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rule, Harvey G (N092740) Sent: May 5, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: As one of the Wright brothers said(can't remember which one)"If you want to be safe,sit on the fence and watch the birds fly by!"For cryin out loud.What is safe.Chances are you'll get killed going home from work in a car before you ever die in a plane crash! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brown Gravy Sent: May 5, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" Dangerous? Why? How? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32989#32989 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:57 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I've thermalled standard-type gliders with eagles and other birds of prey. I'm a little surprised they tolerated the noise you were making. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Stapleton >Sent: May 5, 2006 12:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" > >Iye, Iye! >I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a >snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in >the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. >Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and >found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there >isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big >heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. >No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your >doubts. >Rob >Birchwood, Alaska > >They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > >... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: When I flew with the eagles it was in a Lazair with two 9 1/2 hp engines.You can cut them back to the point where they don't make much noise and besides the only time the eagles get upset is when your after the same thing they are.As soon as they realize your just up there to more or less get in their way,they just keep on doin what they do.if you try to chase em then they just dive for the ground and out fly you,then they are back up in a minute behind you where you can't see em.Tricky critters! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: May 5, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I've thermalled standard-type gliders with eagles and other birds of prey. I'm a little surprised they tolerated the noise you were making. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Stapleton >Sent: May 5, 2006 12:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" > >Iye, Iye! >I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a >snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in >the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. >Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and >found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there >isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big >heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. >No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your >doubts. >Rob >Birchwood, Alaska > >They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > >... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:16 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Noise? What Noise? I had the engine shut off. But I have many times thermalled with eagles with the engine on. I am using an intake silencer, dual muffler, and a three bladed AERO prop with flared tips to cut down noise. Thermalling with two people I set the throttle to a flat cruise, hit a thermal and turn to stay in it. Once I have 5,000 feet and I am flying away from a ridge or over the face of a peak, I shut down and glide back to PABV. What is a Pietenpol like as far as gliding is concerned, throttled back, not engine out? Rob They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I've thermalled standard-type gliders with eagles and other birds of prey. I'm a little surprised they tolerated the noise you were making. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Stapleton >Sent: May 5, 2006 12:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" > >Iye, Iye! >I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a >snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in >the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. >Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and >found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there >isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big >heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. >No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your >doubts. >Rob >Birchwood, Alaska > >They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > >... ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:44 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Exactly! They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: When I flew with the eagles it was in a Lazair with two 9 1/2 hp engines.You can cut them back to the point where they don't make much noise and besides the only time the eagles get upset is when your after the same thing they are.As soon as they realize your just up there to more or less get in their way,they just keep on doin what they do.if you try to chase em then they just dive for the ground and out fly you,then they are back up in a minute behind you where you can't see em.Tricky critters! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: May 5, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I've thermalled standard-type gliders with eagles and other birds of prey. I'm a little surprised they tolerated the noise you were making. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Stapleton >Sent: May 5, 2006 12:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" > >Iye, Iye! >I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a >snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in >the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. >Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and >found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there >isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big >heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. >No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your >doubts. >Rob >Birchwood, Alaska > >They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > >... ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: I havn't flown my Piet yet but will soon.I don't think the gliding aspect will be very good .She has a lot of drag by the looks of it and the wing span compared to weight doesn't look like it would lend itself to gliding.I'm sure we will hear from a few of the boys who fly em regular though and they will let us know. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton Sent: May 5, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Noise? What Noise? I had the engine shut off. But I have many times thermalled with eagles with the engine on. I am using an intake silencer, dual muffler, and a three bladed AERO prop with flared tips to cut down noise. Thermalling with two people I set the throttle to a flat cruise, hit a thermal and turn to stay in it. Once I have 5,000 feet and I am flying away from a ridge or over the face of a peak, I shut down and glide back to PABV. What is a Pietenpol like as far as gliding is concerned, throttled back, not engine out? Rob They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I've thermalled standard-type gliders with eagles and other birds of prey. I'm a little surprised they tolerated the noise you were making. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Stapleton >Sent: May 5, 2006 12:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" > >Iye, Iye! >I too fly ultralights and get the same, how can you fly that thing with a >snowmachine engine???? Well I fly on skis in the winter, land on sandbars in >the summer, fly around 7,8,9,000 foot peaks and soar with the eagles. >Literally many time I turned into a thermal, looked over my shoulder and >found that I had company, a bald eagle. After flying with the eagles there >isn't much that is going to convince me that I need to quit, or to fly a big >heavy overly sophisticated Cessna. >No, give me fresh air, slow airspeeds and great memories any day, not your >doubts. >Rob >Birchwood, Alaska > >They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin > >... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:25 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers In a message dated 5/5/2006 12:32:15 PM Central Standard Time, foto@alaska.net writes: What is a Pietenpol like as far as gliding is concerned, throttled back, not engine out? Glides like a Brick !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:04 PM PST US From: "D.Reid" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Interesting trim...revisited. Hi Guy's, First time poster here. My name is Dave and I'm near jacksonville, Florida. I've been considering a Piet for quite sometime now mainly because I'm the "nostalgic" type and I want to *build* vs. "assemble" my own airplane...oh yeah...it's a two seater so I have the family's *blessing*. I intend to make some minor changes... nothing radical. I'm a pretty big boy. I'm just looking for a tad more room in the rear seat mainly...but I wont go into that at this time. I did however, Find the"Interesting trim" thread...well, interesting. I would like to throw an idea on the table for everyone's consideration and if you wish, comment. What would you think of dual trim tabs, one on each elevator half ? I'm refering to a very simple single "bowden cable" type arangement with seperate levers in the cockpit to control each trim tab. I'm wondering if in addition to longitudinal trim, a controlled "rolling moment" may be induced by the seperate trim tabs that might pickup a heavy wing or perhaps a out of rig rudder? Could the tab positions be noted and adjustments to the rigging (All axis's) be made to have a hands off airplane in cruise? Once the aircraft is rigged to its own "groove" would the tabs be just that much more efficient? Could the airplane be trimmed to fly hands off in all flight modes and airspeeds. I like a airplane that flies hands off once you have it setup. The airplanes seem to like it too :-) The less I *bother* them...the better they fly. Anyway...what do you think? Is this too far out in left field? Comments welcome Dave Down in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers In a message dated 5/5/2006 12:32:15 PM Central Standard Time, foto@alaska.net writes: What is a Pietenpol like as far as gliding is concerned, throttled back, not engine out? Glides like a Brick !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:10 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers True, but also very sensitive to thermals when built light. >In a message dated 5/5/2006 12:32:15 PM Central Standard Time, >foto@alaska.net writes: > >What is a Pietenpol like as far as gliding is concerned, throttled back, not >engine out? > >Glides like a Brick !! >Chuck G. >NX770CG -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Atlanta, GA 30322 Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision http://www.molvis.org/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:45 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: sport aviation I just opened my new issue of Sport Aviation May 06. Very nice pics of Greg Cardinal and Dale Johnsons Piet with a nicely done article by Greg. Nice one Dick N. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:31 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Interesting trim...revisited. Dave Others have probably made the changes you are thinking about. Get into the archive section of the list and type in some key words like (Cockpit door) (widen fuselage) (fuselage step) or whatever. It can give you a lot of answers before you know what all the questions are. I suspect that a bit of the discussion on trim recently was bouncing ideas, rather lightly, on trim. You might want trim if you are running a nose tank. However, I use a 13 gal wing tank with 4 gal reserve in the nose. I have absolutly no need for a trim tab. The Piet flys almost hands off at normal cruise. To climb, go to 2100 with the A-65. to cruise level hold 2000-2050. To decend reduce to 1900. It is a beautiful flying machine. Pure simplicity. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: D.Reid To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Interesting trim...revisited. Hi Guy's, First time poster here. My name is Dave and I'm near jacksonville, Florida. I've been considering a Piet for quite sometime now mainly because I'm the "nostalgic" type and I want to *build* vs. "assemble" my own airplane...oh yeah...it's a two seater so I have the family's *blessing*. I intend to make some minor changes... nothing radical. I'm a pretty big boy. I'm just looking for a tad more room in the rear seat mainly...but I wont go into that at this time. I did however, Find the"Interesting trim" thread...well, interesting. I would like to throw an idea on the table for everyone's consideration and if you wish, comment. What would you think of dual trim tabs, one on each elevator half ? I'm refering to a very simple single "bowden cable" type arangement with seperate levers in the cockpit to control each trim tab. I'm wondering if in addition to longitudinal trim, a controlled "rolling moment" may be induced by the seperate trim tabs that might pickup a heavy wing or perhaps a out of rig rudder? Could the tab positions be noted and adjustments to the rigging (All axis's) be made to have a hands off airplane in cruise? Once the aircraft is rigged to its own "groove" would the tabs be just that much more efficient? Could the airplane be trimmed to fly hands off in all flight modes and airspeeds. I like a airplane that flies hands off once you have it setup. The airplanes seem to like it too :-) The less I *bother* them...the better they fly. Anyway...what do you think? Is this too far out in left field? Comments welcome Dave Down in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers In a message dated 5/5/2006 12:32:15 PM Central Standard Time, foto@alaska.net writes: What is a Pietenpol like as far as gliding is concerned, throttled back, not engine out? Glides like a Brick !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:53 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers Harvey If flyin gets your heart beatin fast than sex maybe you should try Viagra. do not archive On 5/5/06, harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > As an ultralight pilot ,I get this thing all the time.I wouldn't fly in > that.Geeeeeze are you crazy man.Your going to kill yourself.Well I've > been flyin since 1983 and I ain't dead yet and I've had a hell of a lot > of fun and I know many people who say they would like to do this and > that and they still ain't done it and they are still just as miserable > as they were yesterday and they are going to be miserable tomorrow as > well until they try something that gets your blood movin at least a > little faster than sex.If I die tomorrow in a plane I've been building > then let them write on my tomb stone"he did what he wanted to do and had > a fantastic time doin it"!Remember this ;you are only someones memory > and when they are gone ,so are you.I want my great great great grandkids > to say"hey that old guy used to FLY." And FLY I DO!AND FLY I WILL IN MY > PIETENPOL! > > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rule, > Harvey G (N092740) > Sent: May 5, 2006 12:30 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > As one of the Wright brothers said(can't remember which one)"If you want > to be safe,sit on the fence and watch the birds fly by!"For cryin out > loud.What is safe.Chances are you'll get killed going home from work in > a car before you ever die in a plane crash! > > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brown > Gravy > Sent: May 5, 2006 11:28 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Flyers > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brown Gravy" > > > Dangerous? Why? How? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D32989#32989 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"