---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/10/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:10 AM - Piets in Jacksonville: was Re: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) (Ben Charvet) 2. 05:13 AM - Re: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification (Rick Holland) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) (Bill Church) 4. 05:30 AM - Re: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) (Jim Markle) 5. 06:44 AM - Corvair update (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 06:47 AM - Re: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification () 7. 08:48 AM - Re: I D (Mike King) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) (Carl Vought) 9. 10:13 AM - Re: Piets in Jacksonville: was Re: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) (Eric Williams) 10. 11:55 AM - Re: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... (walt evans) 11. 02:23 PM - Re: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... (Jack T. Textor) 12. 02:33 PM - Re: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification (Jim Ash) 13. 03:16 PM - Re: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... (walt evans) 14. 03:41 PM - Re: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... (Jack T. Textor) 15. 04:14 PM - Re: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... (walt evans) 16. 05:55 PM - Re: I D (Gene Beenenga) 17. 05:58 PM - Re: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification (Ben Charvet) 18. 07:39 PM - Re: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification (Mike Whaley) 19. 10:14 PM - Re: I D (Mike King) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:07 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Piets in Jacksonville: was Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet Dave, You need to track down a man named Pat Green. He has a Piet that he keeps in the Jacksonville area somewhere. He extended his wings for added lift, as he put it to get over the pine trees at the end of many Florida airports. Its powered by a Corvair with the BP conversion complete with blower fan and has been flying since the 70's. I can send you some pictures of his Piet directly if you are interested. I wish I remembered what airport. Ben ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:48 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification Corvairs have been flying since 1960. Thats 46 years. If an engine needed a longer track record than that to be considered safe for an experimental nobody would be using Rotax, Hirth, HKS, or Corvair engines, only the dinosaurs. Rick H. On 5/9/06, Jim Ash wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > I owe this list, and William Wynne specifically, an apology. The comments > I made in my email to this group on 4 May were misconstrued as an attack on > William and his work. This was not my intent, and for this misunderstandi= ng > I sincerely apologize. > > My intent was to impress the point that Corvair engines do not have a lon= g > and established history in aircraft, and that in using one in your own > airplane you absolutely need to understand everything about what you've d= one > with it, and why, in your specific set of circumstances. This also includ= es > understanding the risks involved in light of the lack of history mentione= d > above. > > Jim Ash > = tor - much = ki! = = -Matt = = > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:48 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) From: "Bill Church" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" D.Reid wrote: Can anyone see any problems with using 1/4" capstrip on the Piet wing?> Thanks, Dave...Down in Florida Dave, Welcome to the group. Here's an interesting post regarding the use of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrips, from a couple of months ago. http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=43649709?KEYS =capstrip?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=29?SERIAL=05085421333?SHOWBUTTONS =YES Food for thought. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:27 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Some emails applications, like mine, cut off the end of these types of links....some of you may need to cut and paste the entire link (everything through "=YES") and paste that into your browser.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" > > > > D.Reid wrote: > > Can anyone see any problems with using 1/4" capstrip on the Piet wing?> > > Thanks, > Dave...Down in Florida > > > Dave, > Welcome to the group. > Here's an interesting post regarding the use of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrips, > from a couple of months ago. > > http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=43649709?KEYS > =capstrip?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=29?SERIAL=05085421333?SHOWBUTTONS > =YES > > Food for thought. > > Bill C. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:32 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair update --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" William Wynne has posted an update on his website, at http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html . The Zenith aircraft factory will be hosting a "Corvair Day" on May 20 in Mexico, Missouri. Not a "Corvair College" workshop, but an open house and meet/greet. William will inspect parts if you bring them. Looks like his next project is to develop a firewall forward package design for the CH701. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification From: Now there ya go,ya learn something every day.I had no idea that dinosaurs used engines.I guess when ya think about it ,they needed somthin to move those big bodies around eh! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: May 10, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification Corvairs have been flying since 1960. Thats 46 years. If an engine needed a longer track record than that to be considered safe for an experimental nobody would be using Rotax, Hirth, HKS, or Corvair engines, only the dinosaurs. Rick H. On 5/9/06, Jim Ash wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash I owe this list, and William Wynne specifically, an apology. The comments I made in my email to this group on 4 May were misconstrued as an attack on William and his work. This was not my intent, and for this misunderstanding I sincerely apologize. My intent was to impress the point that Corvair engines do not have a long and established history in aircraft, and that in using one in your own airplane you absolutely need to understand everything about what you've done with it, and why, in your specific set of circumstances. This also includes understanding the risks involved in light of the lack of history mentioned above. Jim Ash target"_blank" onclick"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Pietenpol-List k"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://wiki.matronics.com lank" onclick"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:14 AM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D Gene, 745 pounds. Good luck on your project. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Beenenga To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga Mike King, What does you GN-1 weight in at? I am about 5/8 finished with a GN. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Mike King Sent: May 7, 2006 10:17 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D Thought so Dick. It looked exactly like mine but I had to stay here in the Lone Star State that weekend. Appreciate it. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D That looks like a Jim Markle truck. Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D Who's pick up truck from Texas? It is in the background of the pic. Mike King 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D The gentleman's name is Bruce McCutcheon. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I D Do Not Archive Pieters, While cleaning files etc I happened on a photo of some yankee dude with his arms draped around my bride at Brodhead in 2004. Can anyone I D this Pieter? The groom Do Not Archive = = http://wiki.matronics.com = = ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:00 AM PST US From: "Carl Vought" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) You may sell your plane someday (I'll wash my mouth out with soap later...But to continue)...What will you say to the prospective buyer? Sounds to me you'd have a sales job to do. Is 3 pounds worth it?....Carl Vought...Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) Using 1/4 X 1/4 instead of 1/4 X 1/2 capstrips will save a little over 2 1/2 pounds if using spruce and a little over 3 pounds if using douglas fir. I know weight savings is important but, personally, I would look elsewhere for weight savings. Additionally, some info says to use 1/4 X 1/4 if your hp is 65 or less. Other than the slipstream, I don't see a connection between hp and capstrip size. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: D.Reid To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) Hiya gang, Another Piet project is off and running. Ready to start building wing ribs and I discovered a "ton" of 1/4" X 1/4" douglas fir capstrip already ripped and ready to turn into ribs. I didnt know I still had this until I was cleaning up the shop a few days ago...so, you know where this is going...so, what do you think. Can anyone see any problems with using 1/4" capstrip on the Piet wing? I should also say I'm using a GN-1 airfoil with the verticle uprights on the ribs and a solid plywood nose block. L/E will be most likely .020 aluminum. Comments? Thanks, Dave...Down in Florida ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:43 AM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Piets in Jacksonville: was Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip (???) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" He's at Hilliard Airport about 25 miles North of Jacksonville. Eric >From: Ben Charvet >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Piets in Jacksonville: was Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Capstrip >(???) >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:08:01 -0400 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet > >Dave, >You need to track down a man named Pat Green. He has a Piet that he keeps >in the Jacksonville area somewhere. He extended his wings for added lift, >as he put it to get over the pine trees at the end of many Florida >airports. Its powered by a Corvair with the BP conversion complete with >blower fan and has been flying since the 70's. I can send you some >pictures of his Piet directly if you are interested. I wish I remembered >what airport. > >Ben > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:53 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Anytime Glen!, Glad you had a good time in spite of the gusty conditions. Ain't Life Grand!! walt evans NX140DL ps I'll post your pics on my yahoo site "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" > > > Before today I have never actually seen a completed Pietenpol. I emailed > Walt Evans to see if I could take a look at his plane since I was driving > out to New York City and he's in New Jersey. Being the nice guy that he > is he extended an offer to meet me at his hangar. It was drizzly and > WINDY and he came out and showed me around his plane. Can't say enough > about what a nice job he's done. I also can't say what seeing the > finished product means to somebody who just has a bundle of wood, T-88, a > rib jig and a couple of ribs and an easle with plans resting on it. Wow! > > After talking for quite some time I thought we were wrapping up and he > asked if I was interested in a ride. The wind had died down and > conditions had improved. I didn't want to impose but at the same time I > didn't want to pass up an opportunity like this. So I took him up on the > offer. Getting into the passenger place helped me brush up on long lost > jungle gym skills and then, there I was, looking at his passenger panel. > I couldn't believe it was happening. He fired up the Continental, taxi'd > out, and before I could say Holy $#*% we were in the air and climbing! > > Right then and there, it hit me. This is what it's all about. Definitely > an experience that I'll never forget and a catalyst for my project. I > knew it would be fun, I just didn't know how much. Like I told him, I > can't remember how many times I said "Wow!" during the drive home. > > Thanks Walt!!!!! > > Nose to the grindstone, shoulder to the wheel. This is one project that > MUST get done. > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33761#33761 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:33 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... From: "Jack T. Textor" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" Walt, How can I check out your yahoo site? Thanks Jack Textor www.textors.com Anytime Glen!, Glad you had a good time in spite of the gusty conditions. Ain't Life Grand!! walt evans NX140DL ps I'll post your pics on my yahoo site ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:52 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:03 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Jack, Go here,,, http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=5f03&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos should work. Glen should be on top. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack T. Textor" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" > > > Walt, > How can I check out your yahoo site? > Thanks > Jack Textor > www.textors.com > > > Anytime Glen!, > Glad you had a good time in spite of the gusty conditions. > Ain't Life Grand!! > walt evans > NX140DL > ps I'll post your pics on my yahoo site > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... From: "Jack T. Textor" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" Thanks Walt, I've been there and just didn't realize it was yours. Jack Do not archive Jack, Go here,,, http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=5f03&.src=ph&store=&pro did=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos should work. Glen should be on top. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack T. Textor" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:40 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Jack, Yeah, #31 and #32 is Glen standing next to a friend of mine's "wind machine" He's made many movies with it recently. This pic shows it with some kind of a defuser on it. He did the special effects for War Of The Worlds, GI Jane, Pirates Of The Carribian 2 & 3(out soon) and others. He's a big tall dude with a handshake that could bring you to your knees. (but he had a Piet once) walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack T. Textor" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" > > > Thanks Walt, I've been there and just didn't realize it was yours. > Jack > Do not archive > > > Jack, > Go here,,, > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joepiet/album?.dir=5f03&.src=ph&store=&pro > did=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos > should work. > Glen should be on top. > walt evans > NX140DL > > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > Ben Franklin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack T. Textor" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:20 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Builders with Slow/Stalled Projects... > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:01 PM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga thanks Mike, sorry, but either I forgot or maybe you didn't say, but what's your engine again? Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Mike King >Sent: May 10, 2006 10:44 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > >Gene, > >745 pounds. Good luck on your project. > > >Mike >GN-1 >77MK >Dallas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Beenenga > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga > Mike King, > What does you GN-1 weight in at? I am about 5/8 finished with a GN. > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike King > Sent: May 7, 2006 10:17 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > Thought so Dick. It looked exactly like mine but I had to stay > here in the Lone Star State that weekend. > > Appreciate it. > > Mike King > GN-1 > 77MK > Dallas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dick Navratil > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > That looks like a Jim Markle truck. > Dick N > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike King > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > Who's pick up truck from Texas? It is in the background of the pic. > > > Mike King > 77MK > Dallas, Texas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gcardinal > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > The gentleman's name is Bruce McCutcheon. > > Greg Cardinal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Isablcorky@aol.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:12 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > Do Not Archive > > Pieters, > While cleaning files etc I happened on a photo of some yankee dude with his arms draped around my bride at Brodhead in 2004. Can anyone I D this Pieter? > The groom > > Do Not Archive > http://wiki.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:22 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet I think we all understand that experimental aviation has its risks. If I use a corvair it is my risk. Perhaps we should let this subject rest? Ben Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > Unfortunately, that's a rather fallacious argument. By history, I mean > real hours spent working in the air, not calendar years since someone > first tried it. > > Jim Ash > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Holland > Sent: May 10, 2006 8:13 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification > > Corvairs have been flying since 1960. Thats 46 years. If an engine > needed a longer track record than that to be considered safe for > an experimental nobody would be using Rotax, Hirth, HKS, or > Corvair engines, only the dinosaurs. > > Rick H. > > On 5/9/06, *Jim Ash* wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > I owe this list, and William Wynne specifically, an apology. > The comments I made in my email to this group on 4 May were > misconstrued as an attack on William and his work. This was > not my intent, and for this misunderstanding I sincerely > apologize. > > My intent was to impress the point that Corvair engines do not > have a long and established history in aircraft, and that in > using one in your own airplane you absolutely need to > understand everything about what you've done with it, and why, > in your specific set of circumstances. This also includes > understanding the risks involved in light of the lack of > history mentioned above. > > Jim Ash > > target"_blank" onclick"return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > k"return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://wiki.matronics.com > lank" onclick"return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > -- > Rick Holland > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:05 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" I agree! The Internet has only been around for 14 years now. Postal letters have been around for hundreds of years. Although many folks tout the so-called advantages of email and websites, they simply don't have the track record that serious communicators demand. In fact, I knew a guy who got the Internet and joined an email list and within a month, he started to get messages he didn't like. He sold his computer, and has been happily using the US Postal Service ever since. You're free to do what you will, but I don't want to be a guinea pig in some techno-geek's big worldwide social experiment. Seriously, this discussion has been annoying me a bit to watch, though it's nothing new. I do appreciate Jim publicly clarifying that he wasn't trying to malign William, which is more than usually happens. But some perspective is in order here. Obviously, nobody's forcing anyone to use an engine they aren't comfortable with. I'm personally sold on the Corvair, as I've come to know William and the Hangar gang well enough that I have faith that they are honest and straightforward in their dealings and that they are right when they say that I am capable, with their help, of building a satisfactory Corvair-based aircraft engine for my personal requirements. I have heard them tell people both what this motor both can, and cannot, do, and if anything I've seen them consistently UNDER-sell the capabilities of the Corvair rather than OVER-state it to try to sell products. In my experience, they've never, ever encouraged folks to do anything blindly just "because they said so"... they have always been willing and able to back up their recommendations with sound reasoning. Most importantly, this is most often based on significant amounts of actual flight experience, not theoretical calculations or single tests as some other folks will use to "prove" their products. If they only have one or two data points, or none, they will make sure you know that fact. They also have consistently encouraged people to learn and understand for themselves WHY they recommend to do something, or not. In my opinion, anyone who says to do something "because William says so" is missing the point somewhat, but they generally do so because they have found that he has actually earned the right to be considered an authority on the subject. This is because he really has tried most of the ideas that people have asked about, and refined the good ones so that anyone could use them. While I've heard folks criticize Corvairs before and even pull out some examples to "prove" their unworthiness, they never seem to mention the thousands of failures of Lycomings, Continentals, Pratt & Whitneys, etc. installed by "qualified" folks for comparison. 98% of the "examples" are things heard from friends of friends, etc. From the folks I've personally talked to, emailed, and read about who have actually BUILT their own Corvairs and can thus speak with some authority on the matter, it would seem that nearly everyone who has followed William's advice has ended up quite satisfied, if not extremely happy, with their Corvair installation. Most of the occasional problems I've heard of have been caused by things that William has specifically and publicly warned against doing, or happened before he even started his research on the subject. In short, folks who follow WW's advice tend to have a high chance of success with their Corvair engines. I don't "deify" William or anyone else, nor do I have any personal stake in this discussion other than I consider the Hangar Gang to be friends, who happen to be "the" experts on the engine I will build in the (hopefully near) future. However, I can honestly say that the Corvair Hangar Gang, to a person, set an excellent example of honesty, enthusiasm, helpfulness, and fun that I wish was present in everyone in aviation. This seems to have rubbed off on quite a few others (or perhaps it just attracts like-minded souls) throughout the homebuilt community, who then share their enthusiasm. I don't know why, but this seemingly attracts the occasional ire of a few folks who'd rather complain about a subject they rarely seem to have any first-hand knowledge of. I'm no engine expert myself, but if you ask me, even if you don't choose to fly a Corvair yourself, you should have a healthy dose of respect and appreciation for the many positive contributions that the Corvair folks have made towards furthering recreational aviation. We need a lot more folks like them in the aviation world. BTW, most homebuilt companies now require a signed legal release before selling plans or products. This is simply a factor of today's out of control legal system, NOT a lack of faith in their own products. It isn't the plans purchaser they are worried about, but their survivors's lawyers. It doesn't matter whether the accident really had anything to do with the manufacturer or not. -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > Unfortunately, that's a rather fallacious argument. By history, I mean > > real hours spent working in the air, not calendar years since someone > > first tried it. > > > > Jim Ash > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Holland > > Sent: May 10, 2006 8:13 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Flyers / apology & clarification > > > > Corvairs have been flying since 1960. Thats 46 years. If an engine > > needed a longer track record than that to be considered safe for > > an experimental nobody would be using Rotax, Hirth, HKS, or > > Corvair engines, only the dinosaurs. > > > > Rick H. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:42 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D It is a 1940 A-80 Continental. Mike King 77MK GN-1 Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Beenenga To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga thanks Mike, sorry, but either I forgot or maybe you didn't say, but what's your engine again? Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Mike King >Sent: May 10, 2006 10:44 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > >Gene, > >745 pounds. Good luck on your project. > > >Mike >GN-1 >77MK >Dallas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Beenenga > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga > Mike King, > What does you GN-1 weight in at? I am about 5/8 finished with a GN. > Ken > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike King > Sent: May 7, 2006 10:17 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > Thought so Dick. It looked exactly like mine but I had to stay > here in the Lone Star State that weekend. > > Appreciate it. > > Mike King > GN-1 > 77MK > Dallas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dick Navratil > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > That looks like a Jim Markle truck. > Dick N > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike King > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > Who's pick up truck from Texas? It is in the background of the pic. > > > > Mike King > 77MK > Dallas, Texas > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gcardinal > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > The gentleman's name is Bruce McCutcheon. > > Greg Cardinal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Isablcorky@aol.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:12 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I D > > > Do Not Archive > > Pieters, > While cleaning files etc I happened on a photo of some yankee dude with his arms draped around my bride at Brodhead in 2004. Can anyone I D this Pieter? > The groom > > Do Not Archive > http://wiki.matronics.com = = = =