---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/15/06: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:30 AM - Re: BUILD TIME () 2. 10:10 AM - Re: Corvair Core engines (KMHeide) 3. 09:20 PM - Re: Corvair Core engines (Mike Whaley) 4. 11:54 PM - Re: BUILD TIME (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: BUILD TIME From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: I fould nico press sleeves at a boat equipment supplyer in town;have a look around,they may be closer than you think.The ones they have are copper with a coating on it that makes it look like aluminum but you can tell that they are the right type because they are heavier than the aluminum ones.Someone else on the this web page will probably know what that coating is.Enjoy! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: May 15, 2006 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BUILD TIME --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson I'll second that. I began the tailfeathers in the fall of 2000. As of today's elevator and cable installation I have 638 hours of enjoyment and satisfaction in this project. In the grand tradition of experimental practice I am experimenting with turnbuckleless cabling. How does this work? Well, when I finished the two top cables, the left elevator trailing edge was 1/2"' lower than the right. I twisted that cable two complete turns and re-attached it. That brought the left up exactly in line with the right. I could have made them a lot closer in length but my patience ran out. Oh well, there's the rudder ones to do....... :-) I did the same with the cables between the front and rear rudder bars. They are within 1/16" of parallel with each other. These two I wanted fairly tight so I pulled them together with a bar clamp and installed that cable. I've run out of nico sleeves and there aren't any copper ones to be had here. Lots of aluminum ones but they're no good for galvanized. Another Wicks order coming up! Remember, this is supposed to be fun. Just go with the flow. .. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > Boyce: I find build times are kind of irreverent. Building my center > section seemed to go on and on for ever, and ever. When I framed up a > wing it went so fast that I thought I could have both done in a month, > Then I got into the small details which slowed things WAY down. It took > about a month to build that one wing, and it was spread out over two > summers. My whole project was to be a 2 year thing, I'm into year 8! > Bottom line..don't sweat time, just get started and keep plugging away. > I'm glad I didn't try to build to a time schedule. I would be building > an imaginary Piet in a padded cell some whare. Leon S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:33 AM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Core engines Chuck, I am in the process of reconditioning a Corvair engine for use in my Piet project when completed. I have ordered all the necessary components and parts from Mr. William Wynne along with purchasing his manual. The reason for this letter is to make mention of the lengthy process to getting parts from William Wynne! I have paid for product back in Feb. but as of this date have not seen the complete order! Several telephone messages go un-returned and no-one appears to be at his facility. When I have had the opportunity to speak with Mr. Wynne, he is exceptional in his knowledge and abilities to assist with information on the Corvair. However, He needs to staff the store 8-5 M-F and make sure someone is producing product to ship. In reality, no-one can do everything from fix the plumbing to cut the checks...... Frustrated?.....More than I can tell you! However, I am one that will keep trying but my abilities to be positive are running out fast! Just food for thought.... Do not archive Ken Fargo, ND Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: My ol' buddy, Jon Jones, is selling a couple of corvair core engines, and he asked me to post them to the group. He's the guy that took me in to his home & family, and his wife fed us steak & potato dinner, and spent the eveing telling stories, during one leg of my 'America Tour04'. That was a Most enjoyable stop. He lives about an inch southwest of St. Louis (on the chart). You can e-mail him at: jonjones@trimfoot.com Chuck G. NX770CG Here is the note he sent to me: Well, after evaluating my situation, I guess I won't be building a Piet anytime soon. I've been following the list for several years and had the pleasure of meeting Chuck G on his "04 tour". How awesome that trip must've been! Anyway, I have decided that with a wife and family, it would just be too much to build a Piet AND try to get a pilot cert. Not to say it couldn't be done, but I have thought a lot about what my final goal is, and that is to just putter around the hills low and slow with minimum expense and time invested- now this may be a dirty word here, but I think I'm going to get a powered parachute. I know a lot of folks don't like them, but as I see it, it's the only way I'm going to get airborne at this point in my life. I would really have liked to built a Piet, and I just finished a new wood shop with all kinds of tools. It even has an apartment of sorts upstairs(doghouse) What a great place it would be to build an airplane! I have 3 Corvair engines...2 110's and a pre-65. One of the 110's has the smog heads, but both 110's have the correct crank. I haven't been able to turn them over, but then again I haven't sprayed them with anything like PB blaster or tranny fluid. Of course, the pre-65 turns over freely....I live about 90 miles south of St. Louis, MO if anyone is needing a 'vair for their project. I would like for someone on this list to get them, and I guess if none of you guy's need 'em, I'll try ebay or something. I'd like to get $300 for all 3, and this will go towards my "go-kart tied to a rag" fund. I want say thanks to all the folks on the list who gave me info over the years. I am amazed at what a great bunch Piet builders are! I have never seen a forum that is as close knit as this one is, and how seldom negative things come up. One of the hardest parts of not getting to build a Piet, is not being able to be partof the 'family'. I'll still be lurking though..... Jon Jones Ironton, MO --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:11 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Core engines There have been some brush fires throughout their area lately, in fact the news tonight said there's one that has resulted in the mandatory evacuation of subdivisions and closed roads within a mile of Massey Air Ranch where their hangar is. I'm sure they're all OK but it's possible that they can't even get to the hangar. I can't speak for them, and that's probably not what's taking a while, but the point is that things do happen beyond our control sometimes. Keep in mind that William's business, like everyone else, can also be at the mercy of parts suppliers and other schedules, and this is a VERY busy time of year in the industry (SNF, Oshkosh, summer flying season, etc.) This many put some perspective on things... it is what William posted in last month's edition of the Hangar: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0406.html --------------------- The building of regular production parts, engines, and R&D testing goes on. A note to builders on the Web: Generally, backorders are filled in one batch. An example is the last round of Oil Pans. A few days before Sun 'N Fun, we finished welding, packaging and shipping 14 Oil Pans that were on backorder, bringing us up to date on paid orders. All of these were shipped by U.S. Postal Service Priority Mail. The first person who received one innocently chimed in on a Discussion Group that his Oil Pan had arrived from us and he was very happy. This spurred two other people to immediately respond on Discussion Groups that they had an Oil Pan on back order and hadn't received it. They received theirs the following day because they live farther away from us, but of course, this was not mentioned on the same Discussion Groups. Anyone casually reading these groups could jump to the conclusion that only one Pan, not all 14 backorders, were delivered. When this happens once a year, it's no big deal. But it's a frequent enough occurrence that it's worth mentioning. --------------------- Keep the faith... William and the Hangar Gang may be hard to reach sometimes, but they're honest and certainly not fly-by-night types. I bet they're just really busy with all the increasing interest in Corvairs lately... -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: [piet] Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Core engines Chuck, I am in the process of reconditioning a Corvair engine for use in my Piet project when completed. I have ordered all the necessary components and parts from Mr. William Wynne along with purchasing his manual. The reason for this letter is to make mention of the lengthy process to getting parts from William Wynne! I have paid for product back in Feb. but as of this date have not seen the complete order! Several telephone messages go un-returned and no-one appears to be at his facility. When I have had the opportunity to speak with Mr. Wynne, he is exceptional in his knowledge and abilities to assist with information on the Corvair. However, He needs to staff the store 8-5 M-F and make sure someone is producing product to ship. In reality, no-one can do everything from fix the plumbing to cut the checks...... Frustrated?.....More than I can tell you! However, I am one that will keep trying but my abilities to be positive are running out fast! Just food for thought.... Do not archive Ken Fargo, ND Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: My ol' buddy, Jon Jones, is selling a couple of corvair core engines, and he asked me to post them to the group. He's the guy that took me in to his home & family, and his wife fed us steak & potato dinner, and spent the eveing telling stories, during one leg of my 'America Tour04'. That was a Most enjoyable stop. He lives about an inch southwest of St. Louis (on the chart). You can e-mail him at: jonjones@trimfoot.com Chuck G. NX770CG Here is the note he sent to me: Well, after evaluating my situation, I guess I won't be building a Piet anytime soon. I've been following the list for several years and had the pleasure of meeting Chuck G on his "04 tour". How awesome that trip must've been! Anyway, I have decided that with a wife and family, it would just be too much to build a Piet AND try to get a pilot cert. Not to say it couldn't be done, but I have thought a lot about what my final goal is, and that is to just putter around the hills low and slow with minimum expense and time invested- now this may be a dirty word here, but I think I'm going to get a powered parachute. I know a lot of folks don't like them, but as I see it, it's the only way I'm going to get airborne at this point in my life. I would really have liked to built a Piet, and I just finished a new wood shop with all kinds of tools. It even has an apartment of sorts upstairs(doghouse) What a great place it would be to build an airplane! I have 3 Corvair engines...2 110's and a pre-65. One of the 110's has the smog heads, but both 110's have the correct crank. I haven't been able to turn them over, but then again I haven't sprayed them with anything like PB blaster or tranny fluid. Of course, the pre-65 turns over freely....I live about 90 miles south of St. Louis, MO if anyone is needing a 'vair for their project. I would like for someone on this list to get them, and I guess if none of you guy's need 'em, I'll try ebay or something. I'd like to get $300 for all 3, and this will go towards my "go-kart tied to a rag" fund. I want say thanks to all the folks on the list who gave me info over the years. I am amazed at what a great bunch Piet builders are! I have never seen a forum that is as close knit as this one is, and how seldom negative things come up. One of the hardest parts of not getting to build a Piet, is not being able to be partof the 'family'. I'll still be lurking though..... Jon Jones Ironton, MO ----- save big. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:48 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BUILD TIME --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson That's where I go but they all are out of them at the same time. A couple of months ago three of them had lots of the things so I only bought the few I needed thinking they'd always be there. Ha! There are three coatings I know of , zinc, nickel and I forget the other one. With the tail parts on it struck me today that it now looks like a giant lawn dart!! I wonder how many rubber bands I'd need to launch it over the house into the front lawn. :-) :-) I have to stop thinking. This is what got Larry Walters in trouble. Besides, I don't have a pointy thing to put on the front of it. That's mine and I'm not going to part with it! Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > I fould nico press sleeves at a boat equipment supplyer in town;have a > look around,they may be closer than you think.The ones they have are > copper with a coating on it that makes it look like aluminum but you can > tell that they are the right type because they are heavier than the > aluminum ones.Someone else on the this web page will probably know what > that coating is.Enjoy!