---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/19/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:10 AM - EAA Hotline (tbyh@aol.com) 2. 08:07 AM - Items for sale.... (KMHeide) 3. 08:49 AM - A radial bike to go along with a radial Piet (Rick Holland) 4. 09:27 AM - Re: A radial bike to go along with a radial Piet () 5. 06:09 PM - brake lines (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 07:35 PM - Re: landing gear (Clif Dawson) 7. 07:43 PM - Re: brake lines (D.Reid) 8. 08:07 PM - Re: brake lines (Gordon Bowen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:00 AM PST US From: tbyh@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Hotline See the latest EAA Hotline -- features our favorite airplane and designer! I'm about to assemble my Jenny-style landing gear. I have all the struts made plus the steel brackets and cross braces (courtesy Ken Perkins) and have studied the plans. I know how it is supposed to go together mechanically, but what process did other builders use to get the right geometry, angles, and alignment and make sure the strut holes are all drilled correctly? Would appreciate any advice... Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:43 AM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Pietenpol-List: Items for sale.... Members of the list: I am selling items I have purchased (very reasonable) for my Corvair engine project.For reasons I wish not to disclose, you have a very excellent opportunity to purchase quality parts at discount prices. (2) 8 pack of AC Delco plugs R44F (2) Front engine covers machined to pattern (1) Moroso Blue Max Ignition Wire Set (1) Set of lifters (2) Bosch engine coils (2) Engine resistors Napa (1) MSD Ignition Coil Selector Plus Many other Corvair parts from two engine disassembles. Any photos or more information needed please contact me. Ken Heide 701-793-3030 Cell E-mail kmheidecpo@yahoo.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:26 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A radial bike to go along with a radial Piet Hey Dick Check out this bike, imagine riding to the airport on this baby to got take a hop in your radial Piet. Actually look like a Rotec. Rick H -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A radial bike to go along with a radial Piet From: The guy or gal who rides this bike has a permanent smile and real straight hair! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: May 19, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A radial bike to go along with a radial Piet Hey Dick Check out this bike, imagine riding to the airport on this baby to got take a hop in your radial Piet. Actually look like a Rotec. Rick H -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:59 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake lines --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; It's been so lazy and quiet here lately that I thought I'd throw out a little item for discussion. I've been reworking the brakes on 41CC so I'm attentive to details on brakes just now. Corky ran the brake lines in soft aluminum but they got considerable damage and I've decided to replace them with nylaflow tubing. I don't care much for flare fittings. Anyway, I've taken great pains to route the lines snug to the gear legs, well secured, and around the back of the brakes, always keeping in mind operation off of grass. To me, that's half the enjoyment of these airplanes- flying off of grass, dirt, and sod. And I've operated out of some REAL grass... where it gets in your tailwheel, up in the gear, and isn't this low-to-the-ground stuff. So my concern has been to keep the brake lines in a position where twigs or grass won't snag the lines or tear at them. Walking the flightline at the SWRFI event last weekend, I was dismayed to see how many aircraft have the brake lines out in the breeze, willy-nilly. Even the RVs and others with the one-piece spring gear that is gun-drilled for the lines, when they get down to the brakes they have an open loop of flex hose or nylaflow tubing, just hanging out there inches from the ground, exposed where any passing clump of grass or twig can rip at it. Most horrifying were some of the ultralights and light planes, one or two of which had nylaflow tubing with absolutely nothing holding them to the gear legs or anything else between the exit from the fuselage and the brake mechanism... just a couple of feet of loose tubing out in the breeze. I couldn't believe that any inspector would pass such an installation, grass operations or not. Oh, and even some of the certified aircraft have loops of flex brake hose out there in the breeze, away from any protection and some of them out ahead of the wheel where even the brake doesn't protect the line. Maybe I'm being overly cautious here. Anybody have any comments on brake line routing? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:44 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing gear I made a rather massive 2X4 frame clamped to the fuselage and fiddled with until the thing was square and centered. This is the 1st page of the process; http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html Like they say, " Preparation is Everything!" Clif ----- Original Message ----- See the latest EAA Hotline -- features our favorite airplane and designer! I'm about to assemble my Jenny-style landing gear. Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:31 PM PST US From: "D.Reid" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brake lines --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D.Reid" Oscar, Just do it the way *You* think best. Thats all you can do. Regards, Dave...Down in florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake lines > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; > > It's been so lazy and quiet here lately that I thought I'd throw out a > little item for discussion. I've been reworking the brakes on 41CC so I'm > attentive to details on brakes just now. Corky ran the brake lines in > soft aluminum but they got considerable damage and I've decided to replace > them with nylaflow tubing. I don't care much for flare fittings. > > Anyway, I've taken great pains to route the lines snug to the gear legs, > well secured, and around the back of the brakes, always keeping in mind > operation off of grass. To me, that's half the enjoyment of these > airplanes- flying off of grass, dirt, and sod. And I've operated out of > some REAL grass... where it gets in your tailwheel, up in the gear, and > isn't this low-to-the-ground stuff. So my concern has been to keep the > brake lines in a position where twigs or grass won't snag the lines or > tear at them. > > Walking the flightline at the SWRFI event last weekend, I was dismayed to > see how many aircraft have the brake lines out in the breeze, willy-nilly. > Even the RVs and others with the one-piece spring gear that is gun-drilled > for the lines, when they get down to the brakes they have an open loop of > flex hose or nylaflow tubing, just hanging out there inches from the > ground, exposed where any passing clump of grass or twig can rip at it. > Most horrifying were some of the ultralights and light planes, one or two > of which had nylaflow tubing with absolutely nothing holding them to the > gear legs or anything else between the exit from the fuselage and the > brake mechanism... just a couple of feet of loose tubing out in the > breeze. I couldn't believe that any inspector would pass such an > installation, grass operations or not. Oh, and even some of the certified > aircraft have loops of flex brake hose out there in the breeze, away from > any protection and some of them out ahead of the wheel where even the > brake doesn't protect the line. > > Maybe I'm being overly cautious here. Anybody have any comments on brake > line routing? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:34 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brake lines --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" Oscar, Most all Varieze, Cozy and Longeze lines are 'willy-nilly" hanging out in the breeze. Seems to be no problem for about 25 yrs. Couple tips though......be sure to follow the instructions on these nyloflow lines, ie. the little tiny insert is very much needed to insure the line doesn't collapes when the crimping sleeve is nutted down tight. Without these inserts the lines leak. Secondly, use only the thick red brake fluid approved for storebought spamcans. Or use the newer synthethic silicone based stuff. Don't use the automotive stuff, it boils off and adsorbs H2O will cause problems with seals in your calipers. Gordon Bowen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake lines > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers; > > It's been so lazy and quiet here lately that I thought I'd throw out a > little item for discussion. I've been reworking the brakes on 41CC so I'm > attentive to details on brakes just now. Corky ran the brake lines in > soft aluminum but they got considerable damage and I've decided to replace > them with nylaflow tubing. I don't care much for flare fittings. > > Anyway, I've taken great pains to route the lines snug to the gear legs, > well secured, and around the back of the brakes, always keeping in mind > operation off of grass. To me, that's half the enjoyment of these > airplanes- flying off of grass, dirt, and sod. And I've operated out of > some REAL grass... where it gets in your tailwheel, up in the gear, and > isn't this low-to-the-ground stuff. So my concern has been to keep the > brake lines in a position where twigs or grass won't snag the lines or > tear at them. > > Walking the flightline at the SWRFI event last weekend, I was dismayed to > see how many aircraft have the brake lines out in the breeze, willy-nilly. > Even the RVs and others with the one-piece spring gear that is gun-drilled > for the lines, when they get down to the brakes they have an open loop of > flex hose or nylaflow tubing, just hanging out there inches from the > ground, exposed where any passing clump of grass or twig can rip at it. > Most horrifying were some of the ultralights and light planes, one or two > of which had nylaflow tubing with absolutely nothing holding them to the > gear legs or anything else between the exit from the fuselage and the > brake mechanism... just a couple of feet of loose tubing out in the > breeze. I couldn't believe that any inspector would pass such an > installation, grass operations or not. Oh, and even some of the certified > aircraft have loops of flex brake hose out there in the breeze, away from > any protection and some of them out ahead of the wheel where even the > brake doesn't protect the line. > > Maybe I'm being overly cautious here. Anybody have any comments on brake > line routing? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > >