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1. 04:42 AM - Re: newby here, sorry for the long intro post (Phillips, Jack)
2. 05:17 AM - rats ! (Michael D Cuy)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: rats ! (Rick Holland)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: rats ! ()
5. 05:55 AM - you seen one wing, you seen em' both (Michael D Cuy)
6. 05:59 AM - Landing Gear, Memorial Day (tbyh@aol.com)
7. 06:20 AM - Rusty tank (Jeff Boatright)
8. 06:28 AM - Jenny gear, wood gap or no gap (Michael D Cuy)
9. 06:37 AM - GN-1 drag wires (Tom Bernie)
10. 06:53 AM - Re: Rusty tank (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 07:33 AM - Re: Rusty tank (Jeff Boatright)
12. 07:44 AM - Re: Rusty tank (John Hofmann)
13. 07:53 AM - Re: Rusty tank (Hans Vander Voort)
14. 07:55 AM - Welding shops in Atlanta (Michael D Cuy)
15. 08:03 AM - Re: Motor ID (Bill Church)
16. 08:03 AM - Re: Rusty tank (Isablcorky@aol.com)
17. 08:22 AM - Re: you seen one wing, you seen em' both (Rick Holland)
18. 08:25 AM - Re: you seen one wing, you seen em' both ()
19. 10:40 AM - Re: Rusty tank (Gary Gower)
20. 10:47 AM - Re: Welding shops in Atlanta (Gary Gower)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: Landing Gear, Memorial Day (Phillips, Jack)
22. 12:17 PM - Re: rats ! (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
23. 12:46 PM - Re: Riveting tanks -- was Rusty tank (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
24. 01:39 PM - Re: rats ! ()
25. 01:48 PM - Re: rats ! (BPA)
26. 02:49 PM - Re: Riveting tanks -- was Rusty tank (Jeff Boatright)
27. 04:57 PM - Re: Motor ID (Alan Lyscars)
28. 05:16 PM - Re: you seen one wing, you seen em' both (Rick Holland)
29. 05:17 PM - Re: newby here, sorry for the long intro post (Gordon Bowen)
30. 06:41 PM - Re: Motor ID (Alan Lyscars)
31. 08:28 PM - Re: Riveting tanks -- was Rusty tank (Jeff Boatright)
32. 08:56 PM - Re: rats ! ()
33. 09:37 PM - Flying the Alaska Highway (Rob Stapleton)
34. 09:37 PM - FW: Flying the Alaska Highway...? (Rob Stapleton)
35. 10:56 PM - Re: Landing Gear, Memorial Day (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | newby here, sorry for the long intro post |
John,
Welcome to the world of Pietenpols! I agree completely with Rick
Holland's post, particularly about the Tony Bingelis books. This forum
is wonderful and you can get lots of good advice here, but just about
everything you need to learn can be picked up from the Bingelis books.
Think through your choices and realize that in most cases there are no
right or wrong answers, just personal choices (as long as what you are
doing is airworthy). Keep us posted on your progress.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: newby here, sorry for the long intro post
Okay its official.
I got my prints , supplemental drawings and instructions from Don
Pietenpol, so with the exception of reading all the material and planing
it out in my head, I have never ever worked on an airplane before. But
ever since I saw the peit, I have been intrigued by it and the build
process. I had been lurking on and off here for the past 2 years and
followed the threads on a limited basis when time permitted.
Now its time to get to getting. I am going to need all the advise I can
get from basic intro stuff to the complex so any words of advise, well I
am all ears. I don't expect to jump right in with both feet at first but
intend to take the slower route of one learning and construction one
assembly at a time. At least that's the plan so far.
My last project was the complete rebuild of a 1983 Jeep CJ7 from the
ground up the project took 5 years but its on the road so I supposes
there is something to be said for tenacity. I am not bad with wrenches
but have much to learn about wood , cloth and such. I suppose all in due
time!
I hade the opportunity to speak with another builder last night from
Arizona, he asked how big I was, I gave him the basic dimensions, he
said I had better consider adding a few inches to the width of the
cockpit section, I am not certain how that's going to happen, so if
anyone has been faced with that or a krash weight reduction plan I again
am really interested , especially in the preplanning stages. Lots easier
to build in the change from the start of the build than to go making
after the fact modifications.
Well again thanks for any help , words of wisdom and advise you are able
to offer as I continue to study and research.
John Recine
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
They beat me to the pulpit to expound the awesome values of the Bingelis
books !
GREAT to have you on the list, John. Maybe you can breath new life into
the list here which has gone
into a slumber the past month or two.
Make sawdust, grind fittings, less filling.
MIke C. in Cleveland, Ohio
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Yea, you are right Mike, this newsgroup has been a little quite lately. But
that is probably a good sign, I guess people realized that nothing was
getting built in the garage when they were spending all their time beating
on a keyboard in the office.
As far as building goes I did finish my left wing (except for varnish, cove=
r
and paint), so actually I guess I haven't really "finished" it have I? Neve=
r
mind, I will let you know when I have 'really' finished it.
Rick
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C-IOVC is just about ready to go;wing root covers,weight and
balance,brake adjustment,eyebrow scoops for engine,avgas and the
blessing of two AME's and we are jack the bear!
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Sent: May 26, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Yea, you are right Mike, this newsgroup has been a little quite lately.
But that is probably a good sign, I guess people realized that nothing
was getting built in the garage when they were spending all their time
beating on a keyboard in the office.
As far as building goes I did finish my left wing (except for varnish,
cover and paint), so actually I guess I haven't really "finished" it
have I? Never mind, I will let you know when I have 'really' finished
it.
Rick
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Subject: | you seen one wing, you seen em' both |
Rick-- good to hear you have completed one wing. You will be amazed at
how FAST the other wing will go.
Wings go together wayyyyy faster than the fuselage. Everything bolts to
the fuselage and all the controls and systems
are in there. The wings were really satisfying for me to build.
Here is a wing pic for all you builders to get you enthused
again. Remember--this is a three day weekend for most of
us so let your family know that you are going to be working in the shop
some on either Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.....or
perhaps all three !
Mike C.
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Subject: | Landing Gear, Memorial Day |
I have a question about the Jenny style landing gear. Do the tops of the woo=
d struts fit sug up against the lower fuselage longerons, or is there a gap=20=
between them? I would think that there should be a gap, but it isn't clear t=
o me on the plans. I should get out my Brodhead pictures and that might help=
me, too... If there is a gap, should it be a 1/4-inch or...?
Speaking of Memorial Day -- I found the following the other day while doing=20=
some research into the new "National Museum of the United States Army" that=20=
will be built near Washington DC -- this will be a $300 million museum (http=
://www.armyhistory.org/index.aspx). "Before You Go" appears at the end of th=
e museum's on-line newsletter "Call to Duty"-- hopefully they won't mind if=20=
I copy it here.
Be sure to thank a Vet this weekend -- not only Navy, Marine, Air Force, Arm=
y, Coast Guard but also the U.S. Merchant Marines (like my dad who made seve=
n trips across the Pacific in 1944-45 delivering food, medicine, ammo and ev=
en beer to the GIs, Marines and airmen at Tinian, Saipan, Guam and Okinawa.=20=
It wasn't until about 10 years ago that he finally got to drive across San F=
rancisco's Golden Gate Bridge -- although he'd sailed under it many times so=
many years before. And a few years ago Paul Tibbets came to La Crosse to pr=
omote his book -- my dad and Tibbets sat next to each other at the dinner th=
at evening and swapped stories about life on Tinian -- both heroes in my boo=
k!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
BEFORE YOU GO
Quietly, you=E2=80=99ve all turned gray,
You did the job, you saved our way.
Our life and freedom you preserved,
We=E2=80=99ve thanked you less than you=E2=80=99ve deserved.
You never boasted, bragged, or asked
For adulation for your past.
You did the job you knew was right,
And quietly, you cry at night
For bodies maimed and comrades lost,
For sights beyond our furthest thoughts,
For what you=E2=80=99ve lived and felt and seen,
For what the cost of freedom means.
You leave us blessed with every breath
That cost you arms and legs and death.
You won the worst and greatest war,
We owe you more, we owe you more.
Thank you for your wondrous feats,
For open speech and quiet streets,
For worship as we choose to pray,
For preservation of our way.
Before you go, we need to show
That in your silence we still know
What you accomplished and
what you did.
For who we are and how we live.
So go with love from wives and sons
And daughters for a job well done.
>From kids who=E2=80=99ve never seen a tank,
We give you thanks, we give you thanks.
Thank you for your wondrous feats,
For open speech and quiet streets,
For worship as we choose to pray,
For preservation of our way,
For homes and jobs and baseball games,
For many colors, many names.
You=E2=80=99ve saved our lives and we=E2=80=99re still free,
>From shining sea to shining sea.
Thank you=E2=80=A6Thank you=E2=80=A6Thank you
=E2=80=A6Go in peace=E2=80=A6.
THE STORY BEHIND BEFORE YOU GO
The elderly parking lot attendant wasn=E2=80=99t in a good mood. Neither was=
Sam Bierstock. It was around 1 a.m.,
and Bierstock, a Delray Beach, Florida, eye doctor, business consultant, cor=
porate speaker and musician, was bonetired after appearing at an event. He p=
ulled up in his car, and the parking attendant began to speak. "I took two b=
ullets for this country and look what I=E2=80=99m doing," he said bitterly.
At first, Bierstock didn=E2=80=99t know what to say to the World War II vete=
ran. But he rolled down his window
and told the man, "Really, from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank you.=
" Then the old soldier
began to cry.
"That really got to me," Bierstock says. Bierstock, 58 and John Melnick, 54,=
of Pompano Beach, a
member of Bierstock=E2=80=99s band, "Dr. Sam and Managed Care Band," have wr=
itten a song inspired by that old soldier in the airport parking lot. The ly=
rics to "Before You Go" are worth sharing here, and appear with the permissi=
on of Bierstock.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
During the condition inspection of our Piet, we've found that the
fuselage tank, which is made of galvanized steel, has some rust on
the interior walls. Does anyone have experience with removing such
rust, and further, any ideas about how to test whether the tank is
worth saving? That is, is there a way to tell if the corrosion has
made the tank too weak?
Thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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Subject: | Jenny gear, wood gap or no gap |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Hello Fred--- I made my wood gear legs to fit fairly close to the fuselage
fitting/bottom longeron and filed/cut, chistled (sp?)
a notch in the top for the wood end to have room for the strap
fitting/middle part of the metal fitting.
Those gear legs seem so light and flimsy until you bolt them in and install
and tighten the X brace cables below----then you
realize the impressive strength of that style landing gear-----like a
BRIDGE it is !
Another awesome museum is the Air Force Musuem in Dayton, Ohio. It is
FREE. FREE parking FREE admission. This
is no 2 hour walk-thru either. This is a Smithsonian quality, massive,
massive, totally impressive museum. Well worth a drive.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/index.htm
Mike C.
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Does anybody know of a source or substitution for the 9/64" 1050 steel
tie-rod stock specified for the GN-1.
Thanks in advance,
Tom Bernie
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Dr Jeff,
If I might be allowed to suggest that someone's life, an expensive item,
will depend on the flow of fuel from that tank to the engine. An aluminum tank,
an inexpensive item, should be considered immediately.
Corky
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Corky,
I've been having a heck of a time finding someone to weld aluminum.
You'd think in a metro area like Atlanta I'd have no problem, yet
it's been three weeks of me and my Piet partner asking around at EAA
meetings and small airports with no luck. No doubt there people to do
the job, but we've had no luck finding them.
What do you think about the strategy of building one using rivets and
seam sealant?
Thanks,
Jeff
At 9:51 AM -0400 5/26/06, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
>Dr Jeff,
>If I might be allowed to suggest that someone's life, an expensive
>item, will depend on the flow of fuel from that tank to the engine.
>An aluminum tank, an inexpensive item, should be considered
>immediately.
>Corky
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Hi Jeff,
Dont check airports for aluminum welders. I would suggest you try out the
race car guys. You should have no problem finding someone in that group
around Atlanta. You may want to tell them it is for a boat and not an
airplane. Sometimes people can get a bit skittish if you mention "airplane."
TakeCare,
-john-
> Corky,
>
> I've been having a heck of a time finding someone to weld aluminum. You'd
> think in a metro area like Atlanta I'd have no problem, yet it's been three
> weeks of me and my Piet partner asking around at EAA meetings and small
> airports with no luck. No doubt there people to do the job, but we've had no
> luck finding them.
>
> What do you think about the strategy of building one using rivets and seam
> sealant?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> At 9:51 AM -0400 5/26/06, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
>> Dr Jeff,
>> If I might be allowed to suggest that someone's life, an expensive item, will
>> depend on the flow of fuel from that tank to the engine. An aluminum tank, an
>> inexpensive item, should be considered immediately.
>> Corky
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Jeff,
Try the race car guys, most of them use Aluminum tanks.
An other option is, using a piper J 3 tank (worked for me) 12.5 Gallon
The Eaa bipe is using this tank and is listed by AS&S as part # 05-18800
non certified
Or certified 05-18700
Wagareo is using this identical tank in their sport trainer.
I asked AS&S for dimensional drawings before I purchased mine and got a
faxed copy
The drawings list the above AS&S Partnumbers and the Wagareo part.
Hans
Jeff Boatright
<jboatri@emory.ed
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Corky,
I've been having a heck of a time finding someone to weld aluminum. You'd
think in a metro area like Atlanta I'd have no problem, yet it's been three
weeks of me and my Piet partner asking around at EAA meetings and small
airports with no luck. No doubt there people to do the job, but we've had
no luck finding them.
What do you think about the strategy of building one using rivets and seam
sealant?
Thanks,
Jeff
At 9:51 AM -0400 5/26/06, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
Dr Jeff,
If I might be allowed to suggest that someone's life, an expensive
item, will depend on the flow of fuel from that tank to the engine.
An aluminum tank, an inexpensive item, should be considered
immediately.
Corky
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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Subject: | Welding shops in Atlanta |
Finest Welding Service
2540 Gresham Rd Se
Atlanta, GA 30316
(404) 241-8566
Guthrie Machine Works
6 Steve Dr
Doraville, GA 30340
(770) 448-7240
Atlanta Area Technical School
1560 Metropolitan Pkwy SW
Atlanta, GA 30310
(404) 756-3700
Atlanta Welding Company
2626 Lithonia Industrial Blvd.
Lithonia, GA 30058
770-482-2554
corey@aawelding.com
http://www.aawelding.com/index2.html
Martin Welding Company
536 Edgewood Ave Se
Atlanta, GA 30312
(404) 525-3106
A&R Welding
552 Decatur St Se
Atlanta, GA 30312
(404) 522-0097
Ray Fears Welding & Fab
1440 Adele Ave SW
Atlanta, GA 30314
(404) 753-4011
Clark Welding Incorporated
1290 Lynwyn LN Se
Atlanta, GA 30316
(404) 622-6926
Zappa's Precision Welding
525 Circle 85 St
Atlanta, GA 30349
(404) 761-6390
All-Pro Iron Works
4059 Fairburn Ave SW
Atlanta, GA 30331
(404) 344-8810
Roebuck Welding & Machine Co.
1239 Allene Ave SW
Atlanta, GA 30310
(404) 758-9208
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Alan,
Cool model.
That definitely looks like a CO2 motor. They were first produced in the
late 40's, and I remember them still being available in the 70's when I
began building models. The little copper tube coming out of the top of
the engine goes to the "fuel" tank, and then another copper tube goes to
the filler valve. The "fuel" tank gets charged with CO2, and then the
expanding gas is used to move the piston.
I just did a bit of research on the web and found this site that
explains how these little machines work:
http://www.keveney.com/co2.html
And here's a site that explains a bit more:
http://blacksheepsquadron.com/Flying_with_CO2.htm
Bill C
P.S. Perhaps the yellow liquid in the glass beside the plane could be
a potential fuel source??
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Lyscars
Sent: May 25, 2006 11:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor ID
Gents,
Tonight I recieved this old handmade model Piet made years ago by a now
deceased member of our Chapter.
One of the old timers remembers this bird flying on its own but doesn't
know anything about the motor installed.
Can any of you guys identify the motor from the attached pics and tell
me how it works?
This old girl will keep me company in the shop while I build her Big
Sister!
Thanks fellas,
Alan
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Dr Jeff,
Would discourage the rivet tank. You would lay awake half your nights
worrying about fuel on the floor in the hangar. I found a young man who worked
for
his father in his radiator shop who did aluminum welding and he did a great
job. JoeC, _fishin3@earthlink.net_ (mailto:fishin3@earthlink.net) , had the
tank for 41CC completed when I bought the project from him. You might check
with him for help.
You could make yourself a mockup with posterboard with 1/2 inch outside
flanges to fit your plane then mail or ship to a fabricator. Also Mike Cuy had
his custom bilt also. If all fails I can help by contacting my man to see if he
wants to sew up another.
In any case you will be looking at @ $400 up
Corky
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Subject: | Re: you seen one wing, you seen em' both |
Thanks Mike, I knew I could depend on you for encouragement and moral
support, now I can go start on the right wing immediately.
Rick
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On 5/26/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Rick-- good to hear you have completed one wing. You will be amazed at
> how FAST the other wing will go.
>
> Wings go together wayyyyy faster than the fuselage. Everything bolts to
> the fuselage and all the controls and systems
>
> are in there. The wings were really satisfying for me to build.
>
>
> Here is a wing pic for all you builders to get you enthused
> again. Remember--this is a three day weekend for most of
>
> us so let your family know that you are going to be working in the shop
> some on either Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.....or
>
> perhaps all three !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | you seen one wing, you seen em' both |
If one wing goes faster than the other then would that mean you are
flying in circles? ;-)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: May 26, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: you seen one wing, you seen em' both
Thanks Mike, I knew I could depend on you for encouragement and moral
support, now I can go start on the right wing immediately.
Rick
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On 5/26/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
Rick-- good to hear you have completed one wing. You will be amazed at
how FAST the other wing will go.
Wings go together wayyyyy faster than the fuselage. Everything bolts
to
the fuselage and all the controls and systems
are in there. The wings were really satisfying for me to build.
Here is a wing pic for all you builders to get you enthused
again. Remember--this is a three day weekend for most of
us so let your family know that you are going to be working in the shop
some on either Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.....or
perhaps all three !
Mike C.
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Hello Jeff,
There are 3 things (in cost order) you have to check for yourself:
How much will cost to replace the tank, for an aluminum one?
How much will cost to repair the Piet in a deadstick landing? (fuel system cloged)
How much will cost the hospital bills, if you "blow" the forced landing?
Well, I promised 3. :-)
Hope this gives you an idea what to do...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright
During the condition inspection of our Piet, we've found that the
fuselage tank, which is made of galvanized steel, has some rust on
the interior walls. Does anyone have experience with removing such
rust, and further, any ideas about how to test whether the tank is
worth saving? That is, is there a way to tell if the corrosion has
made the tank too weak?
Thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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Subject: | Re: Welding shops in Atlanta |
Mike, Great job... Well only missing will be a 0 to 10 number in each of them
for quality/ price. :-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
Finest Welding Service
2540 Gresham Rd Se
Atlanta, GA 30316
(404) 241-8566
Guthrie Machine Works
6 Steve Dr
Doraville, GA 30340
(770) 448-7240
Atlanta Area Technical School
1560 Metropolitan Pkwy SW
Atlanta, GA 30310
(404) 756-3700
Atlanta Welding Company
2626 Lithonia Industrial Blvd.
Lithonia, GA 30058
770-482-2554
corey@aawelding.com
http://www.aawelding.com/index2.html
Martin Welding Company
536 Edgewood Ave Se
Atlanta, GA 30312
(404) 525-3106
A&R Welding
552 Decatur St Se
Atlanta, GA 30312
(404) 522-0097
Ray Fears Welding & Fab
1440 Adele Ave SW
Atlanta, GA 30314
(404) 753-4011
Clark Welding Incorporated
1290 Lynwyn LN Se
Atlanta, GA 30316
(404) 622-6926
Zappa's Precision Welding
525 Circle 85 St
Atlanta, GA 30349
(404) 761-6390
All-Pro Iron Works
4059 Fairburn Ave SW
Atlanta, GA 30331
(404) 344-8810
Roebuck Welding & Machine Co.
1239 Allene Ave SW
Atlanta, GA 30310
(404) 758-9208
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Subject: | Landing Gear, Memorial Day |
Mine fit nice and tight, flush against the bottom of the fuselage, and
flush against the "V-Blocks" at the bottom.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tbyh@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear, Memorial Day
I have a question about the Jenny style landing gear. Do the tops of the
wood struts fit sug up against the lower fuselage longerons, or is there
a gap between them? I would think that there should be a gap, but it
isn't clear to me on the plans. I should get out my Brodhead pictures
and that might help me, too... If there is a gap, should it be a
1/4-inch or...?
Speaking of Memorial Day -- I found the following the other day while
doing some research into the new "National Museum of the United States
Army" that will be built near Washington DC -- this will be a $300
million museum (http://www.armyhistory.org/index.aspx). "Before You Go"
appears at the end of the museum's on-line newsletter "Call to Duty"--
hopefully they won't mind if I copy it here.
Be sure to thank a Vet this weekend -- not only Navy, Marine, Air Force,
Army, Coast Guard but also the U.S. Merchant Marines (like my dad who
made seven trips across the Pacific in 1944-45 delivering food,
medicine, ammo and even beer to the GIs, Marines and airmen at Tinian,
Saipan, Guam and Okinawa. It wasn't until about 10 years ago that he
finally got to drive across San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge --
although he'd sailed under it many times so many years before. And a few
years ago Paul Tibbets came to La Crosse to promote his book -- my dad
and Tibbets sat next to each other at the dinner that evening and
swapped stories about life on Tinian -- both heroes in my book!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
BEFORE YOU GO
Quietly, you've all turned gray,
You did the job, you saved our way.
Our life and freedom you preserved,
We've thanked you less than you've deserved.
You never boasted, bragged, or asked
For adulation for your past.
You did the job you knew was right,
And quietly, you cry at night
For bodies maimed and comrades lost,
For sights beyond our furthest thoughts,
For what you've lived and felt and seen,
For what the cost of freedom means.
You leave us blessed with every breath
That cost you arms and legs and death.
You won the worst and greatest war,
We owe you more, we owe you more.
Thank you for your wondrous feats,
For open speech and quiet streets,
For worship as we choose to pray,
For preservation of our way.
Before you go, we need to show
That in your silence we still know
What you accomplished and
what you did.
For who we are and how we live.
So go with love from wives and sons
And daughters for a job well done.
>From kids who've never seen a tank,
We give you thanks, we give you thanks.
Thank you for your wondrous feats,
For open speech and quiet streets,
For worship as we choose to pray,
For preservation of our way,
For homes and jobs and baseball games,
For many colors, many names.
You've saved our lives and we're still free,
>From shining sea to shining sea.
Thank you...Thank you...Thank you
..Go in peace....
THE STORY BEHIND BEFORE YOU GO
The elderly parking lot attendant wasn't in a good mood. Neither was Sam
Bierstock. It was around 1 a.m.,
and Bierstock, a Delray Beach, Florida, eye doctor, business consultant,
corporate speaker and musician, was bonetired after appearing at an
event. He pulled up in his car, and the parking attendant began to
speak. "I took two bullets for this country and look what I'm doing," he
said bitterly.
At first, Bierstock didn't know what to say to the World War II veteran.
But he rolled down his window
and told the man, "Really, from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank
you." Then the old soldier
began to cry.
"That really got to me," Bierstock says. Bierstock, 58 and John Melnick,
54, of Pompano Beach, a
member of Bierstock's band, "Dr. Sam and Managed Care Band," have
written a song inspired by that old soldier in the airport parking lot.
The lyrics to "Before You Go" are worth sharing here, and appear with
the permission of Bierstock.
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That's great!
But tell me, seriously, who is Jack the Bear? I had a Canadian friend a
long time ago when we raced stock cars (Earl Ross was his name) who used to=
say
that his car was running like Jack the Bear. Now I say it sometimes too, b=
ut
don't know who Jack the Bear is when people ask me.
Thanks, Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
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In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:53:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
C-IOVC is just about ready to go;wing root covers,weight and balance,brake
adjustment,eyebrow scoops for engine,avgas and the blessing of two AME=E2=
=80=99s and
we are jack the bear!
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: May 26, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Yea, you are right Mike, this newsgroup has been a little quite lately. But=
that is probably a good sign, I guess people realized that nothing was
getting built in the garage when they were spending all their time beating=20=
on a
keyboard in the office.
As far as building goes I did finish my left wing (except for varnish, cove=
r
and paint), so actually I guess I haven't really "finished" it have I? Neve=
r
mind, I will let you know when I have 'really' finished it.
Rick
On 5/26/06, Michael D Cuy <_Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov_
(mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov) > wrote:
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<_Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov_ (mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov) >
They beat me to the pulpit to expound the awesome values of the Bingelis
books !
GREAT to have you on the list, John. Maybe you can breath new life into
the list here which has gone
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Subject: | Re: Riveting tanks -- was Rusty tank |
Jeff,
If you choose to build the tank using rivets and sealant, talk to the RV
(Vans type) guys. All RVs use that type of tank (mine included), so it is
definitely an option. If you choose to rivet the tank, use 2024 T3 aluminum --
preferably .032 inch thick. (See why below.) You will have to keep the bend
radius great enough to avoid cracking it -- perhaps 1/4 inch. But this means
that it can be lighter and stronger than a welded tank. The Proseal sealant
makes this a really messy job. Most of the RV guys agree that it is one of
the worst parts of building the airplane.
I helped a friend do some riveting on his Emeraude tank made of .050 soft
aluminum, and it was hard to keep from bending the rivets over. That aluminum
was just too soft to support a long rivet while driving or squeezing it. If
you weld it you will have to use soft (5000 series, I think) aluminum -- see
Aircraft Spruce catalog for good info. Hope this helps,
Dan Hopper
Have the Piet plans but haven't decided to start it yet.
In a message dated 5/26/2006 10:35:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jboatri@emory.edu writes:
Corky,
I've been having a heck of a time finding someone to weld aluminum. You'd
think in a metro area like Atlanta I'd have no problem, yet it's been three
weeks of me and my Piet partner asking around at EAA meetings and small airports
with no luck. No doubt there people to do the job, but we've had no luck
finding them.
What do you think about the strategy of building one using rivets and seam
sealant?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Jack the Bear is that Bear that used to do the commercials for forest
fires(wears the troopers hat),remember him.He's still around but you
don't hear too much about him anymore so we like to kind of keep him in
the for front by mentioning his name every once in a while. ;-)
Remember don't feed the Bears either!
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________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@aol.com
Sent: May 26, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
That's great!
But tell me, seriously, who is Jack the Bear? I had a Canadian friend a
long time ago when we raced stock cars (Earl Ross was his name) who used
to say that his car was running like Jack the Bear. Now I say it
sometimes too, but don't know who Jack the Bear is when people ask me.
Thanks, Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
do not archive
In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:53:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
C-IOVC is just about ready to go;wing root covers,weight and
balance,brake adjustment,eyebrow scoops for engine,avgas and the
blessing of two AME's and we are jack the bear!
=09
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: May 26, 2006 8:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Yea, you are right Mike, this newsgroup has been a little quite
lately. But that is probably a good sign, I guess people realized that
nothing was getting built in the garage when they were spending all
their time beating on a keyboard in the office.
=09
As far as building goes I did finish my left wing (except for
varnish, cover and paint), so actually I guess I haven't really
"finished" it have I? Never mind, I will let you know when I have
'really' finished it.
=09
Rick
On 5/26/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
=09
They beat me to the pulpit to expound the awesome values of the
Bingelis
books !
=09
GREAT to have you on the list, John. Maybe you can breath new
life into
the list here which has gone
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into a slumber the past month or two.
=09
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I thought his name was Smokey?
Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Jack the Bear is that Bear that used to do the commercials for forest
fires(wears the troopers hat),remember him.He's still around but you
don't hear too much about him anymore so we like to kind of keep him in
the for front by mentioning his name every once in a while. ;-)
Remember don't feed the Bears either!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@aol.com
Sent: May 26, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
That's great!
But tell me, seriously, who is Jack the Bear? I had a Canadian friend a
long time ago when we raced stock cars (Earl Ross was his name) who used
to say that his car was running like Jack the Bear. Now I say it
sometimes too, but don't know who Jack the Bear is when people ask me.
Thanks, Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
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In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:53:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
C-IOVC is just about ready to go;wing root covers,weight and
balance,brake adjustment,eyebrow scoops for engine,avgas and the
blessing of two AME's and we are jack the bear!
=09
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: May 26, 2006 8:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Yea, you are right Mike, this newsgroup has been a little quite
lately. But that is probably a good sign, I guess people realized that
nothing was getting built in the garage when they were spending all
their time beating on a keyboard in the office.
=09
As far as building goes I did finish my left wing (except for
varnish, cover and paint), so actually I guess I haven't really
"finished" it have I? Never mind, I will let you know when I have
'really' finished it.
=09
Rick
On 5/26/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
=09
They beat me to the pulpit to expound the awesome values of the
Bingelis
books !
=09
GREAT to have you on the list, John. Maybe you can breath new
life into
the list here which has gone
=09
into a slumber the past month or two.
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Subject: | Re: Riveting tanks -- was Rusty tank |
Dan,
Thanks so much for the information. Yours is the first reply that
didn't amount to "throw $450 at the problem and it'll go away",
though I do appreciate the time and considerations others took in
making suggestions.
Regards,
Jeff
>Jeff,
>
>If you choose to build the tank using rivets and sealant, talk to
>the RV (Vans type) guys. All RVs use that type of tank (mine
>included), so it is definitely an option. If you choose to rivet
>the tank, use 2024 T3 aluminum -- preferably .032 inch thick. (See
>why below.) You will have to keep the bend radius great enough to
>avoid cracking it -- perhaps 1/4 inch. But this means that it can
>be lighter and stronger than a welded tank. The Proseal sealant
>makes this a really messy job. Most of the RV guys agree that it is
>one of the worst parts of building the airplane.
>
>I helped a friend do some riveting on his Emeraude tank made of .050
>soft aluminum, and it was hard to keep from bending the rivets over.
>That aluminum was just too soft to support a long rivet while
>driving or squeezing it. If you weld it you will have to use soft
>(5000 series, I think) aluminum -- see Aircraft Spruce catalog for
>good info. Hope this helps,
>
>Dan Hopper
>
>Have the Piet plans but haven't decided to start it yet.
>
>
>In a message dated 5/26/2006 10:35:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>jboatri@emory.edu writes:
>
>Corky,
>
>I've been having a heck of a time finding someone to weld aluminum.
>You'd think in a metro area like Atlanta I'd have no problem, yet
>it's been three weeks of me and my Piet partner asking around at EAA
>meetings and small airports with no luck. No doubt there people to
>do the job, but we've had no luck finding them.
>
>What do you think about the strategy of building one using rivets
>and seam sealant?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>
>
--
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Associate Professor
Department of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, GA 30322
Editor-in-Chief
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Bill,
Thanks so much for this info. I've got a feeling that this old girl was
made sometime in the early sixties; therefore probably a CO2 motor. By
the by, that liquid you saw in the snap (didn't have time to crop!)
wouldn't work as is as a fuel for this ship. But how to compress and
bottle it after consumption...?
Regards,
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor ID
Alan,
Cool model.
That definitely looks like a CO2 motor. They were first produced in
the late 40's, and I remember them still being available in the 70's
when I began building models. The little copper tube coming out of the
top of the engine goes to the "fuel" tank, and then another copper tube
goes to the filler valve. The "fuel" tank gets charged with CO2, and
then the expanding gas is used to move the piston.
I just did a bit of research on the web and found this site that
explains how these little machines work:
http://www.keveney.com/co2.html
And here's a site that explains a bit more:
http://blacksheepsquadron.com/Flying_with_CO2.htm
Bill C
P.S. Perhaps the yellow liquid in the glass beside the plane could
be a potential fuel source??
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Lyscars
Sent: May 25, 2006 11:01 PM
To: Piet List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor ID
Gents,
Tonight I recieved this old handmade model Piet made years ago by a
now deceased member of our Chapter.
One of the old timers remembers this bird flying on its own but
doesn't know anything about the motor installed.
Can any of you guys identify the motor from the attached pics and tell
me how it works?
This old girl will keep me company in the shop while I build her Big
Sister!
Thanks fellas,
Alan
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Subject: | Re: you seen one wing, you seen em' both |
Not if you only have one wing, as in my case.
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On 5/26/06, harvey.rule@bell.ca <harvey.rule@bell.ca> wrote:
>
> If one wing goes faster than the other then would that mean you are
> flying in circles? ;-)
>
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* May 26, 2006 11:21 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: you seen one wing, you seen em' both
>
>
> Thanks Mike, I knew I could depend on you for encouragement and moral
> support, now I can go start on the right wing immediately.
>
>
> Rick
>
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> On 5/26/06, *Michael D Cuy* <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Rick-- good to hear you have completed one wing. You will be amazed at
> how FAST the other wing will go.
>
> Wings go together wayyyyy faster than the fuselage. Everything bolts to
> the fuselage and all the controls and systems
>
> are in there. The wings were really satisfying for me to build.
>
>
> Here is a wing pic for all you builders to get you enthused
> again. Remember--this is a three day weekend for most of
>
> us so let your family know that you are going to be working in the shop
> some on either Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.....or
>
> perhaps all three !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: newby here, sorry for the long intro post |
OK, John
Here's my two cents worth, after 3 homebuilts and numerous helping
projects.
1) Building is a passion, lifetime type desire to be around, inside and
outside of airplanes. It's lifetime learning.
2) After the first couple years the thrill wears off. The rush to get
done either ends up in frustration and you garage your dream, or you
grit your teeth and become a real homebuilt craftsman. Your project
from plans could take anywhere from 2 to 10 years, depending on how much
of your spare time you want to take away from honey-do projects or the
kids. The vast vast number of plans build projects are never
finished!!!!!!!!
3) If you are building the plane just because you want to fly, fur git
about it!!!!! Go buy a cheaper spam can. You'll be flying sooner and
cheaper, with an old C-150 or join a flying club. If you are building
because you have the skills as a woodworker, it's a good start, but you
have to learn a whole bunch of new skills working with metals. The
expensive and time eating projects on a homebuilt are all the metal
parts, ie. fuel system, electrical system, control systems, engine,
brakes, etc. etc. You have to observe, read and learn by mistake these
new skills or your pile of sika spruce will be nothing more than a nice
idea.
4) The plans sold by any designer are never ever complete!!!!!!!! You
learn by trial and error where the plans are not complete. If you want
to build a homebuilt from a complete set of plans without thinking too
much about it, go buy an RV or Lancair pre-made parts project. There's
a very good reason why RV's have very high completion rates, the
pre-made parts! You just put part A into slot B and screw in with screw
C, just like putting together the kids Xmas toys or their swing set in
the back yard. Building from scratch from plans requires the skill and
patience of a true craftsman and the determination of a bulldog.
5) The books recommended by other members of this group are mandatory
starts for the learning process. Next comes your local EAA chapter
and/or some great fly-in's like Broadhead. Oshkash is less useful
unless you make it a point to attend the workshops and forums, forget
about the sales tents you don't need all that high tech junk they're
offering for a very long time. How many hats and tee shirts does a
person need, anyway.
6) Find a building buddy, hopefully your wife will become one of your
building buddies too, lowers the divorce rates of homebuilders. Working
together with someone will reinforce the desire to compete the project,
makes great hanger beer parties/barbecues and you'll learn from one
another.
7) Make peace with the fact that when you think you're 80% done, you've
got 80% still to go. Don't be too proud to throw out some marginal part
you've made and do it again. Nobody will know of the poor quality part
buried somewhere in the airframe, except you and you cannot ever forget
about it, you'll be thinking about it every time you hit the starter.
8) Don't get overwhelmed with the beauty of some of the projects that
show up at fly-ins or Oskash. Some guys have been working at building
for 40 years and lots of these award winners are real evidence of a
lifetime commitment to learning and craftmanship with homebuilts, these
were not their first projects, their learning mistakes are buried
somewhere in the back of the garage or hanger. Your first efforts will
not look like these but it will be yours, paid for and flies, if you
have the bulldog determination to hang in there.
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: newby here, sorry for the long intro post
Okay its official.
I got my prints , supplemental drawings and instructions from Don
Pietenpol, so with the exception of reading all the material and planing
it out in my head, I have never ever worked on an airplane before. But
ever since I saw the peit, I have been intrigued by it and the build
process. I had been lurking on and off here for the past 2 years and
followed the threads on a limited basis when time permitted.
Now its time to get to getting. I am going to need all the advise I
can get from basic intro stuff to the complex so any words of advise,
well I am all ears. I don't expect to jump right in with both feet at
first but intend to take the slower route of one learning and
construction one assembly at a time. At least that's the plan so far.
My last project was the complete rebuild of a 1983 Jeep CJ7 from the
ground up the project took 5 years but its on the road so I supposes
there is something to be said for tenacity. I am not bad with wrenches
but have much to learn about wood , cloth and such. I suppose all in due
time!
I hade the opportunity to speak with another builder last night from
Arizona, he asked how big I was, I gave him the basic dimensions, he
said I had better consider adding a few inches to the width of the
cockpit section, I am not certain how that's going to happen, so if
anyone has been faced with that or a krash weight reduction plan I again
am really interested , especially in the preplanning stages. Lots easier
to build in the change from the start of the build than to go making
after the fact modifications.
Well again thanks for any help , words of wisdom and advise you are
able to offer as I continue to study and research.
John Recine
newby builder
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Dear Noel,
Thanks very much for your replies. Based on your and Bill Church's
replies I'm gathering that I've got on my hands a CO2 engine. I'm
missing, however, the knowlege and means to make her work. We'll see...
Kind regards,
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: noel anderson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor ID
Hi Alan. Another thourght on the model engin, it could be compressed
air, I recall some of the older designs from the "30's used a bicycle
pump to force air into a chamber!! Regards Noel in NZ
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Subject: | Re: Riveting tanks -- was Rusty tank |
Hmm. Well THAT didn't come out right. To be clear, I really
appreciate the comments (and there were lots of them) about having a
new tank built from aluminum (or building one and have a welder
finish it up). Also, I greatly appreciate the time and effort several
listers expended to send me drawings and insights.
I am too cheap, and $450 seems like a lot of money, but I'll get over
it! As Corky and others have said, there's cheap and then there's the
cost of replacing the plane, or me, etc.
Thanks again, gang.
Jeff
>Dan,
>
>Thanks so much for the information. Yours is the first reply that
>didn't amount to "throw $450 at the problem and it'll go away",
>though I do appreciate the time and considerations others took in
>making suggestions.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeff
>
>>Jeff,
>>
>>If you choose to build the tank using rivets and sealant, talk to
>>the RV (Vans type) guys. All RVs use that type of tank (mine
>>included), so it is definitely an option. If you choose to rivet
>>the tank, use 2024 T3 aluminum -- preferably .032 inch thick. (See
>>why below.) You will have to keep the bend radius great enough to
>>avoid cracking it -- perhaps 1/4 inch. But this means that it can
>>be lighter and stronger than a welded tank. The Proseal sealant
>>makes this a really messy job. Most of the RV guys agree that it
>>is one of the worst parts of building the airplane.
>>
>>I helped a friend do some riveting on his Emeraude tank made of
>>.050 soft aluminum, and it was hard to keep from bending the rivets
>>over. That aluminum was just too soft to support a long rivet
>>while driving or squeezing it. If you weld it you will have to use
>>soft (5000 series, I think) aluminum -- see Aircraft Spruce catalog
>>for good info. Hope this helps,
>>
>>Dan Hopper
>>
>>Have the Piet plans but haven't decided to start it yet.
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 5/26/2006 10:35:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>jboatri@emory.edu writes:
>>
>>Corky,
>>
>>I've been having a heck of a time finding someone to weld aluminum.
>>You'd think in a metro area like Atlanta I'd have no problem, yet
>>it's been three weeks of me and my Piet partner asking around at
>>EAA meetings and small airports with no luck. No doubt there people
>>to do the job, but we've had no luck finding them.
>>
>>What do you think about the strategy of building one using rivets
>>and seam sealant?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor
>Department of Ophthalmology
>Emory University School of Medicine
>Atlanta, GA 30322
>Editor-in-Chief
>Molecular Vision
>http://www.molvis.org/
--
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Associate Professor
Department of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, GA 30322
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
http://www.molvis.org/
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Yup,same Bear only you guys states side call him Smokey and we call him
Jack;don't feed the Bears! Especially on the highway! ;-)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Sent: May 26, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rats !
I thought his name was Smokey?
Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Jack the Bear is that Bear that used to do the commercials for forest
fires(wears the troopers hat),remember him.He's still around but you
don't hear too much about him anymore so we like to kind of keep him in
the for front by mentioning his name every once in a while. ;-)
Remember don't feed the Bears either!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@aol.com
Sent: May 26, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
That's great!
But tell me, seriously, who is Jack the Bear? I had a Canadian friend a
long time ago when we raced stock cars (Earl Ross was his name) who used
to say that his car was running like Jack the Bear. Now I say it
sometimes too, but don't know who Jack the Bear is when people ask me.
Thanks, Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
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In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:53:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
C-IOVC is just about ready to go;wing root covers,weight and
balance,brake adjustment,eyebrow scoops for engine,avgas and the
blessing of two AME's and we are jack the bear!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: May 26, 2006 8:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rats !
Yea, you are right Mike, this newsgroup has been a little quite
lately. But that is probably a good sign, I guess people realized that
nothing was getting built in the garage when they were spending all
their time beating on a keyboard in the office.
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As far as building goes I did finish my left wing (except for
varnish, cover and paint), so actually I guess I haven't really
"finished" it have I? Never mind, I will let you know when I have
'really' finished it.
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Rick
On 5/26/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
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Subject: | Flying the Alaska Highway |
New topic: Alaska Highway, or the Alcan to Alaska.
Yes, we still have the 3rd edition of the "Logbook," Flying to, from and in
Alaska. They are available by calling the office here at 907-245-1251.
Dee
The Alaska Airmen's Association has a book with the resources along the
way..
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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Subject: | FW: Flying the Alaska Highway...? |
FYI, call the Alaska Airmen's Association and get the Logbook, this is a
must resource for pilots coming up to Alaska.
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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From: Alaska Airmen's Association [mailto:info@alaskaairmen.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: Flying the Alaska Highway...?
Yes, we still have the 3rd edition of the "Logbook," Flying to, from and in
Alaska. They are available by calling the office here at 245-1251.
Dee
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Stapleton [mailto:foto@alaska.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: Flying the Alaska Highway...?
Importance: High
I have several contacts that are flying up the Alaska highway this summer
and are looking for info. Didn't the AAA used to have a book, and material
to help Lower 48 pilots with their trips.Also I remember a log or something
that they sign when the make it.
Can you advise so I can post it on a list serve, I couldn't find it on the
web site.
Cheers,
Rob Stapleton
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear, Memorial Day |
I agree. Having the ends flush and tight only makes sense.
At the fuselage end, for instance, there's only two bolts
holding it in place. That's not enough to take all the force
generated in landing, especially over years of service. Also
there would be a twisting action on the fitting. With the leg
flush and tight to the fuse bottom the force is transmitted
straight up the leg and onto the bottom of the fuselage. It
is true that there is a sliding component at that joint but
that's mitigated by the tight slot that the metal plate sits in.
Make it all as tight and true as possible.
Now, in the spirit of unquieting the doldrums, I have been
on a roll. The tail feathers are all together, the cables all
made up, installed and adjusted to my satisfaction
( including the 3/32 bracecables) now when I sit and make
engine noises things actually happen back there as I mash
the controls around. Also the two side strips are mounted.
And the tailwheel. I haven't figured out what I'm going to do
to control that yet though.
I still haven't collected enough rubber bands to play lawn
dart. Which will come first. Finish the plane or collect
the requisite rubber band launch power. :-)
One of our childhood pastimes was to throw lawn darts
over the house and hit a newspaper on the other side.
We actually got to be able to hit the damn thing.
It's no wonder the youth today are in such sad shape.
No lawn darts.
Clif, on the wild, wild western shores of Nort America.
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Mine fit nice and tight, flush against the bottom of the fuselage, and
flush against the "V-Blocks" at the bottom.
Jack Phillips
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