---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/01/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:32 AM - cable vibration--tailsection (Michael D Cuy) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Tail brace wires (Gene Beenenga) 3. 05:35 AM - Model A fuel lines (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 01:31 PM - Corvair Wings & Wheels Fly-In, Alliance, OH - This Weekend! (Kip and Beth Gardner) 5. 02:11 PM - Re: cable vibration--tailsection (Don Emch) 6. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: cable vibration--tailsection () 7. 11:32 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 8. 11:33 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:45 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable vibration--tailsection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Don-- I see the same thing. I never tried to stop the vibration. Everything back there is in propwash and turbulence and I figured as long as I did things to the plans, using cable tho instead of hardwire, I'd be fine. Don't let that bother you. If you twang the tail brace cables on other Piets they are usually not super tight and I figure nobody talks about the big tailbrace cable or structure failures so we don't have to worry. You know Don Helmick and the boys there at Valley City. When I got my Piet done, Don Helmick walked around the tail surfaced and twanged each of the brace wires to see if they were about in the same tune---that is all he cared about so good enough for Don H. , good enough for me. Keeping the tail surfaces true and not twisted is the key there I think in the big picture. What does surprise me on Piets is how many have loose or fairly loose X brace cables between the wing strut bays. I would think those should be fairly tight-- I know mine are very snug. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:47 AM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail brace wires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga Sometime, when you get the opportunity....look at the "tail feathers" on a B-25....that makes one wonder.... Of course it was also wartime and whether it was flapping tail feathers or enemy bullets or flak, it was just another the day on the job. Mean Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Don Emch >Sent: May 31, 2006 9:51 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail brace wires > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > >Hi guys... >For those of you flying, do your tail brace wires vibrate in flight? I had a couple vibrating so I tightened them and didn't see much change. It's really only two that I usually see. I can make them stop with application of rudder or elevator. Do you guys see this much? I asked one very experienced Piet driver and he said "oh yeah, just don't look back there". I can't help it though I keep looking! >Don Emch > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37797#37797 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:21 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A fuel lines Hi Santiago, Everybody is right about using 3/8" lines. Please be sure you have excellent books or references to follow as you construct your fuel system as this is the NUMBER ONE cause of engine failures. You can't do better than the Tony Bingeles books for starters. Be sure you use flexible tubing where needed for vibration, avoid running the lines uphill anywhere, install a gascolator at the lowest point for water, AND make sure your tank sump in the wing tank is at the lowest point and will drain all the water from the tank WHEN THE PLANE IS ON THE GROUND. Be sure to install a screen finger filter in the tank, and an inline fuel filter that you can ck easily and that is easily replacable, with your gascolator being the third filter in the system. It astounds me how much stuff shows up in my inline filter even after I've assured myself that the system is completely clean. Found what looked like rust the other day and there is NO steel in the entire system, including the tank (my engine is on a test stand) which goes to show you how many foreign objects are introduced into our fuel systems from the pump. In short, this system seems simple, and it is, but it demands perfection in design and assembly because it could hold your life in it's hands and it has proven historically to be a problematic system. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:34 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Wings & Wheels Fly-In, Alliance, OH - This Weekend! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner Hi Everyone, One last reminder that EAA Chapter 82 will be hosting the "Corvair Wings & Wheels" Fly-IN this Friday-Sun. (June 2-4) at Barber Airport (2D1, Detroit Sectional) in Alliance, OH We expect both corvair-powered planes (any Piets planning on coming?) and hopefuly a good showing of folks from CORSA - The Corvair Society of America. Barber airport is a great, laid-back grass strip - no chain-link anywhere! Camping on the field. Pancake Breakfast Sat. & Sun. Hope to see some of you there! Kip Gardner -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection From: "Don Emch" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" Mike... I am surprised too to see how many Piets have flying wires that seem to be loose. I don't have any vibration with those. My tail wires don't seem to be very bad it's just that they all have about the same tension and if I tighten just one or two it kind of throws off the whole thing. I really don't want to tighten them all because they 'feel' tight enough now, based on others I've felt. If Don Helmick felt it important that they have similar tension then I would believe him. He's been around the patch a few times with these things! Thanks again Mike. Don Emch P.S. I moved my plane to York Field which is only a few minutes from my house so I'm not hangering with Frank anymore [Crying or Very sad] . I am going to try to make it over to Barber for the Fly-in this weekend though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37931#37931 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mine are rods not cable and they can be tightened by turning them into the rod ends that are threaded.I used a level and a protractor(the kind they sell for stud installation)to set it up as close as I could to a right angle of 90 degrees for the vertical stab and horizontal stab.They seem pretty tight.The other cables that cross at the struts are tight enough to play a tune on em.Taxi test will commence tomorrow.Should also get wing root covers on if all goes well.All I need after that are scoops for air intake and a cover over the rear of the carb heat muff.There is one more minor thing but that won't stop me from flyin.I need to attach a gas line from the upper wing tank to the lower main tank.I will also install a shut off valve as well.There is already a tube of aluminum coming out of the lower tank ready for me to connect up to but it's not threaded.I might use one of those new pressure type connectors here.Not sure as yet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: June 1, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" Mike... I am surprised too to see how many Piets have flying wires that seem to be loose. I don't have any vibration with those. My tail wires don't seem to be very bad it's just that they all have about the same tension and if I tighten just one or two it kind of throws off the whole thing. I really don't want to tighten them all because they 'feel' tight enough now, based on others I've felt. If Don Helmick felt it important that they have similar tension then I would believe him. He's been around the patch a few times with these things! Thanks again Mike. Don Emch P.S. I moved my plane to York Field which is only a few minutes from my house so I'm not hangering with Frank anymore [Crying or Very sad] . I am going to try to make it over to Barber for the Fly-in this weekend though. 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