---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/02/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 AM - ferry gas tank installation (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 09:24 AM - Kevlar Drag Wires (Tom Bernie) 3. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: cable vibration--tailsection (Barry Davis) 4. 10:47 AM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Phillips, Jack) 5. 10:56 AM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Hans Vander Voort) 6. 11:53 AM - Stromberg Carb for sale (KMHeide) 7. 12:18 PM - Re: Stromberg Carb for sale (bike.mike) 8. 12:19 PM - Stromberg Carb for sale (KMHeide) 9. 12:27 PM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Tom Bernie) 10. 12:39 PM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Phillips, Jack) 11. 12:39 PM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Tom Bernie) 12. 01:02 PM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Tom Bernie) 13. 01:19 PM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Hans Vander Voort) 14. 01:37 PM - Re: Kevlar Drag Wires (Tom Bernie) 15. 01:53 PM - inter-cylinder baffles (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 02:17 PM - Model A fuel lines (santiago morete) 17. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: cable vibration--tailsection () 18. 05:12 PM - Re: Stromberg Carb for sale (Roger & Barb) 19. 07:07 PM - Stromberg Carb For Sale (KMHeide) 20. 07:19 PM - Re: ferry gas tank installation (Dick Navratil) 21. 07:37 PM - Re: Stromberg Carb For Sale (John Hofmann) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:03 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry gas tank installation Hey guys, a new topic! My piet (model A) has a wing tank which holes 12.5 gallons. Since it is a tailskid plane I'll be limited to grass strips on any cross countries I might try, like to Brodhead (Lord willing!) I can see that carrying some extra fuel in the front cockpit could come in very handy, and I was thinking it would be VERY handy if I could transfer fuel from that tank to my wing tank in flight. I was thinking that it should be easy enough to use a boat type gas tank with an inline handpump to pump fuel up to the wing where an inlite tube could be welded/brazed in the filler neck. When I wasn't using this system, this inlet tube in the neck would have a screw on cap. It sounds fairly straight forward, am I missing something that would cause problems? I know the cockpit tank has to be well secured as that has caused problems in the past. IF the inlet tube is in the gas tank neck, it won't interfere with the workings of the tank, and I'll still have the forward facing vent in the slipstream. Fly until the wing tank is low, then pump,pump,pump until it is full again and not have to deviate to find a grass strip and go into town for auto fuel. fire away... Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:04 AM PST US From: "Tom Bernie" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires Folks, Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable (Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical properties look great. Thanks, Tom Bernie ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:11 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" Harv How did you make your rod style braces? What are they made of and what do the ends look like? Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > Mine are rods not cable and they can be tightened by turning them into > the rod ends that are threaded.I used a level and a protractor(the kind > they sell for stud installation)to set it up as close as I could to a > right angle of 90 degrees for the vertical stab and horizontal stab.They > seem pretty tight.The other cables that cross at the struts are tight > enough to play a tune on em.Taxi test will commence tomorrow.Should also > get wing root covers on if all goes well.All I need after that are > scoops for air intake and a cover over the rear of the carb heat > muff.There is one more minor thing but that won't stop me from flyin.I > need to attach a gas line from the upper wing tank to the lower main > tank.I will also install a shut off valve as well.There is already a > tube of aluminum coming out of the lower tank ready for me to connect up > to but it's not threaded.I might use one of those new pressure type > connectors here.Not sure as yet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch > Sent: June 1, 2006 5:11 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > Mike... > I am surprised too to see how many Piets have flying wires that seem to > be loose. I don't have any vibration with those. My tail wires don't > seem to be very bad it's just that they all have about the same tension > and if I tighten just one or two it kind of throws off the whole thing. > I really don't want to tighten them all because they 'feel' tight enough > now, based on others I've felt. If Don Helmick felt it important that > they have similar tension then I would believe him. He's been around > the patch a few times with these things! Thanks again Mike. > Don Emch > P.S. I moved my plane to York Field which is only a few minutes from my > house so I'm not hangering with Frank anymore [Crying or Very sad] . I > am going to try to make it over to Barber for the Fly-in this weekend > though. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37931#37931 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires From: "Phillips, Jack" I would want to investigate their ability to withstand UV radiation. Most plastics degrade in the presence of UV Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Bernie Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires Folks, Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable (Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical properties look great. Thanks, Tom Bernie Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. 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Hans "Tom Bernie" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires 06/02/2006 11:22 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Folks, Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable (Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical properties look great. Thanks, Tom Bernie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:52 AM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb for sale Stromberg Carb completely rebuilt... The jet is installed and set for a corvair engine. $600.00 Firm do not archive Ken Fargo, ND __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:15 PM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb for sale I assume there's more to this story. ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide To: Pietenpol Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb for sale ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:41 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb for sale I have a completely rebuilt Stromberg Carb for sale that is ready to put on your Corvair engine. It is jetted for the corvair engine. Carb was sent out to a aircraft mechanic to be rebuild. Must sell $600.00 firm Ken Heide Fargo __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:41 PM PST US From: Tom Bernie Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires From: "Phillips, Jack" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tom Bernie Should be fine then. The other concern would be how to attach and adjust it. I assume there is hardware available to attach it to the plane and adjust its tension? I'm sure kevlar is lighter than steel, and stronger and stiffer. Is it cheap enough to consider? Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Bernie Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires Jack, This cable us used on antenna towers -- it has a full uv protection jacket. Tom -----Original Message----- From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Jun 2, 2006 1:47 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires =09 =09 =09 I would want to investigate their ability to withstand UV radiation. Most plastics degrade in the presence of UV Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Bernie Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:22 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires Folks, Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable (Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical properties look great. Thanks, Tom Bernie Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. 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Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N= orsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:47 PM PST US From: Tom Bernie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tom Bernie Hans, The tower instructions call for tensioning to 15% breaking strength then under that load it relaxes to 10% over a period of 30 days. Tower builders seem to consider it equivalent to galvanized. I'm trying to get elasticity or dymanic stretching data. It weighs nothing and at .22" dia and 2100# breaking strength, it costs $.59 @ foot. Regards, Tom Bernie -----Original Message----- >From: Hans Vander Voort >Sent: Jun 2, 2006 1:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Cc: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com, pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort > >Too elastic ? > >Hans > > > > "Tom Bernie" > nk.net> To > Sent by: > owner-pietenpol-l cc > ist-server@matron > ics.com Subject > Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires > > 06/02/2006 11:22 > AM > > > Please respond to > pietenpol-list@ma > tronics.com > > > > >Folks, > > >Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable >(Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical >properties look great. > > >Thanks, > > >Tom Bernie > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:51 PM PST US From: Tom Bernie Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires From: Hans Vander Voort --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort Tom, I googled the elasticity modulus Kevlar 49 has a elasticity modulus of 120 Gpa Carbon Steel has a elasticity modulus of 210 Gpa The higher the number the lower the elasticity. Kevlar has a higher fatigue life than steel, due to being more elastic. Probably Kevlar would be more suited as use in bracing wires, where there is a lot of vibration, or control cables where there is a lot of bending. Inside the wing with no turbulence and no bending I would not use it, the additional stretching might exceed the limits of the wood structure. Then again the certified aircraft builders Boeing and Airbus seem to use Kevlar in secondary structures, why not in primary ? Hans Tom Bernie To Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires 06/02/2006 02:38 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tom Bernie Hans, The tower instructions call for tensioning to 15% breaking strength then under that load it relaxes to 10% over a period of 30 days. Tower builders seem to consider it equivalent to galvanized. I'm trying to get elasticity or dymanic stretching data. It weighs nothing and at .22" dia and 2100# breaking strength, it costs $.59 @ foot. Regards, Tom Bernie -----Original Message----- >From: Hans Vander Voort >Sent: Jun 2, 2006 1:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Cc: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com, pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort > >Too elastic ? > >Hans > > > "Tom Bernie" > nk.net> To > Sent by: > owner-pietenpol-l cc > ist-server@matron > ics.com Subject > Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires > > 06/02/2006 11:22 > AM > > > Please respond to > pietenpol-list@ma > tronics.com > > > > >Folks, > > >Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable >(Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical >properties look great. > > >Thanks, > > >Tom Bernie > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:26 PM PST US From: Tom Bernie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tom Bernie Thanks for looking that up Hans. I'm drooling over the weight aspect, but guess I'll take the conservative approach and stick with steel. Tom -----Original Message----- >From: Hans Vander Voort >Sent: Jun 2, 2006 4:18 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort > >Tom, > >I googled the elasticity modulus > >Kevlar 49 has a elasticity modulus of 120 Gpa >Carbon Steel has a elasticity modulus of 210 Gpa > >The higher the number the lower the elasticity. > >Kevlar has a higher fatigue life than steel, due to being more elastic. > >Probably Kevlar would be more suited as use in bracing wires, where there >is a lot of vibration, or control cables where there is a lot of bending. >Inside the wing with no turbulence and no bending I would not use it, the >additional stretching might exceed the limits of the wood structure. > >Then again the certified aircraft builders Boeing and Airbus seem to use >Kevlar in secondary structures, why not in primary ? > >Hans > > > > Tom Bernie > nk.net> To > Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > owner-pietenpol-l cc > ist-server@matron > ics.com Subject > Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag > Wires > 06/02/2006 02:38 > PM > > > Please respond to > pietenpol-list@ma > tronics.com > > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tom Bernie > >Hans, > >The tower instructions call for tensioning to 15% breaking strength then >under that load it relaxes to 10% over a period of 30 days. Tower builders >seem to consider it equivalent to galvanized. I'm trying to get elasticity >or dymanic stretching data. It weighs nothing and at .22" dia and 2100# >breaking strength, it costs $.59 @ foot. > >Regards, >Tom Bernie > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Hans Vander Voort >>Sent: Jun 2, 2006 1:55 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Cc: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com, >pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires >> >>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort > >> >>Too elastic ? >> >>Hans >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> "Tom Bernie" > >> >> nk.net> To > >> Sent by: > >> owner-pietenpol-l cc > >> ist-server@matron > >> ics.com Subject > >> Pietenpol-List: Kevlar Drag Wires > >> > >> 06/02/2006 11:22 > >> AM > >> > >> > >> Please respond to > >> pietenpol-list@ma > >> tronics.com > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >>Folks, >> >> >> >> >> >>Anybody have any thoughts about the advisability of using Kevlar cable >>(Phillystran) for Drag/Anti Drag wires? On the surface, the physical >>properties look great. >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>Tom Bernie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:36 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: inter-cylinder baffles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" I finally got around to taking a couple of photos of the small baffles that are used on the underside of the cylinders on small Continentals. I put them on a webpage along with the drawing of how they are made, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/baffle.html and for scaling the layout, the drawing shows a grid of 1" squares. A similar setup is required on VWs and Corvairs as "cooling tin". Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:14 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A fuel lines Thanks to all . I will use 3/8 for my fuel line. Santiago __________________________________________________ Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam gratis! Abr tu cuenta ya! - http://correo.yahoo.com.ar ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection From: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: I am not sure what is made from.I will ask the AME.I will take pics and send them back to you next time I go to the field(tomorrow if all goes well). -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: June 2, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" Harv How did you make your rod style braces? What are they made of and what do the ends look like? Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > Mine are rods not cable and they can be tightened by turning them into > the rod ends that are threaded.I used a level and a protractor(the kind > they sell for stud installation)to set it up as close as I could to a > right angle of 90 degrees for the vertical stab and horizontal stab.They > seem pretty tight.The other cables that cross at the struts are tight > enough to play a tune on em.Taxi test will commence tomorrow.Should also > get wing root covers on if all goes well.All I need after that are > scoops for air intake and a cover over the rear of the carb heat > muff.There is one more minor thing but that won't stop me from flyin.I > need to attach a gas line from the upper wing tank to the lower main > tank.I will also install a shut off valve as well.There is already a > tube of aluminum coming out of the lower tank ready for me to connect up > to but it's not threaded.I might use one of those new pressure type > connectors here.Not sure as yet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch > Sent: June 1, 2006 5:11 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable vibration--tailsection > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > Mike... > I am surprised too to see how many Piets have flying wires that seem to > be loose. I don't have any vibration with those. My tail wires don't > seem to be very bad it's just that they all have about the same tension > and if I tighten just one or two it kind of throws off the whole thing. > I really don't want to tighten them all because they 'feel' tight enough > now, based on others I've felt. If Don Helmick felt it important that > they have similar tension then I would believe him. He's been around > the patch a few times with these things! Thanks again Mike. > Don Emch > P.S. I moved my plane to York Field which is only a few minutes from my > house so I'm not hangering with Frank anymore [Crying or Very sad] . I > am going to try to make it over to Barber for the Fly-in this weekend > though. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37931#37931 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:56 PM PST US From: Roger & Barb Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb for sale --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:54 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb For Sale I have a rebuild Stromberg Carb (by a professional aricraft mechanic) which is jetted for a Corvair engine rated at 90 HP. Excellent condition $600.00 firm Ken Fargo, ND __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:39 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ferry gas tank installation Douwe You might want to try the following fuel test. Bring your tail up to level, climb in and sit for 2 hours. You can listen to the radio and look around, but after 2 hours, ask yourself how much fuel do you really need? Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry gas tank installation Hey guys, a new topic! My piet (model A) has a wing tank which holes 12.5 gallons. Since it is a tailskid plane I'll be limited to grass strips on any cross countries I might try, like to Brodhead (Lord willing!) I can see that carrying some extra fuel in the front cockpit could come in very handy, and I was thinking it would be VERY handy if I could transfer fuel from that tank to my wing tank in flight. I was thinking that it should be easy enough to use a boat type gas tank with an inline handpump to pump fuel up to the wing where an inlite tube could be welded/brazed in the filler neck. When I wasn't using this system, this inlet tube in the neck would have a screw on cap. It sounds fairly straight forward, am I missing something that would cause problems? I know the cockpit tank has to be well secured as that has caused problems in the past. IF the inlet tube is in the gas tank neck, it won't interfere with the workings of the tank, and I'll still have the forward facing vent in the slipstream. Fly until the wing tank is low, then pump,pump,pump until it is full again and not have to deviate to find a grass strip and go into town for auto fuel. fire away... Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb For Sale From: John Hofmann --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann On 6/2/06 9:06 PM, "KMHeide" wrote: For some reason Kens message is not in the body of the email. I was able to recover it from the source code. Please respond to him and not me! His message below -john- I have a rebuild Stromberg Carb (by a professional aricraft mechanic) which is jetted for a Corvair engine rated at 90 HP. Excellent condition $600.00 firm Ken Fargo, ND