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1. 08:01 AM - Insurance (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 11:35 AM - Re: Insurance (Jeff Boatright)
3. 12:28 PM - insurance (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 05:29 PM - Re: insurance (Rick Holland)
5. 05:47 PM - Re: insurance (HelsperSew@aol.com)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Speaking of Great Plains Aircraft co. (VW conversions), for what ever
this is worth, they claim that their engines are fully insurable.
Interesting since like the Corvair, they are not certified aircraft
engines. Corky: I think the reason insurances companies are such a bite
in the rear, lays more in the lawyer (law suit) side of the problem. You
ought to hear all of the lawyer commercials that run during our local
news shows. They essentially say "does someone out there have more money
than you? Would you like t have some of his money? Well, give us a
call......" One of the local schisters even has an old has been tv star,
David McCallum hawking his law suits. 40 years ago he was Napoleon Solo
of the old Man from UNCLE secret agent show. And law schools continue to
do a flood of business. On another note, The Harbor Tool catalog shows a
digital pocket scale that looks like it would be perfect for weighing
small batches of epoxy. It weighs up to 17.64 oz. (500 grams) Only
$14.99 Item # 93543-OAPH. I haven't seen it in the stores, so at least
for now it must be strictly a catalog item. DO NOT ARCHIVE Leon S,
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Tort losses are what insurance companies want you to blame. It's an
easy bogey man. Tort losses may be part of the equation, but more
importantly it lies what insurance companies really are - investment
firms. Follow the investments. When insurance companies are making
money from investments, they insure more broadly and for lower
premiums. As their investments return less (maybe a dip in the market
or just plain poor judgement or bad luck), they tighten up on what
they're willing to insure. Ultimately, you pay more in premiums when
insurance company investors make bad decisions.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
Just flooby-dust on a Sunday afternoon.
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
>Speaking of Great Plains Aircraft co. (VW conversions), for what ever
>this is worth, they claim that their engines are fully insurable.
>Interesting since like the Corvair, they are not certified aircraft
>engines. Corky: I think the reason insurances companies are such a bite
>in the rear, lays more in the lawyer (law suit) side of the problem. You
>ought to hear all of the lawyer commercials that run during our local
>news shows. They essentially say "does someone out there have more money
>than you? Would you like t have some of his money? Well, give us a
>call......" One of the local schisters even has an old has been tv star,
>David McCallum hawking his law suits. 40 years ago he was Napoleon Solo
>of the old Man from UNCLE secret agent show. And law schools continue to
>do a flood of business....
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, GA 30322
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
http://www.molvis.org/
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
I had the same experience with Falcon as Corky has related... all the
appropriate info needed for each listed pilot, then they quoted the rate and
only insured the plane with the listed insured pilots. I just had myself
and Charlie insured; we both have plenty of tailwheel time. My first year's
insurance expired long ago and I've not renewed it since the airplane is not
flyable at the moment, but long hours thinking about it have led me to the
same conclusion Corky arrived at... no insurance. I'm going barefoot from
now on.
The only hesitancy I have is based on discussions I've seen on lists like
these where people say it's selfish, evil, and criminal (well, not really)
for the operator of an experimental aircraft to not carry at least liability
insurance, to protect the public and others from the operator's acts. After
all, it isn't the fault of someone in a house on the ground if a plane
crashes into their house, and the pilot/owner should at least have liability
insurance.
Just like I don't think I'll ever go back to try to get my instrument ticket
again, I don't think I'll ever get insurance. Just a little low, slow, no
radio, no electrics flying. So shoot me.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I agree with you Oscar, I may go the same way when the time comes.
Rick
On 6/11/06, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <
> taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> I had the same experience with Falcon as Corky has related... all the
> appropriate info needed for each listed pilot, then they quoted the rate
> and
> only insured the plane with the listed insured pilots. I just had myself
> and Charlie insured; we both have plenty of tailwheel time. My first
> year's
> insurance expired long ago and I've not renewed it since the airplane is
> not
> flyable at the moment, but long hours thinking about it have led me to the
> same conclusion Corky arrived at... no insurance. I'm going barefoot from
> now on.
>
> The only hesitancy I have is based on discussions I've seen on lists like
> these where people say it's selfish, evil, and criminal (well, not really)
> for the operator of an experimental aircraft to not carry at least
> liability
> insurance, to protect the public and others from the operator's
> acts. After
> all, it isn't the fault of someone in a house on the ground if a plane
> crashes into their house, and the pilot/owner should at least have
> liability
> insurance.
>
> Just like I don't think I'll ever go back to try to get my instrument
> ticket
> again, I don't think I'll ever get insurance. Just a little low, slow, no
> radio, no electrics flying. So shoot me.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Oscar,
I too, am fed up with blood-sucking insurance companies. After dutifully
paying premiums for umpteen years it comes time for them to uphold their end
of the bargain, its like pulling teeth to get them to pay off. I am very
tired of working working working just to pay pay pay. I think I am going to go
along with you and just take my chances and be self-insured. I don't have
that much to take so come and get it. Bring the truck and I'll even help load
it up. Dan H
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