---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/18/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: aging eyesight aid (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: aging eyesight aid () 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Corvair (Gene Beenenga) 4. 09:30 AM - Re: Corvair (Rick Holland) 5. 11:39 AM - Re: Engine selection (Graham Hansen) 6. 12:02 PM - Re: aging eyesight aid (Clif Dawson) 7. 01:36 PM - stick-on bifocals (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 02:00 PM - Ear pieces, WAS: aging eyesight aid (Jeff Boatright) 9. 07:54 PM - Re: stick-on bifocals () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:50 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aging eyesight aid --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson I found it! This is somewhat expensive but what the heck, it's a one time expense and you'll look like a real old time aviator instead of a Disney character. http://www.pantherelectronics.com/dual_headset.html Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" > > > Thinking of helmet and goggles makes me wonder if anyone else has found > a solution to a dilemma I have found. In these modern times of aviation > and radios, trying to get goggles to fit over the ear-cups of a headset > has proven rather difficult. If the straps go over the cups, the > goggles ride up and if the straps go over then the goggles won't sit > down and seal. I'd like to stay with old looking goggles, but may have > to resort to bigger ski-goggles. > > Anyone else find a solution? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:07 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aging eyesight aid --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Does she come with the gear? Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: June 18, 2006 3:03 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson I found it! This is somewhat expensive but what the heck, it's a one time expense and you'll look like a real old time aviator instead of a Disney character. http://www.pantherelectronics.com/dual_headset.html Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" > > > Thinking of helmet and goggles makes me wonder if anyone else has found > a solution to a dilemma I have found. In these modern times of aviation > and radios, trying to get goggles to fit over the ear-cups of a headset > has proven rather difficult. If the straps go over the cups, the > goggles ride up and if the straps go over then the goggles won't sit > down and seal. I'd like to stay with old looking goggles, but may have > to resort to bigger ski-goggles. > > Anyone else find a solution? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:29 AM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga Scott, I have an opportunity to purchase a "second" 140hp 1965 Corvair, from the same guy that gave me the 110hp I have on my Grega now. I think it will be a good investment either way. I am purchasing the new "internals" to re-build my engine this winter. I went to Mid America VW show a couple weeks ago in Effingham and watched some VW engines go for 1K to 1.2K, I have a good 1600 cc that I think I will take next year and see if I can get $1500. for it. I am installing the hydralic brakes (front and rear) and the rudder pedals this week end in my Grega. Did I tell you I went to Mexico, MO a few weeks back. WW was there to pick up his 701 and put on a "talk show" there at the Zenith hanger. They flew their 601 and a couple of KR's. Maybe I will see you at Brodhead in July. Gene, ps enjoy the moving! (I have informed my 3 daughters that I am getting too old for that stuff!) -----Original Message----- >From: Robison Family >Sent: Jun 17, 2006 10:52 PM >To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair > >Gene, > >I've still have both Corvair cases. I've been looking around on the internet and I've came to the conclusion that Continentals aren't that much more expensive than a Corvair. I haven't purchased one just yet. I'm in this project with my father-in-law who is leaning to the Continental. It will help speed up the project. I will build a Corvair at some point. doesn't look like I'll be seeing ya at Frasca. We're trying to get moved into our new home. > >Scott Robison > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:01 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Interesting, I have been planning on going with a Corvair also (have a core engine disassembled in my garage). But since I don't have an uncle with a machine shop to make the parts for me I have figured the cost for parts and machine work alone around $5500 and thats if I haven't forgotten anything (which I probably have). I have found used O-200s with 400 - 800 hours on them for $7000 - $8000 supposedly ready to run (I need the 100hp because of my 7000-10000 ft airport density altitude). Was thinking that resale value on a Continental would be good also. I know that their are a lot of risks with a used engine but with my limited knowledge of engine building their are risks with the Corvair also. Maybe you guys and some people I talk to at Broadhead and Airventure next month will help me decide. Rick H. On 6/17/06, Robison Family wrote: > > Gene, > > I've still have both Corvair cases. I've been looking around on the > internet and I've came to the conclusion that Continentals aren't that much > more expensive than a Corvair. I haven't purchased one just yet. I'm in > this project with my father-in-law who is leaning to the Continental. It > will help speed up the project. I will build a Corvair at some point. > doesn't look like I'll be seeing ya at Frasca. We're trying to get moved > into our new home. > > Scott Robison > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:32 AM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine selection Ken Heide, Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is quite a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND. For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65 Continental. Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb rate was sluggish with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise with a load, one had to work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude; there was little power in reserve to deal with downdrafts. Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least. With only a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%! The most significant improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise speed increased by about 7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not by much; even with the A65, the a/c had always seemed to perform well within ground effect. Nowadays, I have power in reserve to climb over obstacles and cope with downdrafts. When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend to forget that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to Taylorcrafts, Cubs and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these airplanes have a wingspan of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180 square feet versus the Pietenpol's 29 foot span and about 145 square feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8, making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol. When one considers that all these airplanes essentially were designed around smaller people, they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders these days. If we all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes would perform much better because that is close to what they were designed to carry. However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier these days--and the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we can do is keep them (and us) as light as possible and increase the available power (without adding too much weight, of course). In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum engine for the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and provides the same clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have a C85-12 in my Pietenpol and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version because of the rear accessory case, which makes for a tight fit between the magnetos and the firewall. (A longer engine mount would cure this problem, but I don't wish to build new cowlings, etc.) If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never designed to do. Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is extremely important. I have yet to find the very best propeller for mine--either with the A65 or the C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may find a custom propeller that is close to ideal for your airplane, but a fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise and one usually has to try out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified propellers will work, but they may not be the best for your setup. As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power. If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as light as possible in order to fly well with modest power. Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:18 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aging eyesight aid --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Send em an email. Or better yet turn up with your Piet. How could she refuse? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > Does she come with the gear? > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:07 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: stick-on bifocals --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Not to beat this topic to death, but after someone posted that they got the little stick-on bifocals for $20 at Aircraft Spruce, I did a little Google search and found them quite a bit cheaper. In fact, there is a guy on eBay that has them with a "buy it now" price of less than $10 and in packs of 4 pair, too. Same brand as what Sporty's and AS&S have them for. And they can be trimmed to fit your lenses, if needed. Worked on fabric patches on 41CC yesterday. Good ol' Poly-Fiber smells. Got all the patches fitted, cemented on, tautened, and Poly-Brushed. A little heat smoothing, then I'll hit them with silver. She looks a little like a patchwork quilt on her belly, but soon will be good as new when the color coat goes on. Still working on the brakes (off the airplane) as well as I have removed the front cabanes for sandblasting, priming, and final paint. I think that will just about do it for paint and patching on this airplane!!! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:17 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Ear pieces, WAS: Pietenpol-List: aging eyesight aid From a friend who has them for Piet flying: Clarity Aloft headsets http://www.clarityaloft.com/ I've been happy with mine. Feel good even under a full-face motorcycle helmet. I tried them with the traditional leather helmet too -- merely a dress rehearsal since I haven't flown that way yet -- but they felt fine. I'll add that he sounds great both on the intercom and on other radios - like he's in the same room and no 75hp fan blowing right next to us. At 8:50 AM -0700 6/16/06, Sayre, William G wrote: >Thanks for replying and yes, I would be interested in the new style >'phones that fit in your ears. I'm not familiar with them and will >search the web to see what I can find. That style would open up all >sorts of possibilities. > >Thanks again for the response! > >Bill -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:07 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: stick-on bifocals --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Thanks but too late;jumped the gun,already ordered and on their way. Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: June 18, 2006 4:33 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Not to beat this topic to death, but after someone posted that they got the little stick-on bifocals for $20 at Aircraft Spruce, I did a little Google search and found them quite a bit cheaper. In fact, there is a guy on eBay that has them with a "buy it now" price of less than $10 and in packs of 4 pair, too. Same brand as what Sporty's and AS&S have them for. And they can be trimmed to fit your lenses, if needed. Worked on fabric patches on 41CC yesterday. Good ol' Poly-Fiber smells. Got all the patches fitted, cemented on, tautened, and Poly-Brushed. A little heat smoothing, then I'll hit them with silver. She looks a little like a patchwork quilt on her belly, but soon will be good as new when the color coat goes on. Still working on the brakes (off the airplane) as well as I have removed the front cabanes for sandblasting, priming, and final paint. I think that will just about do it for paint and patching on this airplane!!! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net