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1. 12:08 AM - Re: Engine selection (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:15 AM - role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Michael D Cuy)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Phillips, Jack)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
5. 07:11 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier (Jim Markle)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Jack T. Textor)
7. 07:29 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Rick Holland)
8. 08:13 AM - Sugar muffins (HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 08:26 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 08:41 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (chris cummins)
11. 08:42 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Rick Holland)
12. 09:33 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Bill Church)
13. 10:21 AM - ah goodie ! (Michael D Cuy)
14. 10:28 AM - and try to wear a name badge if you can (Michael D Cuy)
15. 10:55 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier (Jeff Boatright)
16. 01:44 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier (Jeff Boatright)
17. 02:23 PM - Brodhead (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
18. 04:14 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Richard Schreiber)
19. 04:42 PM - Aeromart (HelsperSew@aol.com)
20. 07:34 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Lynn Knoll)
21. 07:42 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Dick Navratil)
22. 08:13 PM - Brodhead (Tim Willis)
23. 08:41 PM - Re: ah goodie ! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
24. 08:41 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Gene & Tammy)
25. 08:43 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! ()
26. 08:47 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Ed G.)
27. 09:17 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (gcardinal)
28. 09:24 PM - Re: Engine selection (Phillips, Jack)
29. 10:13 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Clif Dawson)
30. 10:28 PM - Can/US Travel (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Engine selection |
The paragraphs below come from our Canadian
regulations relating to minimum permissible power
and minimum permissible rate of climb.
Here's the link;
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part5/Standards/549/sub-b.htm#549.109
Clif
(a) Piston engines: To ensure that there is a reasonable expectation of
meeting the climb test requirements set out in section 549.111, the minimum
permissible rated engine power shall be determined by the following
equation:
where
Pmin = rated power of the engine(s) in kw (BHP);
b = wing span in metres (ft);
M (W) = declared maximum T.O. mass in kg (weight in lb);
C = 0.01339 (for use with fps units = 0.018) for monoplanes (including
tandem wing and canard aeroplanes); or
C = 0.01711 (for use with fps units = 0.023) for biplanes or triplanes.
(b) Turbine engines: The minimum permissible rated power/thrust will be
evaluated on an individual basis.
(Change 549-1 (93-06-30))
549.111 Performance: Rate of Climb
(a) In standard sea-level atmospheric conditions at the maximum approved
weight, the aircraft shall demonstrate the capability of climbing, as
follows:
(1) Aeroplanes: 360 m (1180 ft) in 3 minutes.
(2) Powered gliders: 300 m (984 ft) in 4 minutes.
(b) Test in conditions other than standard sea-level may be accepted by the
Minister.
Information Note: (Ref. paragraph 11 of Appendix B of AMA 549/1A)
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil"
> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Gene
> I hope you are joking about the 600-700 fpm. You may be shocked. Look
> more for 250 fpm or on a 90 degree day 100 fpm.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:33 AM
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy"
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> My thanks to all that are discussing the Pietenpol and the A65. I'm just
> in
> the act of buying one and will be flying it from the Georgia/Florida line
> to
> Western Tennessee. Your discussion has been helpful and gives me some
> idea
> what I'm in for. I'm really looking forward to the plane and the trip but
> I'm more use to 1700' a minute rather than 600 or 700' a minute. It will
> take a little getting use to but I'm excited to fly the Pietenpol. I'm
> not
> in a hurry and I'm sure it will make me a better pilot.
> Any advise from you guys and gals would be very appreciated.
> Thank You
> Gene
> Pietenpol N502R
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:55 AM
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
>> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>>
>> As always, Graham posted an outstanding reply. I concur with everything
>> he said. My Pietenpol has an A65, and it is adequate for solo flying.
>> For carrying passengers on a hot day, unless you have a long runway or
>> VERY clear approaches at your field, it can cause a bit of
>> sphincter-clinch on takeoff. It also cannot cope with much of a
>> downdraft. I'll never forget flying it across West Virginia last year on
>> the way to Brodhead. I was at 4,000' and trying to climb over a 4400'
>> ridge, climbing at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a
>> downdraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I took my EAA Flight Advisor up in mine. He weighs 205 (I
>> weigh 195) and we had a full tank of fuel (90 lbs). Adding all that to
>> my 745 lb empty weight, and we were at 1235 lbs. - a heavy load indeed.
>> OAT was 91 F, and density altitude was about 2500'. Fortunately I had
>> enough sense to not try this from the 2,000' strip with 120' trees at the
>> end where I base the plane. We flew out of Sanford, NC (TTA) where the
>> runway is 6500' long with unobstructed approaches for at least mile on
>> either end of the runway. Takeoff was impressive - we were off the
>> ground in about 600'. Climbout was less impressive, but still acceptable
>> at 150 fpm. He loved the airplane (other than its climb rate). BTW at
>> that weight, stall speed was 42 mph indicated.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had it to do over again, I would put a C-85 in it. Or fly from
>> longer airstrips. If I had tried yesterday's flight from my home field,
>> we would have impacted the trees at the end about 70 feet below the
>> treetops. If I were to build another one, I might seriously look at
>> adding 4 feet to the wingspan, which would add about 25 lbs to the
>> weight, but would add 20 sq. ft to the wing area.
>>
>>
>>
>> One other note on a topic that has been discussed recently - yesterday I
>> sealed the gaps between my elevators and horizontal stabilizer with duct
>> tape. I found a slight improvement in time to raise the tail on takeoff,
>> and about a 2 mph improvement in cruise speed. I also found that it
>> changed the trim of the airplane. Before this change I could trim the
>> plane to fly hands off using my spring trim system. Now even with full
>> nose up trim it still tends to nose down slightly, indicating that the
>> tail is providing more lift than before.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:36 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken Heide,
>>
>>
>>
>> Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is
>> quite a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND.
>>
>>
>>
>> For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65
>> Continental. Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb
>> rate was sluggish with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise
>> with a load, one had to work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude;
>> there was little power in reserve to deal with downdrafts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least.
>> With only a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%!
>> The most significant improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise
>> speed increased by about 7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not
>> by much; even with the A65, the a/c had always seemed to perform well
>> within ground effect. Nowadays, I have power in reserve to climb over
>> obstacles and cope with downdrafts.
>>
>>
>>
>> When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend
>> to forget that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to
>> Taylorcrafts, Cubs and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these
>> airplanes have a wingspan of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180
>> square feet versus the Pietenpol's 29 foot span and about 145 square
>> feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8,
>> making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol. When one considers
>> that all these airplanes essentially were designed around smaller people,
>> they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders these days. If we
>> all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes would perform
>> much better because that is close to what they were designed to carry.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier
>> these days--and the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we
>> can do is keep them (and us) as light as possible and increase the
>> available power (without adding too much weight, of course).
>>
>>
>>
>> In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum
>> engine for the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and
>> provides the same clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have
>> a C85-12 in my Pietenpol and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version
>> because of the rear accessory case, which makes for a tight fit between
>> the magnetos and the firewall. (A longer engine mount would cure this
>> problem, but I don't wish to build new cowlings, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will
>> work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never
>> designed to do. Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is
>> extremely important. I have yet to find the very best propeller for
>> mine--either with the A65 or the C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may
>> find a custom propeller that is close to ideal for your airplane, but a
>> fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise and one usually has to try
>> out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified propellers will
>> work, but they may not be the best for your setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power.
>> If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as
>> light as possible in order to fly well with modest power.
>>
>>
>>
>> Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
>>
>>
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get
the lead out and get
fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't
stop me from shaking you up
once in a while)
Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by
car, boat, or plane--who is
going to be there ?
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Not me. I've decided to sell my Pietenpol (too slow, too noisy, too
drafty, no fun) and buy a REAL airplane - a Cessna 172. Then I will
feel safe, flying only from controlled fields and always under an
instrument flight plan so I don't have to worry about some foolish pilot
in an aircraft without radios running into me.
NOT
Unfortunately, I can't make it to Brodhead (or the other Wisconsin
fly-in) this year. I am having a blast flying the Pietenpol, though.
Just got married and about to leave on a honeymoon, and can't afford to
do that and get to Wisconsin. I did suggest a honeymoon sleeping under
the stars in Wisconsin, but that didn't set too well.
Since my new bride has agreed to start building an RV-10 with me as soon
as we get back, I can't complain too much. She has also agreed that we
must always keep the Pietenpol for fun flying, no matter what kind of
fast spam can we have for travelling. Now all I've got to do is figure
out how to convince her that we need to keep the Pietenpol, the RV-4 and
the RV-10. I'm afraid the RV-4 will have to go, so we can afford to
finish the RV-10. I'll miss the aerobatics in the -4.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
D Cuy
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:12 AM
!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
get
the lead out and get
fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that
doesn't
stop me from shaking you up
once in a while)
Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
by
car, boat, or plane--who is
going to be there ?
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
Cinda and I will be there, maybe Gary Barger also. Will take a few days off
building the retirement dream hangar home and drive.
I am looking for a used Piet or GN-1 to buy Corvair or Continental. I need
an open cockpit plane to fly while I complete mine, started building 1990
and hope to get it completed 2011.
Please contact me off list.
Skip, in beautiful WV
> [Original Message]
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
by
> car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I'm flying (after a week long training session in Boston) into Chicago late
Friday night. I'll stay in Rockford Friday night then early Saturday
morning I'll drive up to Brodhead for the day...
Not too happy to be missing the other days but I'll take what I can get!
I'm SURE looking forward to it!!!
Jim in Adair, OK
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
My S-A will be there Friday and depart for OSH Sunday. Will be driving
and tenting. Look forward to meeting all!
Jack Textor
Des Moines
Tail and ribs DONE, spars started
Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
get
the lead out and get
fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that
doesn't
stop me from shaking you up
once in a while)
Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
by
car, boat, or plane--who is
going to be there ?
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
I will be there Mike. Will have a car so if anybody flying in needs a ride
into town or want me to make a beer run or something just let me know.
Rick H.
On 6/20/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
> get
> the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
> by
> car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: HelsperSew@aol.com
I will drive up on Friday and Saturday, seeing as I only live 40 miles away
(Poplar Grove Illinois). I need to get smart on all the options available
for the Ford A.
Dan Helsper
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Do Not Archive
Always a dumb question from a netter. Well here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are the Brodhead dates?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: chris cummins <cccstandard@yahoo.com>
I will be there.
Won't be flying the Piet up this year. Don't have my 40 hours flown off yet,
but I plan on flying my Chief this year.
Chris Cummins
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Weekend before Airventure, July 21,22,23.
On 6/20/06, Isablcorky@aol.com <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Always a dumb question from a netter. Well here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> What are the Brodhead dates?
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
My 15 year-old son Max says Brodhead is the highlight of his summer (and
mine too). We will be driving the 657 miles (according to Google Maps)
non-stop, and camping out under the stars for two nights (and then
driving the 657 miles back home).
Bill "sugar muffin" C. in Ontario, Canada
Do not archive
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
okay---now you guys are COOKING ! You ARE alive out there !
Good to hear from lots of you guys and those yet to respond. I'm sorry
the newlywed Jack
won't be there but he showed up in grand style last year in his pretty
green and cream Icarus Phillips, er Plummet.
I got beat up so bad in turbulence and nasty crosswind 93 F landings last
year that I'm driving up in nice a/c in
my car if I can. Will try to camp with John H. from the list and harass
whoever I can on foot Saturday late afternoon and
Sat. eve. I hope Don E. from this area can fly his Piet up. He's
really been at it for a long, long time and as
you all can see from his pics and posts---nice job.
Maybe this year I'll remember that you have to buy your Saturday night pork
chop dinner tickets AHEAD of time
at Brodhead. Chuckie G. and I almost got shutout from the eats last
year since we were oblivious to the numerous
announcements about getting your tickets earlier in the day.
And that Jim Markle from Oklahoma now is going to take some getting used
to. It was always Jim Markle from Texas.
The guy is a Clark Gable look-alike, I swear.
Mike C.
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Subject: | and try to wear a name badge if you can |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
I think last year or in years past they were handing out the sticky name
badges for guys to wear.
Boy does that help connect the dots at a place where we all know each other
by text mostly only.
Plus the name tags help you to avoid the people on the list you don't
like:))) Kidding. We all liked Chris Bobka:)
Mike C.
do not archive
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
I will be there, though I won't be able to fly the Piet. I was only
able to partially solve the fuel tank problem. Again, I appreciate
everyone's suggestions and I apologize for being a whiny baby about
the costs associated with what I think is the best solution - a new
aluminum tank!
I'd love to catch a ride in a couple of Piets to see how mine
compares in terms of handling. Hint hint... ;)
Jeff
--
_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
I will be there, though I won't be able to fly the Piet. I was only
able to partially solve the fuel tank problem. Again, I appreciate
everyone's suggestions and I apologize for being a whiny baby about
the costs associated with what I think is the best solution - a new
aluminum tank!
I'd love to catch a ride in a couple of Piets to see how mine
compares in terms of handling. Hint hint... ;)
Jeff
At 9:11 AM -0400 6/20/06, Michael D Cuy wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
>Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately.
>Let's get the lead out and get
>fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that
>doesn't stop me from shaking you up
>once in a while)
>
>Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't
>care by car, boat, or plane--who is
>going to be there ?
>
>Mike C. in Ohio
--
_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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I'm there. Leon Stefan Nickerson Ks. Do not archive.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
I plan on flying my Tripacer in from Porter Co, IN (VPZ). A short 1 hour
hop, either Frday afternoon or early Saturday morining. Looking forward to
seeing everyone again.
The following week I plan on going to Oshkosh for a few days. Will spend
some time in the fly mart scrounging parts.
Rick (learning to weld his Piet) Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2006 8:19:43 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier !
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
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>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
get
> the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that
doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
by
> car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: HelsperSew@aol.com
Rick,
Plan on being at the Oshkosh Aeromart very early on Monday to get in line
for the opening. It opens at 8:00 am but they start lining up at about 6.
They only let a maybe 50 people in at a time. I will be there at 6 myself. It
is a treasure trove of cool stuff of every conceivable nature. I bought some
cool old instruments last year. It gets picked over very quickly.
Dan Helsper
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn Knoll" <dknoll@cox.net>
Mike,
There will be two (2) S-A Piet/Vair builders from Wichita taking the 650
mile jaunt in a red VW Beetle.
Lynn & Kevin Knoll
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
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>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
> get the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
> by car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I'm coming down for sure, the only question is whether to fly the Piet or
trailer down my new radial project to show. The engine is running now.
Dick N.
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
> get the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
> by car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis <strategyguy536@yahoo.com>
The Brodhead dates are Fri Jul 21-- Sun Jul 23.
I plan to drive up and get there as early as possible on Friday. I will have
a car for errands, supplies, beer runs, etc. I will be camping there on Friday
night, but will likely move to a motel in Rockford on Saturday, for I am meeting
an old friend from Chicago who says his 75-yr.-old back doesn't do air matresses
any longer.
That's my plan for now.
Chuck Gantzer told me he was likely going up Thursday to get settled in.
Oscar has told me he cannot go this year.
Corky, are you thinking of going? I'll have the scotch this time.
I look forward to meeting you all.
Tim
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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Engine selection (Phillips, Jack)
2. 06:07 AM - GN-1 Gap Seals (Mike King)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: Engine selection (Bill Church)
4. 09:36 AM - Re: Engine selection (Gene & Tammy)
5. 09:56 AM - Re: Engine selection (Phillips, Jack)
6. 10:52 AM - Re: Engine selection (Gene & Tammy)
7. 11:08 AM - Re: Engine selection (Steve Eldredge)
8. 11:57 AM - Engine selection (HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 01:23 PM - Re: Engine selection (KMHeide)
10. 06:58 PM - Re: Engine selection (Dick Navratil)
11. 07:07 PM - radial eng chopper (Dick Navratil)
12. 07:16 PM - Re: Covering (Peter W Johnson)
13. 08:14 PM - Re: Engine selection (Gene & Tammy)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:59:13 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
As always, Graham posted an outstanding reply. I concur with everything he said.
My Pietenpol has an A65, and it is adequate for solo flying. For carrying
passengers on a hot day, unless you have a long runway or VERY clear approaches
at your field, it can cause a bit of sphincter-clinch on takeoff. It also
cannot cope with much of a downdraft. I'll never forget flying it across West
Virginia last year on the way to Brodhead. I was at 4,000' and trying to climb
over a 4400' ridge, climbing at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in
a downdraft.
Yesterday I took my EAA Flight Advisor up in mine. He weighs 205 (I weigh 195)
and we had a full tank of fuel (90 lbs). Adding all that to my 745 lb empty
weight, and we were at 1235 lbs. - a heavy load indeed. OAT was 91 F, and density
altitude was about 2500'. Fortunately I had enough sense to not try this
from the 2,000' strip with 120' trees at the end where I base the plane. We
flew out of Sanford, NC (TTA) where the runway is 6500' long with unobstructed
approaches for at least mile on either end of the runway. Takeoff was impressive
- we were off the ground in about 600'. Climbout was less impressive, but
still acceptable at 150 fpm. He loved the airplane (other than its climb rate).
BTW at that weight, stall speed was 42 mph indicated.
If I had it to do over again, I would put a C-85 in it. Or fly from longer airstrips.
If I had tried yesterday's flight from my home field, we would have impacted
the trees at the end about 70 feet below the treetops. If I were to build
another one, I might seriously look at adding 4 feet to the wingspan, which
would add about 25 lbs to the weight, but would add 20 sq. ft to the wing area.
One other note on a topic that has been discussed recently - yesterday I sealed
the gaps between my elevators and horizontal stabilizer with duct tape. I found
a slight improvement in time to raise the tail on takeoff, and about a 2 mph
improvement in cruise speed. I also found that it changed the trim of the
airplane. Before this change I could trim the plane to fly hands off using my
spring trim system. Now even with full nose up trim it still tends to nose down
slightly, indicating that the tail is providing more lift than before.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:36 PM
Ken Heide,
Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is quite
a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND.
For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65 Continental.
Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb rate was sluggish
with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise with a load, one had to
work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude; there was little power in reserve
to deal with downdrafts.
Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least. With only
a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%! The most significant
improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise speed increased by about
7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not by much; even with the A65,
the a/c had always seemed to perform well within ground effect. Nowadays, I
have power in reserve to climb over obstacles and cope with downdrafts.
When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend to forget
that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to Taylorcrafts, Cubs
and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these airplanes have a wingspan
of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180 square feet versus the Pietenpol's
29 foot span and about 145 square feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven
compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8, making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol.
When one considers that all these airplanes essentially were designed around
smaller people, they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders
these days. If we all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes
would perform much better because that is close to what they were designed to
carry.
However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier these days--and
the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we can do is keep them
(and us) as light as possible and increase the available power (without adding
too much weight, of course).
In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum engine for
the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and provides the same
clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have a C85-12 in my Pietenpol
and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version because of the rear accessory
case, which makes for a tight fit between the magnetos and the firewall. (A longer
engine mount would cure this problem, but I don't wish to build new cowlings,
etc.)
If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will work fine
for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never designed to do.
Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is extremely important. I
have yet to find the very best propeller for mine--either with the A65 or the
C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may find a custom propeller that is close to
ideal for your airplane, but a fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise
and one usually has to try out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified
propellers will work, but they may not be the best for your setup.
As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power. If I were
to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as light as possible
in order to fly well with modest power.
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
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Time: 06:07:26 AM PST US
BlankSay guys, I bought my 1985 GN-1 some years ago and it was built to pla
ns.
That means there are no gap seals on the wings nor the tail. With all this
talk
about slightly improved performance, I would like some recommendations
from those who have put gap seals on their PIETs or GN-1s after their planes
were built.
I feel changing my 69x39 McCauley metal prop on my A-80 and installing gap
seals would enhance my plane's overall performance. The plane flies slight
ly
nose high and has a spring trim but does not do much good. I am afraid
changing to a lighter wooden 72x42 prop would make the plane fly even
more nose high. So I have been hesitate to change anything on the
plane but feel changing the prop and filling in the gaps between the wings
and the horizontal stab. would improve performance during the summer
months.
As always, the bank of knowledge afforded in this group is greatly
appreciated.
Thanks.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
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Time: 08:02:08 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"
In Graham's words:
"If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will
work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never
designed to do. ... If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work
hard to keep it as light as possible in order to fly well with modest
power.".
On Saturday I spent the day at the Brussels, Ontario 17th Annual
Pietenpol gathering at Armstrong's field. I spoke a bit with Brian
Kenney, whose C-FAUK has been flying for 19 years behind a 65HP
Continental. He says he has no problem carrying 200(+)lb passengers. But
he emphasized the importance of keeping the weight of the plane down as
much as possible. I believe he said his empty weight was 587lb - so it
is possible to build lighter if we really make the effort.
As for the fly-in, it was a beautiful sunny day, with unfortunately a
strong breeze that kept the Air Campers camping (on the ground). But
there were 5 Piets (and 3 Tiger Moths) to look at and snap pictures of
and talk to owners and builders about. Our host, Jim Armstrong has been
flying his Piet out of his strip for 39 years. He even used to fly it to
school regularly for 24 years (where he was a teacher). He told me he
has about 1000 hrs on his 65HP Air Camper, which still has the original
covering (Irish Linen on the wings, Grade A cotton on the tail, and
Dacron on the fuselage). He and his son have just completed their second
Piet, which is almost identical to the first (85HP, all Dacron
covering). The second one took 30 years to complete - started as a
teenage father-son project, then got set aside for awhile, then got
resurrected and completed. Really nice finishing on this plane. Jim said
it was his first attempt at covering an entire plane, and he took great
care to ensure all the tapes were straight and neat, and he was pleased
with the results.
I took a bunch of photos, but won't get access to them to download for
about a week. As soon as I get them, I'll post a few to share.
Now I'm stoked to get building again, just like after Brodhead (which is
only five weeks away).
Bill C.
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 09:36:38 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy"
My thanks to all that are discussing the Pietenpol and the A65. I'm just in
the act of buying one and will be flying it from the Georgia/Florida line to
Western Tennessee. Your discussion has been helpful and gives me some idea
what I'm in for. I'm really looking forward to the plane and the trip but
I'm more use to 1700' a minute rather than 600 or 700' a minute. It will
take a little getting use to but I'm excited to fly the Pietenpol. I'm not
in a hurry and I'm sure it will make me a better pilot.
Any advise from you guys and gals would be very appreciated.
Thank You
Gene
Pietenpol N502R
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:55 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
>
>
> As always, Graham posted an outstanding reply. I concur with everything
> he said. My Pietenpol has an A65, and it is adequate for solo flying.
> For carrying passengers on a hot day, unless you have a long runway or
> VERY clear approaches at your field, it can cause a bit of
> sphincter-clinch on takeoff. It also cannot cope with much of a
> downdraft. I'll never forget flying it across West Virginia last year on
> the way to Brodhead. I was at 4,000' and trying to climb over a 4400'
> ridge, climbing at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a
> downdraft.
>
>
> Yesterday I took my EAA Flight Advisor up in mine. He weighs 205 (I weigh
> 195) and we had a full tank of fuel (90 lbs). Adding all that to my 745
> lb empty weight, and we were at 1235 lbs. - a heavy load indeed. OAT was
> 91 F, and density altitude was about 2500'. Fortunately I had enough
> sense to not try this from the 2,000' strip with 120' trees at the end
> where I base the plane. We flew out of Sanford, NC (TTA) where the runway
> is 6500' long with unobstructed approaches for at least mile on either
> end of the runway. Takeoff was impressive - we were off the ground in
> about 600'. Climbout was less impressive, but still acceptable at 150 fpm.
> He loved the airplane (other than its climb rate). BTW at that weight,
> stall speed was 42 mph indicated.
>
>
> If I had it to do over again, I would put a C-85 in it. Or fly from
> longer airstrips. If I had tried yesterday's flight from my home field, we
> would have impacted the trees at the end about 70 feet below the treetops.
> If I were to build another one, I might seriously look at adding 4 feet to
> the wingspan, which would add about 25 lbs to the weight, but would add 20
> sq. ft to the wing area.
>
>
> One other note on a topic that has been discussed recently - yesterday I
> sealed the gaps between my elevators and horizontal stabilizer with duct
> tape. I found a slight improvement in time to raise the tail on takeoff,
> and about a 2 mph improvement in cruise speed. I also found that it
> changed the trim of the airplane. Before this change I could trim the
> plane to fly hands off using my spring trim system. Now even with full
> nose up trim it still tends to nose down slightly, indicating that the
> tail is providing more lift than before.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:36 PM
>
>
> Ken Heide,
>
>
> Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is
> quite a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND.
>
>
> For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65
> Continental. Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb
> rate was sluggish with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise
> with a load, one had to work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude;
> there was little power in reserve to deal with downdrafts.
>
>
> Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least.
> With only a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%! The
> most significant improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise speed
> increased by about 7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not by
> much; even with the A65, the a/c had always seemed to perform well within
> ground effect. Nowadays, I have power in reserve to climb over obstacles
> and cope with downdrafts.
>
>
> When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend
> to forget that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to
> Taylorcrafts, Cubs and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these
> airplanes have a wingspan of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180
> square feet versus the Pietenpol's 29 foot span and about 145 square
> feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8,
> making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol. When one considers
> that all these airplanes essentially were designed around smaller people,
> they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders these days. If we
> all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes would perform
> much better because that is close to what they were designed to carry.
>
>
> However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier these
> days--and the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we can do is
> keep them (and us) as light as possible and increase the available power
> (without adding too much weight, of course).
>
>
> In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum engine
> for the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and provides
> the same clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have a C85-12
> in my Pietenpol and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version because of the
> rear accessory case, which makes for a tight fit between the magnetos and
> the firewall. (A longer engine mount would cure this problem, but I don't
> wish to build new cowlings, etc.)
>
>
> If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will
> work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never
> designed to do. Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is
> extremely important. I have yet to find the very best propeller for
> mine--either with the A65 or the C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may
> find a custom propeller that is close to ideal for your airplane, but a
> fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise and one usually has to try
> out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified propellers will work,
> but they may not be the best for your setup.
>
>
> As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power. If
> I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as light
> as possible in order to fly well with modest power.
>
>
> Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
>
>
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Time: 09:56:46 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
Gene,
Where in West Tennessee are you going? I'm from Jackson, TN (MKL)
originally and flew my Pietenpol there from Oshkosh last summer, after
attending the real fly-in at Brodhead. I understand there is a
Pietenpol under construction in Lexington, east of Jackson.
On the way home from Jackson to Raleigh, I landed at Pulaski, TN, and
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 6/20/2006 12:23:18 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
I got beat up so bad in turbulence and nasty crosswind 93 F landings last
year that I'm driving up in nice a/c in
my car if I can.
Wow !! Talk about a sissy boy !! Waddya mean, turbulence...that's what
seat belt harnesses are for...so ya don't get bounced outa the plane !! It
just ain't fair that your driving up in a/c !!
Yes, of course I'll be there. I'll have a handful of my DVD video's with
me, and maybe even some of the 'Building NX770CG' video. This is the fourth
summer in a row to Brodhead for me. I'm probably going to arrive on Thursday,
and from Brodhead (Saturday or Sunday) I'm heading west to South Dakota to
the Badlands, Mount Rushmore, Chief Crazy Horse, Sturges and Wall Drug. I'm
trying to persuade Sterling B. to accompany me on this leg, in his spam can.
I'm going to try something new this year for my passengers. I now have a
working intercom, and I'm going to install the controls in the front pit.
This will give folks some hands on experience with how she handles. Anyone
wanna give 'er a try ??? Ya just gotta promise you won't kill me...
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita, KS
NX770CG
http://nx770cg.com/
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
You guys are great! Just what I needed! Between your comments and Jack
Phillips sending photos of his last trip, I can't stand it any more and have
left a message with the seller to see if I can pick the plane up a few days
earlier. If anyone is interested in seeing the plane you can go to
Barnstormers.com and see it under experimental, "Pietenpol".
I won't be able to make the fly-in but sure hope some of you will take lots
of photo's.
If the owner can and the weather holds, I will move the fly date from the
27th to the 22nd. I'll keep ya posted.
Gene
N502R
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:34 AM
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> Not me. I've decided to sell my Pietenpol (too slow, too noisy, too
> drafty, no fun) and buy a REAL airplane - a Cessna 172. Then I will
> feel safe, flying only from controlled fields and always under an
> instrument flight plan so I don't have to worry about some foolish pilot
> in an aircraft without radios running into me.
>
> NOT
>
> Unfortunately, I can't make it to Brodhead (or the other Wisconsin
> fly-in) this year. I am having a blast flying the Pietenpol, though.
> Just got married and about to leave on a honeymoon, and can't afford to
> do that and get to Wisconsin. I did suggest a honeymoon sleeping under
> the stars in Wisconsin, but that didn't set too well.
>
> Since my new bride has agreed to start building an RV-10 with me as soon
> as we get back, I can't complain too much. She has also agreed that we
> must always keep the Pietenpol for fun flying, no matter what kind of
> fast spam can we have for travelling. Now all I've got to do is figure
> out how to convince her that we need to keep the Pietenpol, the RV-4 and
> the RV-10. I'm afraid the RV-4 will have to go, so we can afford to
> finish the RV-10. I'll miss the aerobatics in the -4.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> D Cuy
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:12 AM
> !
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
> get
> the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that
> doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
> by
> car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
>
>
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
I may be able to make it there in the future but not this year.Where is
Brodhead;coordinance for GPS please and map reference,thanks.I feel like
I know half you guys but I'd like some day to put a face to the name.I
think the idea is to land at the closest airfield and report your
arrival in the States if your coming from Canada and if I'm not mistaken
you have to stay in the plane until cleared by officials.Plus having to
have all the correct paapers.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: June 20, 2006 10:29 AM
Markle...Javier !
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland"
<at7000ft@gmail.com>
I will be there Mike. Will have a car so if anybody flying in needs a
ride
into town or want me to make a beer run or something just let me know.
Rick H.
On 6/20/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately.
Let's
> get
> the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that
doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't
care
> by
> car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Unfortunately I got talked into buying my kid a ticket to Maine to visit a
friend and then flying up to meet her and visit family in Upstate New York
the week of Brodhead. Five airline tickets in all. Ended up with a time
conflict and burning up all of my travel budget. I will miss seeing everyone
but on the up side...I'm makeing great progress on my Piet lately....Ed
Grentzer See Ya'll next year
Do Not Archive
>From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier !
>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:11:59 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
>Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get
>the lead out and get
>fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't
>stop me from shaking you up
>once in a while)
>
>Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by
>car, boat, or plane--who is
>going to be there ?
>
>Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Dale and I plan to be there with NX18235.
Looking forward to the trip.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:11 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>
> Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's
> get the lead out and get
> fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't
> stop me from shaking you up
> once in a while)
>
> Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care
> by car, boat, or plane--who is
> going to be there ?
>
> Mike C. in Ohio
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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Subject: | Engine selection |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
I find goggles and earplugs (or headset) a necessity for just about any
flight in a Pietenpol. If you can possibly find one, a handheld GPS
sure makes navigation easier. I also find that unfolding a sectional
chart is difficult at best. I prefer to go to the aeroplanner site
(found on the EAA webpage) and I print off a basic triptik which gives
me up to date sectional information a page at a time that will fit on my
kneeboard. Makes navigation SO much easier. I used those for all 2,047
miles of my trip last summer.
Didn't know there was a Pietenpol at Humboldt. Years ago there was a
GN-1 at Jackson built by a fellow named Mike Lucky. I flew it while it
was still flying off restrictions - nice flying plane and one reason I
wanted to build my own Pietenpol.
I'm familiar with Camden. Used to go to Boy Scout camp near there. I
had my first forced landing (in a J-3 Cub) just north of I-40, west of
the rest areas near Camden.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:51 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy"
<zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
Thank you for your reply. All good info. I have a stop planned for
MDQ. I
live East of Jackson in Camden (I 40 to North on 641 at exit 126.) I'm
flying the plane from Thomasville, Ga. and will be headed up across
Alabama
to Tennessee. Should be leaving monday the 26th if the weather permits.
I'd be very interested in meeting with a builder near me so hopefully if
there is one he will contact me on this list. I do know of a Pietenpol
in
Humboldt and will be checking it out.
Any more advice for the trip? Have you found googles necessary on long
trips? I do wish the cockpit was a bit larger so I could stash charts
and
such.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:50 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack"
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> Gene,
>
> Where in West Tennessee are you going? I'm from Jackson, TN (MKL)
> originally and flew my Pietenpol there from Oshkosh last summer, after
> attending the real fly-in at Brodhead. I understand there is a
> Pietenpol under construction in Lexington, east of Jackson.
>
> On the way home from Jackson to Raleigh, I landed at Pulaski, TN, and
> found it a nice airport. I was forced down by weather to Madison
County
> Executive airport (MDQ) near Huntsville, Alabama and found it very
> friendly as well, with full computer weather facilities. I also
landed
> at Rome Georgia, (RMG) and would recommend it as a stop. Going no
> further north than Rome, you will avoid the taller mountains and
> shouldn't see any peaks higher than about 1800'
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
> Tammy
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:34 PM
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy"
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> My thanks to all that are discussing the Pietenpol and the A65. I'm
> just in
> the act of buying one and will be flying it from the Georgia/Florida
> line to
> Western Tennessee. Your discussion has been helpful and gives me some
> idea
> what I'm in for. I'm really looking forward to the plane and the trip
> but
> I'm more use to 1700' a minute rather than 600 or 700' a minute. It
> will
> take a little getting use to but I'm excited to fly the Pietenpol.
I'm
> not
> in a hurry and I'm sure it will make me a better pilot.
> Any advise from you guys and gals would be very appreciated.
> Thank You
> Gene
> Pietenpol N502R
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
>
>
_________________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Have fun wading through this stuff Harvey. :-)
http://www.b4.ca/raa_85/download/border.pdf
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/020607_5131.html
http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/security/waivers/
Cliff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> I may be able to make it there in the future but not this year.Where is
> Brodhead;coordinance for GPS please and map reference,thanks.I feel like
> I know half you guys but I'd like some day to put a face to the name.I
> think the idea is to land at the closest airfield and report your
> arrival in the States if your coming from Canada and if I'm not mistaken
> you have to stay in the plane until cleared by officials.Plus having to
> have all the correct paapers.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
One more Harv !
Clif
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html
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