---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/20/06: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: Engine selection (Clif Dawson) 2. 06:15 AM - role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Michael D Cuy) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Phillips, Jack) 4. 06:41 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 5. 07:11 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier (Jim Markle) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Jack T. Textor) 7. 07:29 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Rick Holland) 8. 08:13 AM - Sugar muffins (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 08:41 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (chris cummins) 11. 08:42 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Rick Holland) 12. 09:33 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Bill Church) 13. 10:21 AM - ah goodie ! (Michael D Cuy) 14. 10:28 AM - and try to wear a name badge if you can (Michael D Cuy) 15. 10:55 AM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier (Jeff Boatright) 16. 01:44 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier (Jeff Boatright) 17. 02:23 PM - Brodhead (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 18. 04:14 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Richard Schreiber) 19. 04:42 PM - Aeromart (HelsperSew@aol.com) 20. 07:34 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Lynn Knoll) 21. 07:42 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Dick Navratil) 22. 08:13 PM - Brodhead (Tim Willis) 23. 08:41 PM - Re: ah goodie ! (Rcaprd@aol.com) 24. 08:41 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Gene & Tammy) 25. 08:43 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! () 26. 08:47 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Ed G.) 27. 09:17 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (gcardinal) 28. 09:24 PM - Re: Engine selection (Phillips, Jack) 29. 10:13 PM - Re: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! (Clif Dawson) 30. 10:28 PM - Can/US Travel (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:03 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine selection The paragraphs below come from our Canadian regulations relating to minimum permissible power and minimum permissible rate of climb. Here's the link; http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part5/Standards/549/sub-b.htm#549.109 Clif (a) Piston engines: To ensure that there is a reasonable expectation of meeting the climb test requirements set out in section 549.111, the minimum permissible rated engine power shall be determined by the following equation: where Pmin = rated power of the engine(s) in kw (BHP); b = wing span in metres (ft); M (W) = declared maximum T.O. mass in kg (weight in lb); C = 0.01339 (for use with fps units = 0.018) for monoplanes (including tandem wing and canard aeroplanes); or C = 0.01711 (for use with fps units = 0.023) for biplanes or triplanes. (b) Turbine engines: The minimum permissible rated power/thrust will be evaluated on an individual basis. (Change 549-1 (93-06-30)) 549.111 Performance: Rate of Climb (a) In standard sea-level atmospheric conditions at the maximum approved weight, the aircraft shall demonstrate the capability of climbing, as follows: (1) Aeroplanes: 360 m (1180 ft) in 3 minutes. (2) Powered gliders: 300 m (984 ft) in 4 minutes. (b) Test in conditions other than standard sea-level may be accepted by the Minister. Information Note: (Ref. paragraph 11 of Appendix B of AMA 549/1A) > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" > > > Gene > I hope you are joking about the 600-700 fpm. You may be shocked. Look > more for 250 fpm or on a 90 degree day 100 fpm. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:33 AM > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" > > > My thanks to all that are discussing the Pietenpol and the A65. I'm just > in > the act of buying one and will be flying it from the Georgia/Florida line > to > Western Tennessee. Your discussion has been helpful and gives me some > idea > what I'm in for. I'm really looking forward to the plane and the trip but > I'm more use to 1700' a minute rather than 600 or 700' a minute. It will > take a little getting use to but I'm excited to fly the Pietenpol. I'm > not > in a hurry and I'm sure it will make me a better pilot. > Any advise from you guys and gals would be very appreciated. > Thank You > Gene > Pietenpol N502R > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:55 AM > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" >> >> >> As always, Graham posted an outstanding reply. I concur with everything >> he said. My Pietenpol has an A65, and it is adequate for solo flying. >> For carrying passengers on a hot day, unless you have a long runway or >> VERY clear approaches at your field, it can cause a bit of >> sphincter-clinch on takeoff. It also cannot cope with much of a >> downdraft. I'll never forget flying it across West Virginia last year on >> the way to Brodhead. I was at 4,000' and trying to climb over a 4400' >> ridge, climbing at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a >> downdraft. >> >> >> >> Yesterday I took my EAA Flight Advisor up in mine. He weighs 205 (I >> weigh 195) and we had a full tank of fuel (90 lbs). Adding all that to >> my 745 lb empty weight, and we were at 1235 lbs. - a heavy load indeed. >> OAT was 91 F, and density altitude was about 2500'. Fortunately I had >> enough sense to not try this from the 2,000' strip with 120' trees at the >> end where I base the plane. We flew out of Sanford, NC (TTA) where the >> runway is 6500' long with unobstructed approaches for at least mile on >> either end of the runway. Takeoff was impressive - we were off the >> ground in about 600'. Climbout was less impressive, but still acceptable >> at 150 fpm. He loved the airplane (other than its climb rate). BTW at >> that weight, stall speed was 42 mph indicated. >> >> >> >> If I had it to do over again, I would put a C-85 in it. Or fly from >> longer airstrips. If I had tried yesterday's flight from my home field, >> we would have impacted the trees at the end about 70 feet below the >> treetops. If I were to build another one, I might seriously look at >> adding 4 feet to the wingspan, which would add about 25 lbs to the >> weight, but would add 20 sq. ft to the wing area. >> >> >> >> One other note on a topic that has been discussed recently - yesterday I >> sealed the gaps between my elevators and horizontal stabilizer with duct >> tape. I found a slight improvement in time to raise the tail on takeoff, >> and about a 2 mph improvement in cruise speed. I also found that it >> changed the trim of the airplane. Before this change I could trim the >> plane to fly hands off using my spring trim system. Now even with full >> nose up trim it still tends to nose down slightly, indicating that the >> tail is providing more lift than before. >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> NX899JP >> >> Raleigh, NC >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:36 PM >> >> >> >> Ken Heide, >> >> >> >> Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is >> quite a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND. >> >> >> >> For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65 >> Continental. Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb >> rate was sluggish with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise >> with a load, one had to work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude; >> there was little power in reserve to deal with downdrafts. >> >> >> >> Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least. >> With only a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%! >> The most significant improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise >> speed increased by about 7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not >> by much; even with the A65, the a/c had always seemed to perform well >> within ground effect. Nowadays, I have power in reserve to climb over >> obstacles and cope with downdrafts. >> >> >> >> When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend >> to forget that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to >> Taylorcrafts, Cubs and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these >> airplanes have a wingspan of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180 >> square feet versus the Pietenpol's 29 foot span and about 145 square >> feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8, >> making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol. When one considers >> that all these airplanes essentially were designed around smaller people, >> they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders these days. If we >> all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes would perform >> much better because that is close to what they were designed to carry. >> >> >> >> However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier >> these days--and the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we >> can do is keep them (and us) as light as possible and increase the >> available power (without adding too much weight, of course). >> >> >> >> In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum >> engine for the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and >> provides the same clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have >> a C85-12 in my Pietenpol and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version >> because of the rear accessory case, which makes for a tight fit between >> the magnetos and the firewall. (A longer engine mount would cure this >> problem, but I don't wish to build new cowlings, etc.) >> >> >> >> If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will >> work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never >> designed to do. Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is >> extremely important. I have yet to find the very best propeller for >> mine--either with the A65 or the C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may >> find a custom propeller that is close to ideal for your airplane, but a >> fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise and one usually has to try >> out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified propellers will >> work, but they may not be the best for your setup. >> >> >> >> As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power. >> If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as >> light as possible in order to fly well with modest power. >> >> >> >> Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain >> privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have >> received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the >> Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/2bf28578240f08a25ab5cdf5671172b083991e14.gif ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:07 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get the lead out and get fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't stop me from shaking you up once in a while) Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by car, boat, or plane--who is going to be there ? Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:08 AM PST US From: "Phillips, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Not me. I've decided to sell my Pietenpol (too slow, too noisy, too drafty, no fun) and buy a REAL airplane - a Cessna 172. Then I will feel safe, flying only from controlled fields and always under an instrument flight plan so I don't have to worry about some foolish pilot in an aircraft without radios running into me. NOT Unfortunately, I can't make it to Brodhead (or the other Wisconsin fly-in) this year. I am having a blast flying the Pietenpol, though. Just got married and about to leave on a honeymoon, and can't afford to do that and get to Wisconsin. I did suggest a honeymoon sleeping under the stars in Wisconsin, but that didn't set too well. Since my new bride has agreed to start building an RV-10 with me as soon as we get back, I can't complain too much. She has also agreed that we must always keep the Pietenpol for fun flying, no matter what kind of fast spam can we have for travelling. Now all I've got to do is figure out how to convince her that we need to keep the Pietenpol, the RV-4 and the RV-10. I'm afraid the RV-4 will have to go, so we can afford to finish the RV-10. I'll miss the aerobatics in the -4. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:12 AM ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get the lead out and get fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't stop me from shaking you up once in a while) Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by car, boat, or plane--who is going to be there ? Mike C. in Ohio _________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:25 AM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Cinda and I will be there, maybe Gary Barger also. Will take a few days off building the retirement dream hangar home and drive. I am looking for a used Piet or GN-1 to buy Corvair or Continental. I need an open cockpit plane to fly while I complete mine, started building 1990 and hope to get it completed 2011. Please contact me off list. Skip, in beautiful WV > [Original Message] > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by > car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:38 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I'm flying (after a week long training session in Boston) into Chicago late Friday night. I'll stay in Rockford Friday night then early Saturday morning I'll drive up to Brodhead for the day... Not too happy to be missing the other days but I'll take what I can get! I'm SURE looking forward to it!!! Jim in Adair, OK ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:16 AM PST US From: "Jack T. Textor" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" My S-A will be there Friday and depart for OSH Sunday. Will be driving and tenting. Look forward to meeting all! Jack Textor Des Moines Tail and ribs DONE, spars started Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get the lead out and get fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't stop me from shaking you up once in a while) Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by car, boat, or plane--who is going to be there ? Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:21 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" I will be there Mike. Will have a car so if anybody flying in needs a ride into town or want me to make a beer run or something just let me know. Rick H. On 6/20/06, Michael D Cuy wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy < > Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's > get > the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care > by > car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:02 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sugar muffins --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: HelsperSew@aol.com I will drive up on Friday and Saturday, seeing as I only live 40 miles away (Poplar Grove Illinois). I need to get smart on all the options available for the Ford A. Dan Helsper ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:27 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Do Not Archive Always a dumb question from a netter. Well here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are the Brodhead dates? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:45 AM PST US From: chris cummins Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: chris cummins I will be there. Won't be flying the Piet up this year. Don't have my 40 hours flown off yet, but I plan on flying my Chief this year. Chris Cummins --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:19 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" Weekend before Airventure, July 21,22,23. On 6/20/06, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Do Not Archive > > Always a dumb question from a netter. Well here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > What are the Brodhead dates? > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:48 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" My 15 year-old son Max says Brodhead is the highlight of his summer (and mine too). We will be driving the 657 miles (according to Google Maps) non-stop, and camping out under the stars for two nights (and then driving the 657 miles back home). Bill "sugar muffin" C. in Ontario, Canada Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:48 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: ah goodie ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy okay---now you guys are COOKING ! You ARE alive out there ! Good to hear from lots of you guys and those yet to respond. I'm sorry the newlywed Jack won't be there but he showed up in grand style last year in his pretty green and cream Icarus Phillips, er Plummet. I got beat up so bad in turbulence and nasty crosswind 93 F landings last year that I'm driving up in nice a/c in my car if I can. Will try to camp with John H. from the list and harass whoever I can on foot Saturday late afternoon and Sat. eve. I hope Don E. from this area can fly his Piet up. He's really been at it for a long, long time and as you all can see from his pics and posts---nice job. Maybe this year I'll remember that you have to buy your Saturday night pork chop dinner tickets AHEAD of time at Brodhead. Chuckie G. and I almost got shutout from the eats last year since we were oblivious to the numerous announcements about getting your tickets earlier in the day. And that Jim Markle from Oklahoma now is going to take some getting used to. It was always Jim Markle from Texas. The guy is a Clark Gable look-alike, I swear. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:11 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: and try to wear a name badge if you can --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy I think last year or in years past they were handing out the sticky name badges for guys to wear. Boy does that help connect the dots at a place where we all know each other by text mostly only. Plus the name tags help you to avoid the people on the list you don't like:))) Kidding. We all liked Chris Bobka:) Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:53 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright I will be there, though I won't be able to fly the Piet. I was only able to partially solve the fuel tank problem. Again, I appreciate everyone's suggestions and I apologize for being a whiny baby about the costs associated with what I think is the best solution - a new aluminum tank! I'd love to catch a ride in a couple of Piets to see how mine compares in terms of handling. Hint hint... ;) Jeff -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:50 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer,Markle...Javier --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright I will be there, though I won't be able to fly the Piet. I was only able to partially solve the fuel tank problem. Again, I appreciate everyone's suggestions and I apologize for being a whiny baby about the costs associated with what I think is the best solution - a new aluminum tank! I'd love to catch a ride in a couple of Piets to see how mine compares in terms of handling. Hint hint... ;) Jeff At 9:11 AM -0400 6/20/06, Michael D Cuy wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > >Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. >Let's get the lead out and get >fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that >doesn't stop me from shaking you up >once in a while) > >Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't >care by car, boat, or plane--who is >going to be there ? > >Mike C. in Ohio -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:41 PM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) I'm there. Leon Stefan Nickerson Ks. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:21 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Schreiber" I plan on flying my Tripacer in from Porter Co, IN (VPZ). A short 1 hour hop, either Frday afternoon or early Saturday morining. Looking forward to seeing everyone again. The following week I plan on going to Oshkosh for a few days. Will spend some time in the fly mart scrounging parts. Rick (learning to weld his Piet) Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: Michael D Cuy > To: > Date: 6/20/2006 8:19:43 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get > the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by > car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:42 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aeromart --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: HelsperSew@aol.com Rick, Plan on being at the Oshkosh Aeromart very early on Monday to get in line for the opening. It opens at 8:00 am but they start lining up at about 6. They only let a maybe 50 people in at a time. I will be there at 6 myself. It is a treasure trove of cool stuff of every conceivable nature. I bought some cool old instruments last year. It gets picked over very quickly. Dan Helsper ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:32 PM PST US From: "Lynn Knoll" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lynn Knoll" Mike, There will be two (2) S-A Piet/Vair builders from Wichita taking the 650 mile jaunt in a red VW Beetle. Lynn & Kevin Knoll DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:11 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's > get the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care > by car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:25 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick Navratil" I'm coming down for sure, the only question is whether to fly the Piet or trailer down my new radial project to show. The engine is running now. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:11 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's > get the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care > by car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:25 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis The Brodhead dates are Fri Jul 21-- Sun Jul 23. I plan to drive up and get there as early as possible on Friday. I will have a car for errands, supplies, beer runs, etc. I will be camping there on Friday night, but will likely move to a motel in Rockford on Saturday, for I am meeting an old friend from Chicago who says his 75-yr.-old back doesn't do air matresses any longer. That's my plan for now. Chuck Gantzer told me he was likely going up Thursday to get settled in. Oscar has told me he cannot go this year. Corky, are you thinking of going? I'll have the scotch this time. I look forward to meeting you all. Tim . Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2006-06-19.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2006-06-19.txt =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/19/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:59 AM - Re: Engine selection (Phillips, Jack) 2. 06:07 AM - GN-1 Gap Seals (Mike King) 3. 08:02 AM - Re: Engine selection (Bill Church) 4. 09:36 AM - Re: Engine selection (Gene & Tammy) 5. 09:56 AM - Re: Engine selection (Phillips, Jack) 6. 10:52 AM - Re: Engine selection (Gene & Tammy) 7. 11:08 AM - Re: Engine selection (Steve Eldredge) 8. 11:57 AM - Engine selection (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 01:23 PM - Re: Engine selection (KMHeide) 10. 06:58 PM - Re: Engine selection (Dick Navratil) 11. 07:07 PM - radial eng chopper (Dick Navratil) 12. 07:16 PM - Re: Covering (Peter W Johnson) 13. 08:14 PM - Re: Engine selection (Gene & Tammy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:13 AM PST US --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" As always, Graham posted an outstanding reply. I concur with everything he said. My Pietenpol has an A65, and it is adequate for solo flying. For carrying passengers on a hot day, unless you have a long runway or VERY clear approaches at your field, it can cause a bit of sphincter-clinch on takeoff. It also cannot cope with much of a downdraft. I'll never forget flying it across West Virginia last year on the way to Brodhead. I was at 4,000' and trying to climb over a 4400' ridge, climbing at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a downdraft. Yesterday I took my EAA Flight Advisor up in mine. He weighs 205 (I weigh 195) and we had a full tank of fuel (90 lbs). Adding all that to my 745 lb empty weight, and we were at 1235 lbs. - a heavy load indeed. OAT was 91 F, and density altitude was about 2500'. Fortunately I had enough sense to not try this from the 2,000' strip with 120' trees at the end where I base the plane. We flew out of Sanford, NC (TTA) where the runway is 6500' long with unobstructed approaches for at least mile on either end of the runway. Takeoff was impressive - we were off the ground in about 600'. Climbout was less impressive, but still acceptable at 150 fpm. He loved the airplane (other than its climb rate). BTW at that weight, stall speed was 42 mph indicated. If I had it to do over again, I would put a C-85 in it. Or fly from longer airstrips. If I had tried yesterday's flight from my home field, we would have impacted the trees at the end about 70 feet below the treetops. If I were to build another one, I might seriously look at adding 4 feet to the wingspan, which would add about 25 lbs to the weight, but would add 20 sq. ft to the wing area. One other note on a topic that has been discussed recently - yesterday I sealed the gaps between my elevators and horizontal stabilizer with duct tape. I found a slight improvement in time to raise the tail on takeoff, and about a 2 mph improvement in cruise speed. I also found that it changed the trim of the airplane. Before this change I could trim the plane to fly hands off using my spring trim system. Now even with full nose up trim it still tends to nose down slightly, indicating that the tail is providing more lift than before. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:36 PM Ken Heide, Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is quite a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND. For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65 Continental. Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb rate was sluggish with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise with a load, one had to work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude; there was little power in reserve to deal with downdrafts. Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least. With only a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%! The most significant improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise speed increased by about 7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not by much; even with the A65, the a/c had always seemed to perform well within ground effect. Nowadays, I have power in reserve to climb over obstacles and cope with downdrafts. When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend to forget that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to Taylorcrafts, Cubs and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these airplanes have a wingspan of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180 square feet versus the Pietenpol's 29 foot span and about 145 square feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8, making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol. When one considers that all these airplanes essentially were designed around smaller people, they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders these days. If we all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes would perform much better because that is close to what they were designed to carry. However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier these days--and the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we can do is keep them (and us) as light as possible and increase the available power (without adding too much weight, of course). In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum engine for the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and provides the same clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have a C85-12 in my Pietenpol and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version because of the rear accessory case, which makes for a tight fit between the magnetos and the firewall. (A longer engine mount would cure this problem, but I don't wish to build new cowlings, etc.) If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never designed to do. Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is extremely important. I have yet to find the very best propeller for mine--either with the A65 or the C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may find a custom propeller that is close to ideal for your airplane, but a fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise and one usually has to try out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified propellers will work, but they may not be the best for your setup. As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power. If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as light as possible in order to fly well with modest power. Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:26 AM PST US BlankSay guys, I bought my 1985 GN-1 some years ago and it was built to pla ns. That means there are no gap seals on the wings nor the tail. With all this talk about slightly improved performance, I would like some recommendations from those who have put gap seals on their PIETs or GN-1s after their planes were built. I feel changing my 69x39 McCauley metal prop on my A-80 and installing gap seals would enhance my plane's overall performance. The plane flies slight ly nose high and has a spring trim but does not do much good. I am afraid changing to a lighter wooden 72x42 prop would make the plane fly even more nose high. So I have been hesitate to change anything on the plane but feel changing the prop and filling in the gaps between the wings and the horizontal stab. would improve performance during the summer months. As always, the bank of knowledge afforded in this group is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/5b25ada24a7f9f2360c3efe68e69728914bc3920.gif ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:08 AM PST US --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" In Graham's words: "If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never designed to do. ... If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as light as possible in order to fly well with modest power.". On Saturday I spent the day at the Brussels, Ontario 17th Annual Pietenpol gathering at Armstrong's field. I spoke a bit with Brian Kenney, whose C-FAUK has been flying for 19 years behind a 65HP Continental. He says he has no problem carrying 200(+)lb passengers. But he emphasized the importance of keeping the weight of the plane down as much as possible. I believe he said his empty weight was 587lb - so it is possible to build lighter if we really make the effort. As for the fly-in, it was a beautiful sunny day, with unfortunately a strong breeze that kept the Air Campers camping (on the ground). But there were 5 Piets (and 3 Tiger Moths) to look at and snap pictures of and talk to owners and builders about. Our host, Jim Armstrong has been flying his Piet out of his strip for 39 years. He even used to fly it to school regularly for 24 years (where he was a teacher). He told me he has about 1000 hrs on his 65HP Air Camper, which still has the original covering (Irish Linen on the wings, Grade A cotton on the tail, and Dacron on the fuselage). He and his son have just completed their second Piet, which is almost identical to the first (85HP, all Dacron covering). The second one took 30 years to complete - started as a teenage father-son project, then got set aside for awhile, then got resurrected and completed. Really nice finishing on this plane. Jim said it was his first attempt at covering an entire plane, and he took great care to ensure all the tapes were straight and neat, and he was pleased with the results. I took a bunch of photos, but won't get access to them to download for about a week. As soon as I get them, I'll post a few to share. Now I'm stoked to get building again, just like after Brodhead (which is only five weeks away). Bill C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:38 AM PST US --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" My thanks to all that are discussing the Pietenpol and the A65. I'm just in the act of buying one and will be flying it from the Georgia/Florida line to Western Tennessee. Your discussion has been helpful and gives me some idea what I'm in for. I'm really looking forward to the plane and the trip but I'm more use to 1700' a minute rather than 600 or 700' a minute. It will take a little getting use to but I'm excited to fly the Pietenpol. I'm not in a hurry and I'm sure it will make me a better pilot. Any advise from you guys and gals would be very appreciated. Thank You Gene Pietenpol N502R ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:55 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > As always, Graham posted an outstanding reply. I concur with everything > he said. My Pietenpol has an A65, and it is adequate for solo flying. > For carrying passengers on a hot day, unless you have a long runway or > VERY clear approaches at your field, it can cause a bit of > sphincter-clinch on takeoff. It also cannot cope with much of a > downdraft. I'll never forget flying it across West Virginia last year on > the way to Brodhead. I was at 4,000' and trying to climb over a 4400' > ridge, climbing at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a > downdraft. > > > Yesterday I took my EAA Flight Advisor up in mine. He weighs 205 (I weigh > 195) and we had a full tank of fuel (90 lbs). Adding all that to my 745 > lb empty weight, and we were at 1235 lbs. - a heavy load indeed. OAT was > 91 F, and density altitude was about 2500'. Fortunately I had enough > sense to not try this from the 2,000' strip with 120' trees at the end > where I base the plane. We flew out of Sanford, NC (TTA) where the runway > is 6500' long with unobstructed approaches for at least mile on either > end of the runway. Takeoff was impressive - we were off the ground in > about 600'. Climbout was less impressive, but still acceptable at 150 fpm. > He loved the airplane (other than its climb rate). BTW at that weight, > stall speed was 42 mph indicated. > > > If I had it to do over again, I would put a C-85 in it. Or fly from > longer airstrips. If I had tried yesterday's flight from my home field, we > would have impacted the trees at the end about 70 feet below the treetops. > If I were to build another one, I might seriously look at adding 4 feet to > the wingspan, which would add about 25 lbs to the weight, but would add 20 > sq. ft to the wing area. > > > One other note on a topic that has been discussed recently - yesterday I > sealed the gaps between my elevators and horizontal stabilizer with duct > tape. I found a slight improvement in time to raise the tail on takeoff, > and about a 2 mph improvement in cruise speed. I also found that it > changed the trim of the airplane. Before this change I could trim the > plane to fly hands off using my spring trim system. Now even with full > nose up trim it still tends to nose down slightly, indicating that the > tail is providing more lift than before. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Raleigh, NC > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:36 PM > > > Ken Heide, > > > Our elevation here in central Alberta, Canada is about 2500' msl which is > quite a bit higher than yours in Fargo, ND. > > > For the first couple of years, my Pietenpol was powered by an A65 > Continental. Its performance was adequate when flying solo, but the climb > rate was sluggish with an adult passenger aboard on a hot day. In cruise > with a load, one had to work the A65 pretty hard to maintain altitude; > there was little power in reserve to deal with downdrafts. > > > Then I obtained a C85 and the difference was dramatic, to say the least. > With only a slight weight increase, power was increased by nearly 31%! The > most significant improvement was in the climb rate, and the cruise speed > increased by about 7-8 mph. The takeoff run was shortened, but not by > much; even with the A65, the a/c had always seemed to perform well within > ground effect. Nowadays, I have power in reserve to climb over obstacles > and cope with downdrafts. > > > When the Pietenpol was designed, people were smaller and lighter. We tend > to forget that the Pietenpol is a small airplane when compared to > Taylorcrafts, Cubs and Aeroncas with the same power. Typically, these > airplanes have a wingspan of 35 - 36 feet with a wing area of 175 - 180 > square feet versus the Pietenpol's 29 foot span and about 145 square > feet.Their aspect ratio is around seven compared to the Pietenpol's 5.8, > making them much better gliders than the Pietenpol. When one considers > that all these airplanes essentially were designed around smaller people, > they do rather well hauling a couple of 200(+) pounders these days. If we > all weighed perhaps 150 to 170 pounds, our little airplanes would perform > much better because that is close to what they were designed to carry. > > > However, we have to face the fact that people are bigger and heavier these > days--and the airplanes we love are not any larger. About all we can do is > keep them (and us) as light as possible and increase the available power > (without adding too much weight, of course). > > > In my experience, the Continental C85-8 engine is about the optimum engine > for the Pietenpol. It is only slightly heavier than the A65-8 and provides > the same clearance between the magnetos and the firewall. I have a C85-12 > in my Pietenpol and it is a bit heavier than the -8 version because of the > rear accessory case, which makes for a tight fit between the magnetos and > the firewall. (A longer engine mount would cure this problem, but I don't > wish to build new cowlings, etc.) > > > If you keep a Pietenpol simple and light, a strong Continental A65 will > work fine for you--provided you don't expect it to do what it was never > designed to do. Having the optimum engine/ propeller combination is > extremely important. I have yet to find the very best propeller for > mine--either with the A65 or the C85 engines. If you are lucky, you may > find a custom propeller that is close to ideal for your airplane, but a > fixed pitch propeller is always a compromise and one usually has to try > out a lot of different ones. Off-the-shelf certified propellers will work, > but they may not be the best for your setup. > > > As always, it is best to improve efficiency before simply adding power. If > I were to build another Pietenpol, I would work hard to keep it as light > as possible in order to fly well with modest power. > > > Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN > > > _________________________________________________ > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have > received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:46 AM PST US --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Gene, Where in West Tennessee are you going? I'm from Jackson, TN (MKL) originally and flew my Pietenpol there from Oshkosh last summer, after attending the real fly-in at Brodhead. I understand there is a Pietenpol under construction in Lexington, east of Jackson. On the way home from Jackson to Raleigh, I landed at Pulaski, TN, and === message truncated == --------------------------------- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:56 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ah goodie ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2006 12:23:18 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes: I got beat up so bad in turbulence and nasty crosswind 93 F landings last year that I'm driving up in nice a/c in my car if I can. Wow !! Talk about a sissy boy !! Waddya mean, turbulence...that's what seat belt harnesses are for...so ya don't get bounced outa the plane !! It just ain't fair that your driving up in a/c !! Yes, of course I'll be there. I'll have a handful of my DVD video's with me, and maybe even some of the 'Building NX770CG' video. This is the fourth summer in a row to Brodhead for me. I'm probably going to arrive on Thursday, and from Brodhead (Saturday or Sunday) I'm heading west to South Dakota to the Badlands, Mount Rushmore, Chief Crazy Horse, Sturges and Wall Drug. I'm trying to persuade Sterling B. to accompany me on this leg, in his spam can. I'm going to try something new this year for my passengers. I now have a working intercom, and I'm going to install the controls in the front pit. This will give folks some hands on experience with how she handles. Anyone wanna give 'er a try ??? Ya just gotta promise you won't kill me... Chuck Gantzer Wichita, KS NX770CG http://nx770cg.com/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:57 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" You guys are great! Just what I needed! Between your comments and Jack Phillips sending photos of his last trip, I can't stand it any more and have left a message with the seller to see if I can pick the plane up a few days earlier. If anyone is interested in seeing the plane you can go to Barnstormers.com and see it under experimental, "Pietenpol". I won't be able to make the fly-in but sure hope some of you will take lots of photo's. If the owner can and the weather holds, I will move the fly date from the 27th to the 22nd. I'll keep ya posted. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:34 AM ! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > Not me. I've decided to sell my Pietenpol (too slow, too noisy, too > drafty, no fun) and buy a REAL airplane - a Cessna 172. Then I will > feel safe, flying only from controlled fields and always under an > instrument flight plan so I don't have to worry about some foolish pilot > in an aircraft without radios running into me. > > NOT > > Unfortunately, I can't make it to Brodhead (or the other Wisconsin > fly-in) this year. I am having a blast flying the Pietenpol, though. > Just got married and about to leave on a honeymoon, and can't afford to > do that and get to Wisconsin. I did suggest a honeymoon sleeping under > the stars in Wisconsin, but that didn't set too well. > > Since my new bride has agreed to start building an RV-10 with me as soon > as we get back, I can't complain too much. She has also agreed that we > must always keep the Pietenpol for fun flying, no matter what kind of > fast spam can we have for travelling. Now all I've got to do is figure > out how to convince her that we need to keep the Pietenpol, the RV-4 and > the RV-10. I'm afraid the RV-4 will have to go, so we can afford to > finish the RV-10. I'll miss the aerobatics in the -4. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > D Cuy > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:12 AM > ! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's > get > the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that > doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care > by > car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > _________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:28 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: I may be able to make it there in the future but not this year.Where is Brodhead;coordinance for GPS please and map reference,thanks.I feel like I know half you guys but I'd like some day to put a face to the name.I think the idea is to land at the closest airfield and report your arrival in the States if your coming from Canada and if I'm not mistaken you have to stay in the plane until cleared by officials.Plus having to have all the correct paapers. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: June 20, 2006 10:29 AM Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" I will be there Mike. Will have a car so if anybody flying in needs a ride into town or want me to make a beer run or something just let me know. Rick H. On 6/20/06, Michael D Cuy wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy < > Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's > get > the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care > by > car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:37 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." Unfortunately I got talked into buying my kid a ticket to Maine to visit a friend and then flying up to meet her and visit family in Upstate New York the week of Brodhead. Five airline tickets in all. Ended up with a time conflict and burning up all of my travel budget. I will miss seeing everyone but on the up side...I'm makeing great progress on my Piet lately....Ed Grentzer See Ya'll next year Do Not Archive >From: Michael D Cuy >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:11:59 -0400 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > >Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's get >the lead out and get >fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't >stop me from shaking you up >once in a while) > >Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care by >car, boat, or plane--who is >going to be there ? > >Mike C. in Ohio > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:53 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" Dale and I plan to be there with NX18235. Looking forward to the trip. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:11 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Okay you sugar muffins---you guys sure have been boring lately. Let's > get the lead out and get > fired up some, huh ? (okay, I'm boring too.....and fat, but that doesn't > stop me from shaking you up > once in a while) > > Who the heck is getting their sorry asses to Brodhead ??? I don't care > by car, boat, or plane--who is > going to be there ? > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:05 PM PST US From: "Phillips, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine selection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" I find goggles and earplugs (or headset) a necessity for just about any flight in a Pietenpol. If you can possibly find one, a handheld GPS sure makes navigation easier. I also find that unfolding a sectional chart is difficult at best. I prefer to go to the aeroplanner site (found on the EAA webpage) and I print off a basic triptik which gives me up to date sectional information a page at a time that will fit on my kneeboard. Makes navigation SO much easier. I used those for all 2,047 miles of my trip last summer. Didn't know there was a Pietenpol at Humboldt. Years ago there was a GN-1 at Jackson built by a fellow named Mike Lucky. I flew it while it was still flying off restrictions - nice flying plane and one reason I wanted to build my own Pietenpol. I'm familiar with Camden. Used to go to Boy Scout camp near there. I had my first forced landing (in a J-3 Cub) just north of I-40, west of the rest areas near Camden. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:51 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" Jack, Thank you for your reply. All good info. I have a stop planned for MDQ. I live East of Jackson in Camden (I 40 to North on 641 at exit 126.) I'm flying the plane from Thomasville, Ga. and will be headed up across Alabama to Tennessee. Should be leaving monday the 26th if the weather permits. I'd be very interested in meeting with a builder near me so hopefully if there is one he will contact me on this list. I do know of a Pietenpol in Humboldt and will be checking it out. Any more advice for the trip? Have you found googles necessary on long trips? I do wish the cockpit was a bit larger so I could stash charts and such. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:50 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" > > > Gene, > > Where in West Tennessee are you going? I'm from Jackson, TN (MKL) > originally and flew my Pietenpol there from Oshkosh last summer, after > attending the real fly-in at Brodhead. I understand there is a > Pietenpol under construction in Lexington, east of Jackson. > > On the way home from Jackson to Raleigh, I landed at Pulaski, TN, and > found it a nice airport. I was forced down by weather to Madison County > Executive airport (MDQ) near Huntsville, Alabama and found it very > friendly as well, with full computer weather facilities. I also landed > at Rome Georgia, (RMG) and would recommend it as a stop. Going no > further north than Rome, you will avoid the taller mountains and > shouldn't see any peaks higher than about 1800' > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & > Tammy > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:34 PM > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" > > > My thanks to all that are discussing the Pietenpol and the A65. I'm > just in > the act of buying one and will be flying it from the Georgia/Florida > line to > Western Tennessee. Your discussion has been helpful and gives me some > idea > what I'm in for. I'm really looking forward to the plane and the trip > but > I'm more use to 1700' a minute rather than 600 or 700' a minute. It > will > take a little getting use to but I'm excited to fly the Pietenpol. I'm > not > in a hurry and I'm sure it will make me a better pilot. > Any advise from you guys and gals would be very appreciated. > Thank You > Gene > Pietenpol N502R > > > _________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:01 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: role call ? Attention Gantzer, Markle...Javier ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Have fun wading through this stuff Harvey. :-) http://www.b4.ca/raa_85/download/border.pdf http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/020607_5131.html http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/security/waivers/ Cliff > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > I may be able to make it there in the future but not this year.Where is > Brodhead;coordinance for GPS please and map reference,thanks.I feel like > I know half you guys but I'd like some day to put a face to the name.I > think the idea is to land at the closest airfield and report your > arrival in the States if your coming from Canada and if I'm not mistaken > you have to stay in the plane until cleared by officials.Plus having to > have all the correct paapers. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:12 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can/US Travel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson One more Harv ! Clif http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html