---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/22/06: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Re: saving time (amsafetyc@aol.com) 2. 05:05 AM - Piet on Barnstormers (Jeff Boatright) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: Gap Seals/Prop (Dog67@aol.com) 4. 05:48 AM - vortex generators (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:36 AM - Re: Bill of materials (Rick Holland) 6. 06:36 AM - Books (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 06:38 AM - vortex generators (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 06:41 AM - Re: Airplane assemblers (Rick Holland) 9. 06:53 AM - Re: ah goodie ! (Rick Holland) 10. 08:02 AM - a comment on brakes (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 09:54 AM - Any Instructors? (Tim) 12. 11:54 AM - Re: Brodhead Buzz (The Schuerrs) 13. 12:09 PM - Re: Any Instructors? (Michael D Cuy) 14. 01:54 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 43 Msgs - 06/21/06 (Matt Keyes) 15. 07:07 PM - Re: Brodhead Buzz (Dog67@aol.com) 16. 07:22 PM - Aluminum Head Ford A (HelsperSew@aol.com) 17. 11:14 PM - Re: ah goodie ! (Rcaprd@aol.com) 18. 11:37 PM - Re: Aluminum Head Ford A (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:16 AM PST US From: amsafetyc@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: amsafetyc@aol.com I am interested. Give me the details on completion of the deal. Thanks John Recine -----Original Message----- Sent: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:00:07 EDT --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Have the set (4) of Bengelis books and will probably never open any again. $40 plus UPS if anyone is interested. Corky ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:49 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on Barnstormers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright For anyone who is looking to buy a Piet, there is one listed at Barnstormers for $6000. It's in Kansas. I'm not interested, but someone on the list may be. The ad states: PIETENPOL * $6,000 * LIGHT-SPORT AIRCRAFT FOR SALE! * June annual continental 65 400 hours, new eyebrows, senchese prop, push to talk buttons, built in antenna, Honda wheels with brakes, covers for both cockpits, Needs a New Home. 785-364-2209. * Contact William E. McNicholas - located Holton, KS USA * Telephone: 785-364-2209 * Posted May 8, 2006 And the seller sent the following additional information: It was built 1969 A guy in Ind it appears to be a Piet There is no damage history Oct 05 Stored in a hanger.Anual was done in June 95 The only thing I see is that the wings need covered, not because there bad but the fabric is not very neet looking, an it is the origeinal. I havenever started it because I am not able to get in it. There are photos with the ad that appear to be 'vintage'. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:37 AM PST US From: Dog67@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gap Seals/Prop --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dog67@aol.com Just my 2 cents on VG's. I have a Glastar and recently added VG's under the tail and it made a world of difference. _WWW.Landshorter.com_ (http://www.Landshorter.com) is a place in Idaho that has a good reputation and has done a fair amount of testing with their VG's. I've been very happy with the performance and their customer service. 95$ for 100 VG's and the templates and info, etc. Very reasonable. Cheers Jon Apfelbaum ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:30 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: vortex generators --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" I found the best price on VG's was at www.landshorter.com I don't know if they're still around, nor have i tried them yet, but I was impressed by the site and their guarantee. I plan to play around with them when the time comes. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:02 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materials Here is a copy of the Piet wood kit that AC sells, may help you a little. Does not include capstrip or plywood. The kit was $800 when I bought mine. The kit included everything I needed for a long fuselage Piet. Of course you will need some extra pieces if you widen the fuselage as I did (2"). Rick H On 6/21/06, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: amsafetyc@aol.com > > Again, and not to beat a dead horse as far as the research part of this > project but I need to ask. Does anyone have a good bill of materials that > they would be willing to share? Something I can uses to do my cost estimates > with, and locate vendors. It doesn't matter about the format, just something > that will tell me how much of each size and type material I need in wood > and metal, now especially the metal part as I may be close to the metal > acquisition phase as soon as tomorrow afternoon. I realize its rather short > notice, but I figured with the collective wisdom of the group and the > opportunity presenting itself to get metal in the next day or two I would at > least ask. > > Any basic listing would be helpful, naturally the more detail the better. > If ya got anything that's close you are willing to share it would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks > > John > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:37:03 -0400 > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy < > Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > A note of observation here is that the GN-1 design uses opposing eye bolts > to attach control > > surfaces and the gaps are quite large compared with the Pietenpol design. > > Both designs need some sort of aileron seals but the Piet gaps in the > tailfeathers are nothing to > > fuss about.....the GN-1 is another story. > > Mike C. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/9dc5359cb7cd74cb90dc90335789231f3b3158e6.GIF ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:55 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Books --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, Have been overwhelmed with Pieters wanting the Bingelis books. Wish I had enough for all but the first mail was from Ronnie in Mena, Ark who I notified that they were his if desired. The only reason I have them as Tim said he had a set when I sold him 311CC so I kept them Corky I think this is the last of my Piet and aircraft materials ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:19 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: vortex generators --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" You're probably not going to find a better price for engineered and tested vortex generators than those made and sold by EAA'er Joa Harrison and his lovely wife... see info at http://www.landshorter.com/. These are injection molded, clear plastic VGs. Joa is a bush country type of guy, lives in Idaho, works for Quest Aircraft, the company that makes the Kodiak STOL aircraft. I have two sets of Joa's VGs for eventual installation and testing on 41CC, but I want to fly it without them for a while to get baseline performance data. Then one set will go on the top of the wing and another on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer, per Joa's instructions. For you guys who like to "roll your own", there is a very detailed description on how to make and install your own (made from aluminum), at http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly18.html ... you can page down through his excellent description of how to make your own. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:04 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airplane assemblers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" I totally agree also Dan. This newsgroup really makes a difference though. You really have to give credit to those 'pioneers' that built Piets back in the old days before the Internet, Bingelis books, the EAA and possibly not contact with any other Piet builders. Rick H. On 6/21/06, HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: HelsperSew@aol.com > > I couldn't imagine myself just "putting part "A" in slot "B". It would > bore > me to death. I need to exercise my brain, laying awake at night drawing > imaginary parts in my mind's eye. That is the beauty and fun of the > Piet. > Bernard actually did us a huge favor when he left a lot of stuff out of > the plans > (even though I have been cussing him of late after I scrapped my second > set > of straight axle landing gear struts and fittings). > > Dan Helsper > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:17 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ah goodie ! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rick Holland" Ditto for me Chuck. Will trade beer (or whatever else you Jayhawkers drink around the camp fire) for some front seat time. Have never flown in a Piet. Rick H On 6/21/06, Jack T. Textor wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" < > jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> > > Chuck, please put my name on a build video, ride too! > Thanks, > > Jack Textor > Driving from Des Moines > > > Yes, of course I'll be there. I'll have a handful of my DVD video's > with > me, and maybe even some of the 'Building NX770CG' video. This is the > fourth > summer in a row to Brodhead for me. I'm probably going to arrive on > Thursday, > and from Brodhead (Saturday or Sunday) I'm heading west to South Dakota > to > the Badlands, Mount Rushmore, Chief Crazy Horse, Sturges and Wall Drug. > I'm > trying to persuade Sterling B. to accompany me on this leg, in his spam > can. > I'm going to try something new this year for my passengers. I now > have a > working intercom, and I'm going to install the controls in the front > pit. > This will give folks some hands on experience with how she handles. > Anyone > wanna give 'er a try ??? Ya just gotta promise you won't kill me... > > Chuck Gantzer > Wichita, KS > NX770CG > http://nx770cg.com/ > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:21 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a comment on brakes --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Corky, you make a good point about the O-rings in the master cylinders, but they really looked good as-is and even if I have problems with them, they are far easier to service than the wheel cylinder ones. One thing I did find out, that the rest of the world must be aware of but I wasn't, is that up in the master cylinder plungers there is an adjusting nut on the underside that is used to set the gap that allows fluid from the reservoir down into the hydraulic loop, and that it is pretty important to set that gap properly or else you either get reduced braking efficiency or more pedal drop as the pads wear. I was reading about brakes in AOPA Pilot (Feb. issue, I think) and there it was... .040" clearance, if I remember correctly. I think I just mindlessly twiddled with the adjustment nuts on my masters when I assembled them and now I need to pull them and set that gap properly. Since I haven't filled them with fluid yet, it's not a problem to do it. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:43 AM PST US From: Tim Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Instructors? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Does anyone out there know of a flight instructor in the Sarasota Fl. area that would be interested in instructing me in my Pietenpol? Thanks Tim ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:08 AM PST US From: "The Schuerrs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Buzz --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "The Schuerrs" Jon, is that invite open to any Steve? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:04 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dog67@aol.com > > Steve - I have an empty seat in a glastar, if you want a ride to > Brodhead. > Just have to leave earlier that week :) > > Cheers > jon apfelbaum > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:51 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Any Instructors? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Ted Brousseau is in Naples....and he's a TW instructor, has a Part Piet he calls it, Part Piet, Part Grega. Mike C. At 12:52 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim > >Does anyone out there know of a flight instructor in the Sarasota Fl. area >that would be interested in instructing me in my Pietenpol? >Thanks Tim > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:47 PM PST US From: Matt Keyes Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 43 Msgs - 06/21/06 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Keyes I'll be at Brodhead this year with my wife and if any of you flyers are gracious enough, would like to get her into one so she will let me go ahead with building one (she thinks closed cockpit planes are better, but has been up in Quicksilver trainers before.) For that matter, I wouldn't mind a ride myself. Have a set of plans from Don Pietenpol, my grandmother was his Sunday school teacher in Wykoff, MN and my Grandpa knew Bernard when he was alive. He helped move the Piet hangar (the one not at Oshkosh) to its current location at the Fountain, MN museum. Matt Keyes Richland Center, WI --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:22 PM PST US From: Dog67@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Buzz --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dog67@aol.com I suppose :) Altho I was thinking of Steve E in Utah, since that is where the flight will be originating from. Cheers Jon ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:10 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Head Ford A --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: HelsperSew@aol.com Help!! Who is the guy who sells the dual ignition aluminum cylinder head for the Ford A engine and how can I contact him? Dan Helsper ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:38 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ah goodie ! In a message dated 6/22/2006 8:54:31 AM Central Standard Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: Ditto for me Chuck. Will trade beer (or whatever else you Jayhawkers drink around the camp fire) for some front seat time. Have never flown in a Piet. Rick H Sure think, Rick. I like Guiness, but I'm not a Jayhawk...I'm a W Va Mountaineer !! See ya at Brodhead !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:43 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Head Ford A In a message dated 6/22/2006 11:31:20 PM Central Standard Time, HelsperSew@aol.com writes: Help!! Who is the guy who sells the dual ignition aluminum cylinder head for the Ford A engine and how can I contact him? Dan Helsper Dan, Try Dan Price 7320 Sunbury Road Delaware County Wresterville, Oh.43082 (614) 891-2882. Send a sase. for his info. He offers 3 different heads. Stock looking 6to1, duel plug 6to1 and a finned 7to 1. Chuck G. NX770CG