---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/24/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Fish fries, newsletters, etc (TBYH@aol.com) 2. 05:52 AM - newsletter (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 05:53 AM - grant maclaren contact info (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Piet Newsletter (Roman Bukolt) 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Fish fries, newsletters, etc (Kip and Beth Gardner) 6. 09:01 AM - Re: Piet Newsletter (Kip and Beth Gardner) 7. 10:37 AM - Re: Jayhawk, Mountaineer----not, CHEESE HEADS ! (D.Reid) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: lady passengers (KMHeide) 9. 01:27 PM - Re: Fish fries, newsletters, etc (Mike Volckmann) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:22 AM PST US From: TBYH@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish fries, newsletters, etc Yep, fish fries are very popular on Friday nights around Wisconsin. In fact, I missed my weekly dose last night (had a chicken sandwich instead as I'm trying to lose some tonnage and make the Piet fly well when she's finished!) and so I'm suffering with a little withdrawal this morning. I still maintain that Grant McLAren doesn't own the copyright to the old BPA newsletters -- as the editor he was working for the BPA. The dues paying members paid for the newsletter and therefore if anyone owns the copyright it is they, especially if Grant was reimbursed for the printing costs, etc. That said, I'd be willing to contribute articles/photos for a new newsletter...of course, my Piet isn't flying yet, so don't know how much material I can contribute... Guinness -- reminds me of the story about the brew masters convention. All the brew masters from around the world were there and after a hard day of seminars and workshops they all gathered for happy hour in the local watering hole. The barkeep asked the fellow from Miller what he'd like to drink. He replied, "Miller High Life, of course! The champagne of bottled beers!" The barkeep turned to Bud guy and asked for his request. "I'll have a Bud -- the King of Beers!" And the guy from La Crosse's City Brewing asked for a La Crosse City Lager. In turn each brew master asked for a bottle of their own beer. Turning to the Guinness brew master the barkeep asked, "What'll you have?" The Guinness man said, "I'll have an ice-cold Coca-Cola." The other brew masters about choked and asked the Guinness man what the heck was wrong, to which the Guinness man sneered, "Well, when you all decide to order beer, I'll order beer!" Regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:00 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: newsletter Thanks everyone for their congrats on my pilot's license! got it in a Cessna (sorry!) but am now working on my tailwheel endorsement in a cub. Regarding a possible newsletter, here are my thoughts. Please respond or contact me with your thoughts and if you are interested in seriously helping. I think that a "marque" of airplane or car benefits greatly from a good newsletter. It helps develop a hardcore following and allows them to communicate, learn from eachother and develops a sense of comraderie within the following. I think the Piet benefited greatly from the wonderful newsletter of the eighties and nineties. The Brodhead newsletter seems to have petered out. It was very nice, but the last few years have been very light in terms of content and interest. This seems to be the pitfall of these volunteer newsletters however. The idea sounds good, lots of people offer to help, and then the enthusiasm runs out leaving a few "doers" to slog through with their commitment. Maybe some of those guys would be willing to share their experiences. We have a wonderful offer from John Hofmann (ck out the incredible Travel Air newsletter he does!) to put one together. So I'm thinking, what if we got together a "core" group of people who have the time and energy to make a commitment to something like this, and talk about getting a newsletter together. If we only tried for three a year, this would make the workload relatively spread out, and would make them bigger, more interesting reading. We could write articles, get others to do so, track down piet owners/builders/flyers and get their stories and photos. I would be willing to participate for one. I can write, and get others to contribute and will commit to stick with it to keep the Piet alive and well. thoughts? Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:03 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: grant maclaren contact info Can someone get me Grant MacClaren's contact info? Regardless of past experiences, I'd like to contact him to at least get his advice on what it takes to run a good newsletter. He certainly did a great one for a long time. Thanks, Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:31 AM PST US From: "Roman Bukolt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Newsletter Hey! Are ANY of you guys aware of the BRODHEAD PIETENPOL ASSOCIATION Newsletter published four times per year? Good articles, news from builder's, construction tips, ads for parts or planes for sale, and a lot of good stories. $16.00/yr. Broodhead Pietenpol Association c/o The Independent Register P.O. Box 255 Brodhead, WI. 53520-0255 Roman Bukolt, Corvair Piet in process ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:48 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish fries, newsletters, etc I agree with Fred on the copyright thing. I have a set of the old newsletters & nowhere in any of them does it state that the material is copyrighted. There is a statement that the newsletter is intended for BPA members only, but what's to prevent a member form copying & distributing material if he/she sees fit? - nothing so far as I can see. I think Grant is blowing smoke - if he's not, then he should produce proof of the copyright, not just threaten people. Even if he did have a copyright, it would only be for those issues he edited - Frank Pavliga & his Dad did all the early BPA newsletters & Frank has never said one word regarding his belief that he has ownership or non-ownership of that material. Right now, I'm pretty much out of the loop of aviation - I'm simultaneously looking for a new job, buying a 46-acre farm near Wooster, OH with several partners, and running a market garden out of my back yard on the side, so life is pretty hectic. I did get a little work done on the Corvair engine this spring, but that's all. The EAA Chapter 82 Corvair Wings & Wheels Fly-In was a sucess despite the fact tha William Wynne decided not to come & the weather prevent all but a couple of planes from coming. However, Bill clapp showed up wirth his KR-2S & did a great job of demonstrating its capabilities. We also had nearly 20 cars show up from as far away as Detroit and Eastern PA, including a truly cool, beautifully maintained, Corvair-powered Porsch ("Porschair"). Most importantly, everyone who came had a good time. If things settle down on the job hunt & farm purchase deal I might try to hitch a ride to Brodhead with somebody - otherwise, I'll have to sit this year out. Cheers, Kip Gardner > I still maintain that Grant McLAren doesn't own the copyright to >the old BPA newsletters -- as the editor he was working for the BPA. >The dues paying members paid for the newsletter and therefore if >anyone owns the copyright it is they, especially if Grant was >reimbursed for the printing costs, etc. That said, I'd be willing to >contribute articles/photos for a new newsletter...of course, my Piet >isn't flying yet, so don't know how much material I can contribute... Regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:31 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Newsletter Romman, Yep, a lot of us are. I subscribed for 4+ yrs. & it was OK, but I felt it was lacking in "meat" as it were. I understand the reasons for that & several people have made comments about how hard it is to keep something like that going at a level that's attractive to a wide audience. At this point, I think I have access to much more than enough informatiton to get my project done & it's more important to put my focus on making time to work on it than on reading newsletters & such. Not to say that the BPA newsletter doesn't have value, just not my current need or want. Kip Gardner At 9:50 AM -0500 6/24/06, Roman Bukolt wrote: >Hey! >Are ANY of you guys aware of the BRODHEAD PIETENPOL ASSOCIATION >Newsletter published four times per year? >Good articles, news from builder's, construction tips, ads for parts >or planes for sale, and a lot of good stories. > >$16.00/yr. > >Broodhead Pietenpol Association >c/o The Independent Register >P.O. Box 255 >Brodhead, WI. 53520-0255 > >Roman Bukolt, Corvair Piet in process -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:36 AM PST US From: "D.Reid" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jayhawk, Mountaineer----not, CHEESE HEADS ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jayhawk, Mountaineer----not, CHEESE HEADS ! Back in '02 Isabelle and I lunched at a local Brodhead cafe. I selected a local beer, either brewed in Brodhead or near vicinity, and I want to recommend it highly from someone who has been sipping suds since prohibition times. Hell of a lot more body and taste than Miller Lite and others. The old sot in Louisiana I agree Corky. If I want a good "cleaning out" I just have one bottle of a Miller product. Doesnt matter what it is as long as it says Miller somewhere on the label. Just a few sips and I'm good to "go" for days! Problem is I cant go anywhere beyond sprinting distance to a restroom. Dave...(on the "run") down in Florida ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:31 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers Hey Greg try this.............tee-hee-hee You have a huge amount of redundant tissue to cram into my front seat. Get lost! You have an anterior bulge to great to keep my nose of the Airplane in the air! Is that cranial rectal inversion or are you pregnant? Either way, you are not going to fit in my front seat! Lastly and my favorite....How do you expect me to cram a sack of potatoes into a cup? Ain't happenen............ Sincerely, Midwest poet gcardinal wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" Which begs the question: How do you politely and delicately decline the request of a ride from someone who is on the "portly" side without sounding like a pompous jerk? Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:51 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Ah yes, Oscar----tis not only appealing but prudent during high density > operations with somewhat marginally > > powered airplanes to seek out the thinner willing passengers at a fly-in, > not the big heavy beer-belly guys (like me) > > who always seem to gravitate to an airplane that was originally designed > to carry people of smaller stature from the > > depression era. My choice of passengers is clearly one that takes into > account safety first: beauty and appeal of > > those passengers does happen to be a spin-off most times tho ! > > Mike C. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:10 PM PST US From: Mike Volckmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish fries, newsletters, etc Kip, With United States law there does not have to be any notice of copyright. The copy right is automatically granted the creator of the document and remains his until he sells or gives it to someone else. mike ----- Original Message ---- Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:58:49 AM I agree with Fred on the copyright thing. I have a set of the old newsletters & nowhere in any of them does it state that the material is copyrighted. There is a statement that the newsletter is intended for BPA members only, but what's to prevent a member form copying & distributing material if he/she sees fit? - nothing so far as I can see. I think Grant is blowing smoke - if he's not, then he should produce proof of the copyright, not just threaten people. Even if he did have a copyright, it would only be for those issues he edited - Frank Pavliga & his Dad did all the early BPA newsletters & Frank has never said one word regarding his belief that he has ownership or non-ownership of that material. Right now, I'm pretty much out of the loop of aviation - I'm simultaneously looking for a new job, buying a 46-acre farm near Wooster, OH with several partners, and running a market garden out of my back yard on the side, so life is pretty hectic. I did get a little work done on the Corvair engine this spring, but that's all. The EAA Chapter 82 Corvair Wings & Wheels Fly-In was a sucess despite the fact tha William Wynne decided not to come & the weather prevent all but a couple of planes from coming. However, Bill clapp showed up wirth his KR-2S & did a great job of demonstrating its capabilities. We also had nearly 20 cars show up from as far away as Detroit and Eastern PA, including a truly cool, beautifully maintained, Corvair-powered Porsch ("Porschair"). Most importantly, everyone who came had a good time. If things settle down on the job hunt & farm purchase deal I might try to hitch a ride to Brodhead with somebody - otherwise, I'll have to sit this year out. Cheers, Kip Gardner I still maintain that Grant McLAren doesn't own the copyright to the old BPA newsletters -- as the editor he was working for the BPA. The dues paying members paid for the newsletter and therefore if anyone owns the copyright it is they, especially if Grant was reimbursed for the printing costs, etc. That said, I'd be willing to contribute articles/photos for a new newsletter...of course, my Piet isn't flying yet, so don't know how much material I can contribute... Regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI -- North Canton, OH