---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/25/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:05 AM - BPA newsletter (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: lady passengers (gcardinal) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: Copyright Law (flywrite@hughes.net) 4. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Copyright Law (Kip and Beth Gardner) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: lady passengers (Steve Glass) 6. 07:52 AM - Re: lady passengers (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Copyright Law (Mark Blackwell) 8. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Copyright Law (Jeff Boatright) 9. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Copyright Law (Doyle Combs) 10. 06:33 PM - dye for dope (Douwe Blumberg) 11. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Copyright Law (Mark Blackwell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:58 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletter Roman, I subscribe to the BPA newsletter too, and have enjoyed it... to a point. As I mentioned in my emails, the substance and regularity seemed to trail off a couple years ago to the point where I was occassionally getting a two or four page newsletter with very little of interest. I respect anyone who has the gumption to get up and freely "do" something like this and my hat is off to them. It does seem however, that they need help or to pass the baton. I'll try to contact them for a status update and pick their brains. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:44 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers I don't think I would win may friends with these suggestions......... Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers Hey Greg try this.............tee-hee-hee 1.. You have a huge amount of redundant tissue to cram into my front seat. Get lost! 2.. You have an anterior bulge to great to keep my nose of the Airplane in the air! 3.. Is that cranial rectal inversion or are you pregnant? Either way, you are not going to fit in my front seat! 4.. Lastly and my favorite....How do you expect me to cram a sack of potatoes into a cup? Ain't happenen............ Sincerely, Midwest poet gcardinal wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" Which begs the question: How do you politely and delicately decline the request of a ride from someone who is on the "portly" side without sounding like a pompous jerk? Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:51 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > Ah yes, Oscar----tis not only appealing but prudent during high density > operations with somewhat marginally > > powered airplanes to seek out the thinner willing passengers at a fly-in, > not the big heavy beer-belly guys (like me) > > who always seem to gravitate to an airplane that was originally designed > to carry people of smaller stature from the > > depression era. My choice of passengers is clearly one that takes into > account safety first: beauty and appeal of > > those passengers does happen to be a spin-off most times tho ! > > Mike C. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:55 AM PST US From: "flywrite@hughes.net" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Copyright Law --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "flywrite@hughes.net" As a magazine publisher with some experience with copyrights, I believe someone has misinformed Mike Volckermann about copyright law. The U.S. Patent and Copyright Office (www.uspto.gov) does not automatically issue a copyright, nor does any other agency do so. Indeed, a copyright can be issued only after the applicant has filed an application, paid the requisite fee, and the application referred to an examiner. If the examiner finds the application acceptable in its own right, and does not infringe upon any other copyright, a certificate of copyright can be issued. No one can claim that anything is, or has been, copyrighted unless a certificate has been issued to cover the specific material for which the copyright is claimed. However, if an applicaton has been filed, the claimant can use the term "Copyright applied for" to alert would-be users of the material to the danger of copyright violation/prosecution. This has nothing to do per se with the Broadhead newsletter. However, if the claim is being made that any or all of the newsletters are covered by a copyright, then an unexpired (or renewed) USPTO copyright document to that effect would settle the matter once and for all. In the absence of such a document, I believe a patent attorney would advise that the material is in the public domain. Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:19 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Copyright Law --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner Dick, Thanks for the clarification, I thought this was the case, having some friends who publish in the music business, but my personal experience is not there, so I could not authoratatively reply to Mike. So, my original question stands, does Grant McClaren hold a copyright for the old issues of the BPA newsletter that he edited or not? Where's the proof? I have heard that he has been quite belligerent towards anyone who has wanted to reprint material, but to my knowledge, he has not presented any proof to anyone that he holds such a copyright. As I said before, all of my old copies have absolutely no mention anywhere in them that the material is copyrighted or that a copyright has been applied for. In fact, I think that the fact that he put in a statement that the material is intended for BPA members leads me to believe that the material IS NOT copyrighted & that he put that statement there to try to cover his ass without going to the trouble of getting one, and perhaps as a C-H-A for liability as well. The reason that I'm making an issue of this is that there is a true wealth of information in those old issues & it should be available to the community, not hoarded by Grant as if he were some kind of troll guarding a treasure. Kip Gardner At 1:07 PM +0000 6/25/06, flywrite@hughes.net wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "flywrite@hughes.net" > > >As a magazine publisher with some experience with copyrights, I believe >someone has misinformed Mike Volckermann about copyright law. The U.S. >Patent and Copyright Office (www.uspto.gov) does not automatically >issue a copyright, nor does any other agency do so. Indeed, a copyright >can be issued only after the applicant has filed an application, paid >the requisite fee, and the application referred to an examiner. If the >examiner finds the application acceptable in its own right, and does >not infringe upon any other copyright, a certificate of copyright can >be issued. No one can claim that anything is, or has been, copyrighted >unless a certificate has been issued to cover the specific material for >which the copyright is claimed. However, if an applicaton has been >filed, the claimant can use the term "Copyright applied for" to alert >would-be users of the material to the danger of copyright >violation/prosecution. > >This has nothing to do per se with the Broadhead newsletter. However, >if the claim is being made that any or all of the newsletters are >covered by a copyright, then an unexpired (or renewed) USPTO copyright >document to that effect would settle the matter once and for all. >In the absence of such a document, I believe a patent attorney would >advise that the material is in the public domain. > >Dick Carden > > -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:24 AM PST US From: "Steve Glass" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" Perhaps a calibrated pole like the buses used to use above a line full fare. A belt or....... I think a lightweight bathroom scale in its own fitted compartment under the front seat. The dial modified to a politically correct with a green or red zone................or the electronically minded could modify a digital one to say .....you are accepted or the dreaded "too heavy tooo heavy tooooo heavy" perhaps even a ignition interlock to prevent trying..... Steve in Maine >From: "gcardinal" >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:03:05 -0500 > >I don't think I would win may friends with these suggestions......... > >Greg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KMHeide > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers > > > Hey Greg try this.............tee-hee-hee > > 1.. You have a huge amount of redundant tissue to cram into my front >seat. Get lost! > 2.. You have an anterior bulge to great to keep my nose of the >Airplane in the air! > 3.. Is that cranial rectal inversion or are you pregnant? Either way, >you are not going to fit in my front seat! > 4.. Lastly and my favorite....How do you expect me to cram a sack of >potatoes into a cup? Ain't happenen............ > Sincerely, > > Midwest poet > > gcardinal wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" > > Which begs the question: > > How do you politely and delicately decline the request of a ride from > someone who is on the "portly" side without sounding like a pompous >jerk? > > Greg C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:51 AM > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > > > > Ah yes, Oscar----tis not only appealing but prudent during high >density > > operations with somewhat marginally > > > > powered airplanes to seek out the thinner willing passengers at a >fly-in, > > not the big heavy beer-belly guys (like me) > > > > who always seem to gravitate to an airplane that was originally >designed > > to carry people of smaller stature from the > > > > depression era. My choice of passengers is clearly one that takes >into > > account safety first: beauty and appeal of > > > > those passengers does happen to be a spin-off most times tho ! > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:50 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lady passengers Do Not Archive Reading about these weighty female passengers brought to mind an old story: this husband failed to remember his wedding anniversary his lovin, affectunate wifie demanded that there be something in the driveway soon that would go from 0 to 200 in a few seconds. The next morning she looked out and saw a small package in the driveway. when she opened the box it contained a new bathroom scale. Word has it she may be up for parole in 2024 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:03 AM PST US From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Copyright Law --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" The government does not have to issue a copyright. Nothing must be filed with the copyright office for the work to be under copyright. Filing with the copyright office allows for increased penalities if infringed upon. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:07 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "flywrite@hughes.net" > > > As a magazine publisher with some experience with copyrights, I believe > someone has misinformed Mike Volckermann about copyright law. The U.S. > Patent and Copyright Office (www.uspto.gov) does not automatically > issue a copyright, nor does any other agency do so. Indeed, a copyright > can be issued only after the applicant has filed an application, paid > the requisite fee, and the application referred to an examiner. If the > examiner finds the application acceptable in its own right, and does > not infringe upon any other copyright, a certificate of copyright can > be issued. No one can claim that anything is, or has been, copyrighted > unless a certificate has been issued to cover the specific material for > which the copyright is claimed. However, if an applicaton has been > filed, the claimant can use the term "Copyright applied for" to alert > would-be users of the material to the danger of copyright > violation/prosecution. > > This has nothing to do per se with the Broadhead newsletter. However, > if the claim is being made that any or all of the newsletters are > covered by a copyright, then an unexpired (or renewed) USPTO copyright > document to that effect would settle the matter once and for all. > In the absence of such a document, I believe a patent attorney would > advise that the material is in the public domain. > > Dick Carden > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Copyright Law --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright Correct. http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" > >The government does not have to issue a copyright. Nothing must be >filed with the copyright office for the work to be under copyright. >Filing with the copyright office allows for increased penalities if >infringed upon. > -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Atlanta, GA 30322 Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision http://www.molvis.org/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:15 PM PST US From: "Doyle Combs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Copyright Law --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle Combs" This article makes it clear. It seems to me that there are enough experienced people on this net who could donate pictures and material to publish their own publication without arguing with someone who has produced material in the past. Mike, why don't you submit your drawings and other material that has already been posted on the net and in the archives. Just a thought. I have read some really great ideas pass through this net. Doyle Combs ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:24 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright > > Correct. > > http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html > > >>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" >> >> >>The government does not have to issue a copyright. Nothing must be filed >>with the copyright office for the work to be under copyright. Filing with >>the copyright office allows for increased penalities if infringed upon. >> > > -- > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Department of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Atlanta, GA 30322 > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > http://www.molvis.org/ > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:36 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: dye for dope Guys, (and gals?) I'm using the old fashioned butyrate dope system over my ceconite. I'm about ready to start spraying. The first coat must be nitrate dope as butyrate doesn't adhere to ceconite, whereas nitrate does. The problem is the only non tautening nitrate I could find was untinted, and I'd like a little tint to help with even coverage. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might work as a tint? is there any reason a little rit dye or food coloring wouldn't? (there's water in there) thanks, Douwe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:00 PM PST US From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Copyright Law --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" There is one thing though that might come up. Publishing an article in a mag doesn't necessarily give the copyright to the editor or publisher. It would depend on how the agreement was written. A publication may be given "one time use rights" which only allows the publication in that months issue. A magazine can claim a copyright for that issue, but may or may not hold the copyright for the work itself. The newsletter claiming copyright, in reality might not have it, but that wouldn't necessarily meant if fell into public domain either. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:24 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright > > Correct. > > http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html > > >>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Blackwell" >> >> >>The government does not have to issue a copyright. Nothing must be filed >>with the copyright office for the work to be under copyright. Filing with >>the copyright office allows for increased penalities if infringed upon. >> > > -- > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Department of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Atlanta, GA 30322 > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > http://www.molvis.org/ > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > >