Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 07/09/06


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:21 AM - Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Steve Glass)
     2. 03:23 AM - Re: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! ()
     3. 05:30 AM - Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings (kmordecai001@comcast.net)
     4. 06:55 AM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (pietflyr)
     5. 07:00 AM - Re: Continental A65 8F (pietflyr)
     6. 07:02 AM - Re: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
     7. 07:07 AM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Mike King)
     8. 07:10 AM - Re: Fuselage inclination (pietflyr)
     9. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings (Wizzard187@aol.com)
    10. 10:59 AM - Re: Wheel weight (John Smoyer)
    11. 12:22 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    12. 02:08 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Gordon Bowen)
    13. 02:24 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (bike.mike)
    14. 02:36 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Mike King)
    15. 03:06 PM - Re: Wheel weight (gcardinal)
    16. 03:34 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Jack T. Textor)
    17. 07:58 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Gene & Tammy)
    18. 08:00 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Gene & Tammy)
    19. 08:06 PM - Re: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance (Gene & Tammy)
    20. 08:11 PM - Re: Continental A65 8F (Gene & Tammy)
    21. 09:20 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Dick Navratil)
    22. 09:36 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Mike King)
    23. 11:51 PM - Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers (Gordon Bowen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:21:47 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
    Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com> Hey Harvey Your finally getting some new helicopters! Maybe the Boneventure 2 is next! Steve G >From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share >Available! >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:29:19 -0400 > >When I fly I usually like to listen to Danger Zone from the Tom Cruise >movie about hot shot fighters.I envision myself taking off from the deck >of an aircraft carrier and going after the bad guys.The only problem is >that as Canadians ,we don't have an aircraft carrier so it's a bit of a >stretch!I have Lewis machine gun fabricated out of light wood ready to >go onto the Piet when I get used to flying her so I'll be good and ready >to shoot down any incursion into our air space. > > >________________________________ > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom >Stinemetze >Sent: July 8, 2006 10:45 AM >Share Available! > > >GREAT Broadhead video and very appropriate music selection! > >I had quite a bit of difficulty getting my computer to play the movie >instead of trying to screen print the digital data. I did discover that >you can right click (Windows XP) on the .wmv link and choose "save link >as" in order to save the movie file to a local hard drive. At that >point the Windows Media Viewer showed it just fine. > > >Do not archive. > > >Tom Stinemetze > >The Airplane Nut > > >____ | ____ > \8/ > / \ > >


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    Time: 03:23:42 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca> I'm afraid thr Bonny is in moth balls now or maybe even razer blades! Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Glass Sent: July 9, 2006 5:19 AM Share Available! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com> Hey Harvey Your finally getting some new helicopters! Maybe the Boneventure 2 is next! Steve G >From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share >Available! >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:29:19 -0400 > >When I fly I usually like to listen to Danger Zone from the Tom Cruise >movie about hot shot fighters.I envision myself taking off from the deck >of an aircraft carrier and going after the bad guys.The only problem is >that as Canadians ,we don't have an aircraft carrier so it's a bit of a >stretch!I have Lewis machine gun fabricated out of light wood ready to >go onto the Piet when I get used to flying her so I'll be good and ready >to shoot down any incursion into our air space. > > >________________________________ > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom >Stinemetze >Sent: July 8, 2006 10:45 AM >Share Available! > > >GREAT Broadhead video and very appropriate music selection! > >I had quite a bit of difficulty getting my computer to play the movie >instead of trying to screen print the digital data. I did discover that >you can right click (Windows XP) on the .wmv link and choose "save link >as" in order to save the movie file to a local hard drive. At that >point the Windows Media Viewer showed it just fine. > > >Do not archive. > > >Tom Stinemetze > >The Airplane Nut > > >____ | ____ > \8/ > / \ > >


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    Time: 05:30:55 AM PST US
    From: kmordecai001@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings
    Thanks Ken, I'll give Capt. Woody a call Monday. Thanks also for the tool offer, but I won't make it to Broadhead this year :-(, but I can probably make whatever is needed to clearance the case. In other news, the rods are straight & round, cylinders/pistons/rockers are in excellent shape (only 60 hours on the new chrome cylinders, rings aren't quite seated yet), and the case has no cracks or pulled studs. I'm spending today cleaning up the nasty surface finish in the intake ports, elbows, and spider. Lot's of "low-hanging fruit" in there, maybe I'll pick up a few rpm on takeoff :-) 1940's castings sure were rough.......not removing any wall thickness as there's not much there in the first place, just removing the high spots. Thanks again! Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL Time: 05:48:25 AM PST US If you get Trade a plane and look for Captain Woody under cont engine parts he has .020 bearings. They are not cheap and the front main is alittle different than the orginals so you must modify the case just alittle. I made a tool to do it with. which I can bring to Broadhead. Ken Conrad in Long Grove Iowa. <html><body> <DIV>Thanks Ken,</DIV> <DIV>I'll give&nbsp;Capt. Woody a call&nbsp;Monday.&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>Thanks also for the tool offer, but I won't make it to Broadhead this year :-(, but I can probably make whatever is needed to clearance the case.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>In other news, the rods are straight &amp; round, cylinders/pistons/rockers are in excellent shape (only 60 hours on the new chrome cylinders, rings aren't quite seated yet), and the case has no cracks or pulled studs.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>I'm spending today cleaning up the nasty surface finish in the intake ports, elbows,&nbsp;and spider.&nbsp; Lot's of "low-hanging fruit" in there,&nbsp;maybe I'll&nbsp;pick up a few rpm on takeoff :-)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1940's castings sure were rough.......not removing any wall thickness as there's not much there in the first place, just removing the high spots.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks&nbsp;again!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Dave Mordecai</DIV> <DIV>Panacea, FL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Time: 05:48:25 AM PST US<BR>From: <A onclick="return doCompose(this);" href="http://mailcenter2.comcast.net/wmc/v/wm/44B0EEE00009D93400005E312200763692CECFCF070E0C0A0B9D010305?cmd=ComposeTo&amp;adr=Wizzard187%40aol%2Ecom&amp;sid=c0">Wizzard187@aol.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings?<BR><BR>If you get Trade a plane and look for Captain Woody under cont engine parts&nbsp; <BR>he has .020 bearings.&nbsp; They are not cheap and the front main is alittle&nbsp; <BR>different than the orginals so you must modify the case just&nbsp; alittle.&nbsp;&nbsp; I made<BR>a <BR>tool to do it with. which I can bring to&nbsp; Broadhead.<BR>Ken Conrad in Long Grove Iowa.<BR><BR></DIV></body></html>


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    Time: 06:55:53 AM PST US
    From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C.


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    Time: 07:00:45 AM PST US
    From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Continental A65 8F
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Gene, I ran mineral oil in mine until it stopped burning oil (indicating the rings had seated), which was about 10 hours. It never burned mich oil (new Millenium cylinders and new pistons and rings), but after 10 hours it quit burning it entirely so I changed the oil at that time and have run Aeroshell W100 (ashless dispersant) ever since. It tends to burn a quart about every 25 hours now. So far I have about 80 hours on it. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:09 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil before I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at 50 hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The continental manual doesn't say. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:45 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > Gene wrote- > >>I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >>works best for you? > > I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going > through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped > from my post in the archives: > >>it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is what >>is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >>who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. > > And you asked: > >>I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? > > NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of > the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > >


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    Time: 07:02:25 AM PST US
    From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
    Hi Gene, There are 3 different fuselage lengths I know of. 1934 Orrin Hoopman, (short), Corvair, (long) and the Flying and glider, (short-short). If we look at the 1934 fuselage as the norm at 13' 7", the F&g is 2" shorter at 13'5" and the Corvair is 9 3/8" longer at 14' 4 3/8". These measurements are firewall to rudder post. Again if we use the 1934 as norm; The F&g is 2" shorter in the first bay behind the firewall with all other bays the same as the 1934. It is also 1" bigger top longeron to bottom longeron at 25", both others are 24". It is 1 1/8 shorter at the firewall at 20 3/4", and 1/8" taller at the tailpost at 11". The Corvair is 2" longer in the first bay, 2" longer in the third bay(pilot pit), 2 1/2" longer 2nd to last bay and, 2 7/8" longer in the last bay(tailpost). The steel tube supplement that came with my 1934 plans shows its length at 13'5", the same as the F&g wood fuselage. Skip, Hales Landing WV (2WV3) ----- Original Message ----- I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? Gene N502R Tennessee


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    Time: 07:07:46 AM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ==========


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    Time: 07:10:00 AM PST US
    From: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Fuselage inclination
    Mine's about 13 degrees. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage inclination Hi Folks Can anybody tell me what their fuselage inclination angle is, while sitting on the ground? What is the "proper" angle. I will have the Jenny style gear with spoked wheels and a Ford A engine with what prop I do not know yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL


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    Time: 07:49:35 AM PST US
    From: Wizzard187@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Source for A-75 .020" under bearings
    Dave, I wish I had your cylinders. Mine are to the top limits and .015 over. Ken


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    Time: 10:59:16 AM PST US
    From: John Smoyer <mox499@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Wheel weight
    Greg: Does your Piet have brakes? If so, are they included in the 60 lbs? I just bought master cylinders, calipers and discs off of 2 junked 1975 Honda CB360 motor cycles. Don't know the weights yet. Any comments on motorcycle brakes for a Piet, based on your experience? Thanks for all your postings to the Matronics site, and good luck with your Piet. Best Regards, John Smoyer gcardinal <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> wrote: I didn't weigh each wheel individually but the complete undercarriage for NX18235 weighs 60 lbs. That includes gear legs, axle, spreader bars, bungee cords, wheels and tires, all bracing cables and turnbuckles. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI ---------------------------------


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    Time: 12:22:23 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120@mindspring.com writes: Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas Mike, I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see if you are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 02:08:51 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120@mindspring.com writes: Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas Mike, I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see if you are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 02:24:52 PM PST US
    From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Mike, A lighter prop will not make your nose be higher at cruise or any other given speed. The total lift of a wing at any speed, while straight and level, has to equal the total weight of the airplane plus any stabilizing aerodynamic downforce on the tail. Lift is a function of speed, air density, wing area, and angle of attack (relates to lift coefficient). If the airplane is lighter, as it would be with a lighter prop, your nose will be lower for any given speed because the wing can have a lower angle of attack to produce the lower necessary lift. What will change for your airplane is center of gravity. Without any other changes, your lighter prop means more forward stick pressure (or less aft pressure). Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. http://www.mat==================== ========================= =====p; Email List ; ========================= ========================= nbsp; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ========================= ================


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    Time: 02:36:19 PM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Chuck, I will definitely get a longer prop with a different pitch for better overall performance. I hope the change will not result in a greater "tail heavy" condition. I have instrumentation in both cockpits with brakes only in the aft compartment. I am also going to fill-in the gaps in the wings and tail section. With a change in prop and the addition of gap seals, the plane should fly better than ever before. Any thoughts on Gordon's new prop (walnut/maple scimitar) for my A-80? Comanche is not far from where I live. By the way, I just read Mike Hardaway's post and I am feeling better about the proposed change. Thanks Chuck, Mike and Gordon for the input. This IS a great list. Mike GN-1 77MK Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120@mindspring.com writes: Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas Mike, I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see if you are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:06:43 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Wheel weight
    John, Brakes were not installed. I think others on the list are more qualified to comment on motorcycle brakes. Brakes are definitely NOT needed for landings. They would be useful for taxiing / maneuvering on crowded aprons. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Smoyer To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Greg: Does your Piet have brakes? If so, are they included in the 60 lbs? I just bought master cylinders, calipers and discs off of 2 junked 1975 Honda CB360 motor cycles. Don't know the weights yet. Any comments on motorcycle brakes for a Piet, based on your experience? Thanks for all your postings to the Matronics site, and good luck with your Piet. Best Regards, John Smoyer gcardinal <gcardinal@mn.rr.com> wrote: I didn't weigh each wheel individually but the complete undercarriage for NX18235 weighs 60 lbs. That includes gear legs, axle, spreader bars, bungee cords, wheels and tires, all bracing cables and turnbuckles. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight Wondering what your wheels weigh, each -- those of you using motorcycle or the custom-built spoked wheels, with tires installed? (Yes, I'm working on the landing gear...) Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 03:34:43 PM PST US
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Subject: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Gordon, Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website? Thanks, Jack Textor I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files.


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    Time: 07:58:52 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Jack, I was looking around barnstormers.com for props and found the following. It may be what Gordon was speaking of. Jay Anderson CloudCars 325-356-2810 cloudcars@verizon.net This Pietenpol site is really outstanding! I've only had my plane a few weeks and already I have learned far more from this site than the previous owner or the builder could tell me. While looking for prop information I also contacted a Mr. Chad Wille at 641-322-4041. Wille has built a number of Pietenpols and builds props for a living. Sounds like he really knows his stuff on both Pietenpols and props. My Pietenpol with a continental A65 came with a 69X48 McCauley metal prop and as soon as I can afford it, I'm changing to a longer wood prop. Mr Wille recommends going to a 74X38 Wood prop. I would be interested in hearing form others if they have bought from Anderson or Wille and if in fact anyone flys behind a 74X38 wood prop on a continenal A 65. Thank you Gene N502R Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Gordon, Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website? Thanks, Jack Textor I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files.


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    Time: 08:00:51 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> Jack, Congratulatations on your marriage and thank you so very much for all of your help. Sincerely Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with > it, > and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. > > Jack Phillips > (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D > Cuy > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about > 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. > > My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I > think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. > > Mike C. > > >


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    Time: 08:06:04 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
    Skip, That was the info I was looking for. Very helpful. Thank you Gene N502R Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip-Cinda Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance Hi Gene, There are 3 different fuselage lengths I know of. 1934 Orrin Hoopman, (short), Corvair, (long) and the Flying and glider, (short-short). If we look at the 1934 fuselage as the norm at 13' 7", the F&g is 2" shorter at 13'5" and the Corvair is 9 3/8" longer at 14' 4 3/8". These measurements are firewall to rudder post. Again if we use the 1934 as norm; The F&g is 2" shorter in the first bay behind the firewall with all other bays the same as the 1934. It is also 1" bigger top longeron to bottom longeron at 25", both others are 24". It is 1 1/8 shorter at the firewall at 20 3/4", and 1/8" taller at the tailpost at 11". The Corvair is 2" longer in the first bay, 2" longer in the third bay(pilot pit), 2 1/2" longer 2nd to last bay and, 2 7/8" longer in the last bay(tailpost). The steel tube supplement that came with my 1934 plans shows its length at 13'5", the same as the F&g wood fuselage. Skip, Hales Landing WV (2WV3) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? Gene N502R Tennessee


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    Time: 08:11:41 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Continental A65 8F
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> Jack, Again thanks. I'm in the process of trying to get time to find my oil leak and as soon as I do I'm changing from Mineral oil to Aeroshell W100. I currently have just over 50 hours on the engine. Somehow sheet rocking a room is just not quite as much fun as flying a Pietenpol.. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:00 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Gene, > > I ran mineral oil in mine until it stopped burning oil (indicating the > rings > had seated), which was about 10 hours. It never burned mich oil (new > Millenium cylinders and new pistons and rings), but after 10 hours it quit > burning it entirely so I changed the oil at that time and have run > Aeroshell > W100 (ashless dispersant) ever since. It tends to burn a quart about > every > 25 hours now. So far I have about 80 hours on it. > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene & > Tammy > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:09 AM > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" > <zharvey@bellsouth.net> > > Anyone know for sure how many hours I should run straight mineral oil > before > I change over to Aeroshell W100, SAE50? One A&P suggested I do it now at > 50 > hours and another suggested I run mineral another 20 hours. The > continental > manual doesn't say. > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:45 AM > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" >> <taildrags@hotmail.com> >> >> Gene wrote- >> >>>I'm still using mineral oil to break in the engine. What motor oil >>>works best for you? >> >> I asked the same question some months ago, and to save you the time going >> through all the great responses I got, here's the bottom line, snipped >> from my post in the archives: >> >>>it was unanimous that the Aeroshell W100, SAE50 ashless dispersant is >>>what >>>is recommended. So let it be written... so let it be done! And to those >>>who asked, this is NOT for break-in duty. >> >> And you asked: >> >>>I'm also wondering what prop others have found to work best for them? >> >> NX41CC has a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. I believe you'll find that most of >> the people on this list flying with the A65 have a 72x42 prop. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 09:20:57 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Mike Before deciding on the change, bring your tail up to level and check your ground clearance. Make sure that you will still have 9" clearance. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. http://www.mat==================== ========================= =====p; Email List ; ========================= ========================= nbsp; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ========================= ================


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    Time: 09:36:52 PM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Dick, Good idea. I noticed before when the tail was on a pair of sawhorses, that the 69" prop had plenty of clearance between the tip and the ground, but will measure for a more accurate measurement. Thanks again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Mike Before deciding on the change, bring your tail up to level and check your ground clearance. Make sure that you will still have 9" clearance. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Guys, I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal prop to a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....however the metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend to offset the weight difference and drop the nose. Thanks for the thoughts. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: pietflyr To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pietflyr" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it, and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated. Jack Phillips (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper. My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken. Mike C. http://www.mat==================== ========================= =====p; Email List ; ========================= ========================= nbsp; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ========================= ================


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    Time: 11:51:04 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers
    Jack, I can't find the original website, but did find Gary via his adv in Barnstormers. He had some nice pics of various props he's made on the website. Did right by me with my prop. Due to back orders, he didn't want to do the final sanding and varnishing and the price he quoted was low due to this, lead time was also short. But when he was about 2 weeks late on del., he called and said he had a problem with a small defect in the finish. It was a tiny pitch pocket you wouldn't know it was there unless you looked real close. He asked if I'd take the prop as is with minor defect and he'd quickly sand and varnish for free. Otherwise he was going to cut me another prop. His prices reflect either finished or not. Cheapest is right off of his duplicator, think I paid $325 with shipping, 2+years ago. The prop works and looks great. Coupled with the 112 hp currently getting out of freshly new jugged o-235, it's off the ground very fast and climbs like an elevator. Heavier engine offsets my fat carcass nicely for CG. But with lighter pilot tiny changes in power significantly changes the pitch angle of the nose, kinda like the C-182 does with it's heavy engine. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers Gordon, Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website? Thanks, Jack Textor I put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by: Gary Anderson Commanche TX 325-357-2810 inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it. Gordon Pics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files.




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